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A podcast about careers, detours, and the absurdity of work. Host Kristin Gardner talks with guests about the twists, pivots, and tiny choices that shape our lives. With humor, feminism, and honesty, Everything Counts (but nothing is real) reminds us that even when nothing makes sense, everything we do counts.
- 39 - Carol Jean: Pull the first brick.
In this episode, Kristin sits down with her mother-in-law, Carol Jean (she/her), to talk about what happens when the life you were taught to build stops making sense. Carol shares how raising her children challenged the deeply held beliefs she grew up with, setting off a years-long process of questioning, unlearning, and rebuilding her life on her own terms. She also reflects on spending more than 30 years as a dental hygienist before returning to college at 50, discovering a love of learning...
Wed, 26 Aug 2026 - 38 - Robin: Choose your own family.
In this episode, Kristin sits down with longtime fundraiser, educator, and first-time author Robin (she/her) to talk about writing the story she carried for decades. As Robin prepares to publish her forthcoming memoir, Living with Strangers: Healing a Wounded Heart in a Distant Land, she reflects on growing up in foster care, finding belonging in a remote village in Kenya, and building a life rooted in purpose. Together they explore resilience, chosen family, and the courage to keep reinventi...
Wed, 19 Aug 2026 - 37 - Kenzie: Recruiting demystified?
In this episode, Kristin welcomes back her sister Kenzie (she/her)—a longtime corporate recruiter and aspiring employment lawyer—for an honest conversation about what really happens behind the scenes of hiring. From AI interviews and ghost jobs to recruiter psychology and hiring manager indecision, they unpack why the job search feels so broken right now while offering practical advice to help candidates navigate it with a little more confidence. Along the way, they remind us that behind ever...
Wed, 12 Aug 2026 - 36 - Amy: Go outside.
In this episode, Kristin speaks with entrepreneur, publicist, and author Amy Summers (she/her) about building a career through curiosity rather than certainty. From getting fired and unexpectedly launching her own business to experimenting with new technology long before it was mainstream, Amy shares why meaningful careers are often built one small experiment at a time. And why sometimes the best next step is simply to unplug, go outside, and make space for what's next. How to get in to...
Wed, 05 Aug 2026 - 35 - Jaclyn: Don't let work have all the fun.
In this episode, Kristin sits down with her close friend, Jaclyn (she/her), to explore what it looks like to build a life that's bigger than your career. Together they reflect on toxic workplaces, unexpected pivots, endurance sports, side hustles, and the surprising ways our passions can come back around when we make room for them. If you've ever felt pulled in more than one direction, this conversation is a reminder that you don't have to choose just one version of yourself. How to get in to...
Wed, 29 Jul 2026 - 34 - Donna: Trust the direction, not the title.
In this episode, Kristin speaks with certified olive oil sommelier and entrepreneur Donna (she/her) about building a career that didn't always have a clear roadmap. From food magazines and test kitchens to appliance companies and eventually launching her own artisan olive oil business, Donna reflects on following a lifelong love of food while allowing her career to evolve alongside her life. Together they explore expertise, reinvention, grief, family, and why sometimes the most meaningful car...
Wed, 22 Jul 2026 - 33 - Tiffanie: Push for more.
In this episode, Kristin speaks with entrepreneur, coach, and speaker Tiffanie (she/her) about what it means to rebuild your life when the version you've been living no longer fits. From leaving a religion and an early marriage to walking away from a successful corporate career and advocating for herself through a breast cancer diagnosis, Tiffanie shares how each turning point became an opportunity to redefine success on her own terms. Together, Kristin and Tiffanie explore identity, self-tru...
Wed, 08 Jul 2026 - 32 - Carol: Take the best next step.
In this episode, Kristin speaks with leadership speaker, executive mentor, and author Carol (she/her) about what it means to redefine success before it costs us too much. Carol shares her nonlinear career journey from corporate leadership to entrepreneurship and back again, reflecting on the personal experiences that forced her to rebalance her life along the way. Together, Kristin and Carol explore the pressure to live according to other people's expectations, the hidden cost of always appea...
Wed, 01 Jul 2026 - 31 - Lin: Find alignment.
In this episode, Kristin speaks with mindset trainer and entrepreneur Lin Yuan-Su (she/her) about ambition, reinvention, and learning to trust yourself when something no longer fits. Lin shares her journey from growing up in China to becoming the first international student licensed as a registered dietitian in Ontario, only to realize within weeks of starting her career that it wasn't the path she wanted for the rest of her life. She reflects on the pressure to achieve, the parking lot break...
Wed, 24 Jun 2026 - 30 - Kathleen: Challenge yourself.
In this episode, Kathleen (she/her) reflects on a career full of challenges she wasn't entirely sure she wanted, and somehow excelled at anyway. From becoming a nurse despite initially deciding she didn't want to be one, to earning dual master's degrees, moving across the country, leading healthcare teams, and completing a doctorate while raising a family, she has developed a remarkable habit of doing hard things. We talk about patient care, public health, leadership, burnout, and the realiti...
Wed, 17 Jun 2026 - 29 - Zolal: We can and we must.
In this season three premiere, Kristin sits down with Iranian human rights activist Zolal (she/her), whose life has been shaped by a decades-long fight for freedom, democracy, and women's rights in Iran. Zolal shares the story of growing up in a family of activists, losing her father to political violence as a child, and dedicating more than two decades of her own life to the Iranian resistance movement. Along the way, she reflects on resilience, women's leadership, and what it means to stay ...
Wed, 10 Jun 2026 - 28 - Advice: Figure out how to hack yourself.
In this episode, we’re closing out Season 2 with our signature advice episode, but with a twist. No listener questions this time. Instead, Kristin and Loren reflect on what’s actually been working lately, from rethinking how we structure our time to reducing decision fatigue and figuring out how to “hack” ourselves in ways that make life feel lighter. Along the way, they break down workplace behaviors (it’s cool or straight to corporate jail), assign chaotic coworker energy to Real Housewives...
Wed, 13 May 2026 - 27 - Liz: Lift as you climb.
In this episode, Kristin sits down with Liz (she/her), Global Co-Head of Brand Consulting at CAA, to talk about building a career that doesn’t follow a straight line and why that might be the point. From studying sociology and planning to become a social worker, to working a string of unexpected jobs, to eventually leading a global team connecting brands to culture, Liz’s path is a reminder that the most meaningful careers are shaped in ways we couldn’t have predicted. They talk about the imp...
Wed, 06 May 2026 - 26 - Nicole: Rethink ambition.
In this episode, Kristin talks with Nicole (she/her)—a literature PhD, high school teacher, and maker—about what happens when the life you worked toward doesn’t turn out the way you expected. From growing up in a working-class family where work was about survival, to navigating academia, nonprofits, and ultimately finding her way to teaching, Nicole shares a deeply honest look at ambition, burnout, and redefining success on your own terms. Together, they explore what it means to step off the ...
Wed, 29 Apr 2026 - 25 - Lauren: Stop waiting to be heard.
In this episode, Kristin talks with Lauren (she/her), founder of Hormonally, a nonprofit focused on hormone health education and access. Lauren shares how her work challenges a common assumption: that education alone leads to better health outcomes. In reality, many people still struggle to be heard, often leaving medical spaces feeling dismissed or unsupported. Together, they explore what it actually means to advocate for yourself especially when the system makes that difficult. From “care-s...
Wed, 22 Apr 2026 - 24 - Megan: Get your shit together.
In this episode, Kristin sits down with Megan (she/her), a senior accounting leader whose career has been shaped as much by intuition as it has by strategy. From her degree in fashion merchandising to navigating Big Four accounting and beyond, Megan shares how she’s built a career that blends structure, creativity, and strong instincts. They talk about what it really means to feel off track, the evolution from self-doubt to self-trust, and the importance of finding the right people and enviro...
Wed, 15 Apr 2026 - 23 - Nichole: Don't fear the unknown.
In this episode, Kristin sits down with Nichole (she/her), founder of Success on the Spectrum—the first autism treatment franchise in the U.S.—to talk about building a business that truly changes lives. What began as a personal mission to support her daughter grew into a nationwide network serving thousands of families, after Nichole saw firsthand how few spaces existed for children with autism to truly belong. Together, they explore the intersection of purpose and profit, and what it means t...
Wed, 08 Apr 2026 - 22 - Vera: Why not?
In this episode, Kristin reconnects with Vera (she/her), a public sector professional working in the Dutch national government, to explore a career that took shape slowly and unexpectedly over time. From moving to the U.S. after college and taking on a series of “random” jobs to returning to school and ultimately finding purpose in public service, Vera shares how her path came together in hindsight even when it didn’t make sense in the moment. Together, they unpack the realities of gove...
Wed, 01 Apr 2026 - 21 - Susan: Trust what your body knows.
In this episode, Kristin talks with Susan (she/her) who spent years building a successful career in the legal world before realizing that being good at something is not the same as feeling aligned with it. Together they explore the path from paralegal to massage therapist, what it meant to choose a more embodied and values-driven life, and how self-employment changed her relationship to work, stability, and success. Together, they talk about right livelihood, the surprising ways stress lives ...
Wed, 25 Mar 2026 - 20 - Brielle: You can have many lives.
In this episode, Kristin sits down with Brielle (she, her), one of the first friends she made after moving to New York City and someone whose career has always been marked by a rare sense of intentionality. Brielle works in corporate social impact, helping large organizations connect their resources to nonprofit partners and community needs. But her path didn’t begin in corporate boardrooms. It started with volunteering as a kid, working at a small women’s rights nonprofit in New York, and as...
Wed, 18 Mar 2026 - 19 - Josie: Put your foot down.
In this episode, Kristin talks with Josie (she/her), a project engineer in the construction industry who helps manage the building of massive projects like hospitals and data centers. Josie shares how she found her way into construction after starting in civil engineering and realizing she wanted something more hands-on, practical, and people-centered. She reflects on choosing an unconventional path to college, leaving New Jersey for the University of Wyoming, and the sweet story of her dad m...
Wed, 11 Mar 2026 - 18 - Zakiya: Don't bury your gifts.
In this episode, Kristin sits down with Zakiya (she/her), Vice President of Philanthropic Partnerships at the Climate and Clean Energy Equity Fund, to talk about leadership, identity, and the through-lines that shape a career. A Bermudian immigrant, former therapist, and seasoned fundraiser, Zakiya reflects on what it means to mobilize money at the intersection of climate and racial justice; and why money, at its core, is intimate work. From navigating tokenization in philanthropy to choosing...
Wed, 04 Mar 2026 - 17 - Amber: Don't force the fit.
Season 2 kicks off with Amber (she/her), someone who has never stayed in a life that didn’t fit. From Texas Tech to flight attendant, from a post-9/11 pivot to a master’s degree in London, from being “under-qualified” for marketing roles back home to building a career across sports, student marketing, and ultimately professional tour guiding, Amber’s story is a masterclass in adaptability. Today she leads tours across London, Oxford, and Paris (sometimes in full costume) and has earned multip...
Wed, 25 Feb 2026 - 16 - Bonus: Try it first, decide later.
In this bonus episode of Everything Counts (but nothing is real), Kristin sits down with her almost 10-year-old niece, Quinn, for an off-script conversation about school, art, animals, ambition, and all the possibilities that exist before work becomes a defining force in our lives. There’s no tidy narrative arc here, and that’s the point. Through stories about clay figurines, lemonade stand economics, animal rescue videos, sibling dynamics, and future dreams of teaching and saving animals, Qu...
Wed, 11 Feb 2026 - 15 - Bonus: A career that left room for life.
In this special bonus episode, Kristin sits down with Nana (Loren’s grandmother) to talk about work, family, and the quiet choices that shape a life. Raised on a farm in rural North Florida, Nana spent decades working part-time as a bookkeeper and in banking, intentionally building a career that left room to be present for her children and grandchildren. What unfolds is a tender oral history about money watched carefully, work done well but never centered, and a long marriage built on partner...
Wed, 28 Jan 2026 - 14 - Celia: People matter most.
People matter most. In the Season 1 finale of Everything Counts (But Nothing Is Real), Kristin sits down with one of her closest friends, Celia (they/them), to reflect on careers, values, and the human relationships that shape our work lives. A feminist philanthropic advocate working at the intersection of gender, racial, and economic justice, Celia shares what it really means to “move money ethically” and why relationships, patience, and trust are central to lasting systems change. They talk...
Wed, 07 Jan 2026 - 13 - Sara: Say it, then do it.
Say it, then do it. In this episode, Kristin sits down with Sara (she/her), a longtime friend and education leader whose career has been shaped by ambition, follow-through, and a deep belief in joy as a leadership practice. From nearly two decades in education nonprofits to earning multiple master’s degrees, getting married, and landing a new role as Dean of Student Life (all at once) Sara shares what it really looks like to set a goal and see it through. They talk about ambition without burn...
Wed, 31 Dec 2025 - 12 - Advice: A grain of salt and a pair of soft pants.
A grain of salt and a pair of soft pants. In this episode, Kristin and Loren break the fourth wall on career conversations and swap the usual interview format for a casual, candid advice session. From figuring out what you actually want (versus what you’ve been conditioned to want), to recognizing the difference between burnout and boredom, they talk through the questions so many of us are quietly asking at work and in life. Along the way, they unpack urgency culture, eldest-child energy, poi...
Wed, 24 Dec 2025 - 11 - Kenzie: Adaptation is a skill.
Adaptation is a skill. In this episode, Kristin sits down with her sister Kenzie (she/her) for a conversation about nonlinear careers, survival skills, and what it really means to “read the room.” Kenzie’s path, from reality TV casting to corporate recruiting to a bold pivot toward law school, is a masterclass in adaptation. Together, they unpack how early chaos shapes professional instincts, how work inevitably collides with life, and why being “off track” is often exactly where growth happe...
Wed, 17 Dec 2025 - 10 - Heidi: Do all the things, with purpose.
Do all the things, with purpose. In this episode, Kristin sit down with longtime friend and multi-hyphenate creative Heidi (she/her)--marketer, DJ, podcaster, higher-ed storyteller, civic-tech comms pro, and now small-business founder--to explore the many twists and pivots of her career. From clerk-of-court cubicles to national civic tech work to launching her own consultancy, Heidi shares what she’s learned about work boundaries, risk-taking, pay cuts, unionization, and staying grounded thro...
Wed, 10 Dec 2025 - 9 - Dolores: Life changes. So do we.
Life changes. So do we. Dolores returns for part 2 to share what life looks like after the classroom. She talks about how retirement became “the best job she’s ever had,” from early-morning VIPKid lessons with students in China to unexpected cultural exchange, care packages, and real connection across oceans. We also walk through the hardest years of her life—losing my dad and later my sister—and how she coped by staying busy, learning to live between “the cloud and the sun,” and finding supp...
Wed, 03 Dec 2025 - 8 - Dolores: Work changes. So do we.
Work changes. So do we. In Part 1 of this two-episode arc, Kristin sits down with her mom, Dolores (she/her), to explore a life built in classrooms and the way work evolves as people do. Dolores shares how she felt called to teach at an early age, and how her career unfolded through shifting curriculums, school politics, and dramatically different parent dynamics. She reflects on the joy of whole-language learning, the inequities between systemically underfunded and affluent schools, and her ...
Wed, 26 Nov 2025 - 7 - Mary Ann: It's not that serious.
It's not that serious. In this episode, Kristin talks with Mary Ann (she/her), a former ska-punk zine kid turned corporate law firm website manager, about what it really means to not dream of labor. They trace her path from AOL fan sites and popcorn shifts at the mall, through nonprofit burnout and film/TV detours, to a corporate web career that pays the bills without owning her identity. Mary Ann shares how books like Work Won’t Love You Back helped her de-center work, stop taking every emai...
Wed, 19 Nov 2025 - 6 - Kristin: Nothing is real, but you are!
Nothing is real, but you are! In this special episode, the mic flips as host Kristin becomes the guest. She traces her path from bookstore counters to boardroom tables, unpacking what it means to lead yourself before you lead others. With humor and honesty, she explores perfectionism, patriarchal workplaces, and the lifelong lesson that leadership starts within and that every version of you counts. How to get in touch: kristin@everythingcountspod.com@everythingcountspod on Instagram@kristinon...
Wed, 12 Nov 2025 - 5 - Talia: Ease is a power move.
Ease is a power move. Executive coach and organizational psychologist Talia (she/her) joins to talk about what happens when “working hard” becomes who you are, and what it takes to rewrite that story. We trace her path from AmeriCorps to L&D and consulting to launching Stepping Stones Coaching, the moment she realized job satisfaction can’t sit in someone else’s hands, and the practice of designing for ease without abandoning ambition. We also unpack the overachiever script so many women ...
Wed, 05 Nov 2025 - 4 - Sam: Leadership doesn't have to be loud.
Leadership doesn't have to be loud. In this episode of Everything Counts (but nothing is real), host Kristin interviews Sam (she/her), an operations leader with a rich background in nonprofit work. From aspiring musician to business student to AmeriCorps alum, Sam’s journey is a masterclass in resilience, curiosity, and quiet leadership. We talk about the impact of service, what it means to lead from behind the scenes, and why leadership doesn’t have to be loud. The conversation dives into th...
Wed, 05 Nov 2025 - 3 - Loren: Job security is a myth.
Job security is a myth. In this inaugural episode of Everything Counts (but nothing is real), host Kristin interviews her partner Loren (they/them), an artist turned web developer turned business owner whose story embodies the everything counts spirit. Loren started in sculpture, taught themselves design and web, and said yes to the kinds of opportunities that don’t look like a plan, until they do. After nearly two decades in nonprofits, tech, and e-commerce, a layoff at 40 became the turning...
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