The Rabbit Hole

Coaching departures The money shot the media is after is to get a tear out of the coach Do you need to be subjected to the media conference if you’re an outgoing coach? Inglorious sackings – and the audio of Damian Drum at Fremantle The West Australian’s front page showed no empathy to Adam Simpson this morning Tim spoke about his departure from St Kilda – the paper ran a photo to make it look like he broke down The responsibility of a coach – Tim discussed how much falls on the coach – there are so many decisions to make every single day Picking senior coaching is a difficult task too, because you are never 100% sure until they get in the seat Re: the text message story last week – Tim had a story about Kevin Sheedy’s first preseason at Essendon – if there were text messages around then, there would have been plenty sent around! Parking changes Garry frustrated by councils changing parking time limits on streets Sleeping tip Garry says that Nicky has started taping her mouth shut while she sleeps – and never slept better! Media Bias If you were at the start of your media career, would you foster more relationships with media outlets to report favourably on you? Farming – for Peninsula Kubota Cooking – for Kubota Garry has been watching Matt Moran, who has some amazing techniques with Salmon Woodchopping Garry and Tim are having a day of wood chopping next week! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Do you have feedback, ideas of questions for Garry and Tim? Email joel.brooks@sen.com.au Flight advice Garry’s tip for the best food to eat before a flight Tim spoke about his fear of flying and how he helps ease his anxiety How hard to pilots work when they’re flying internationally – is it just autopilot for the majority of the trip? Breath work Garry spoke about a recent experience he had The art of breathing exercises and its benefits Farming, for Peninsula Kubota Tim is looking to build a veggie garden Update on Tim’s health Diet and gut health discussion The age-gap relationship difference Tim put a few examples to Garry about famous relationships with reasonable difference in age What would Bill Belichick and his 23-year-old partner speak about at the dinner table? Emotional coaches Spoke about the art of vulnerability in coaching Re: Ken Hinkley emotional after the game – and how well Sarah Jones handled the interview Would you like to be coached by an emotional coach? Balance between emotion, vulnerability and being tough Engaging vs. Lecturing in a conversation Garry spoke of the importance to be interested, rather than interesting Engage with colleagues, on air partners and the audience Importance of movement Why golf is such a great game – it gets you naturally moving Food, for Cobram Estate Tim’s paella  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Changes at Channel 7 Tim says it’s a tough time, it’s the nature of the business but he is close with Lewis Martin Tim and Lewis have been at Ch 7 for a similar amount of time – and they have a boss / friendship type relationship and Tim can’t speak highly enough of him Garry discussed the importance of respecting your boss, elders, coach etc. Tough discussions and debate – need to come from the right place Discussion re: the rivalry between Ch 7 and Ch 9 – Tim even tried to not watch the footy when Ch 9 got the rights! Garry reminisced about the day he got the call that Ch 9 got the rights to the footy Spoke about the timeline of the TV rights for AFL Diamonds Re-visited the story about lab-based diamonds – and discussed an article from Scott Pape last week Should people still wear a tie? What are the occasions that people should wear ties? Is it dying a slow death? Tim’s appearances on TV shows in the past Frontline The Late Show Home and Away Hey Hey It’s Saturday Farming chat, for Peninsula Kubota A bit of confusion about chickens, roosters and eggs – but we got there! Food discussion, for Cobram Estate Olive Oil Tim gave some tips on a rice dish And we finished with a couple of quick ones; Where do flies go in winter? Where do snakes go in winter? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

ON TODAY’S SHOW Garry & Tim explore couples therapy together – for their own relationship Comparing eras of a mid-life crisis The Hall of Fame Gut Health Garry’s fiancée, Nicki, is undertaking a program for gut health – Garry & Tim discuss its pros and cons Couples Therapy The importance of communication Tim plays the therapist for Garry – and the discussion is quite constructive! Tim discusses his morning routine for Garry – and the coffee he makes every morning before the show – he knows EXACTLY how Garry wants it made Mid-life crisis We compare the signs of a mid life crisis from decades ago, until now Tim asks Garry about mid-life crisis signs in the past and signs of what represents a mid life crisis now – has he done any of these? Eg – sports car, wearing wrist bands, pony tail, leather pants etc. Hall of Fame We loved Dane Swan’s speech – and celebrating his indifference to the way a football would usually go about their work He clipped plenty of people, but none of it was nasty Jason Dunstall – Garry speaks about why he loves working with him so much European summer Plenty of people setting off at this time of the year FARMING – for Peninsula Kubota Planting vegetable garden FOOD – For Cobram Estate Olive Oil Garry had a Risoni last night  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

THIS WEEK Garry and Tim discuss the importance of relationships and mentors The impact of therapy An eg shortage – how do you cook them? The Big Freeze Winter fashion And what was Garry’s first job? DISCUSSION POINTS: Eggs Should we be worried? How do you cook them? Garry and Tim compared notes on their omelettes Collecting wood Tim collected wood from Garry’s recently – but Garry is concerned he’s taken all the best stuff! Couples therapy Tim has been watching a show and it sparked the conversation about relationships The skill of a therapist Garry spoke about the stigma of therapy – but if you change the name therapist to ‘mentor’, does it change things? One of Tim’s great mentors is Alec Epis He has been there for Tim since 1977 Tim spoke of their friendship The Big Freeze Tim spoke about the slide, the best performers & the day itself Christian Petracca injury Discussed how it played out on the day Winter fashion What are Garry and Tim rolling with this winter? They compare their most recent purchases Garry’s first job He has some great advie Tim’s off-season plans He wants to walk the Camino  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Cars – how much do you know about them? Garry and Tim know the basics… tyre pressure, oil, windscreen wipers etc. The hierarchy of petrol stations in Dimboola Studies about prolonging your life / the aging process Tim found a left of centre way to measure your health from a podcast with Trevor Noah The dynamic of an on air broadcast Shaq audio – getting annoyed at Chuck for jumping around with the rundown Garry told stories of similar dynamic with Triple M days, The Footy Show Twins Brayden Maynard Garry impressed with him on Friday night Gets cleaned up by Sam Darcy – kicked the goal and didn’t engage in retribution It was mature Radio Ratings Garry says he doesn’t take a lot of notice of them now, but he used to sweat on them  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Garry and Tim spoke to Pat Rafter on their Breakfast show this morning, and there was a fair bit to dissect on the back of it! Was Tim an interview hog? Garry reveals Specky Magee story which relates to Pat Rafter Who are the great guys in medie, that are unaffected by their celebrity status? Garry discusses his mum, Bev's 80th birthday on the weekend - a big family gthering! Tim has finally finished watching Ted Lasso And we discuss councils and the state of Victoria Plus - our Food discussion, for Cobram Estate Olive Oil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Garry and Tim have had a week off and they've come back with plenty to discuss! Do they feel rested? Why they love a leisurely walk How do you rely on your partner? Garry's mum, Bev, turns 80! And they have a big party this weekend The social pressure on selecting a diamond ring, Luke Parker's bump, lithium batteries and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

INTRODUCTION -           Spoke with Jason, doing work experience at SEN this week HEALTH -           On the back of our chat with David Zaharakis on the SEN Breakfast program, Garry and Tim discuss their health goals FIGHT MND -           Garry and Tim recently filmed a clip with Neale for a documentary following the upcoming Big Freeze at the G -           Discussion on how Big Freeze at the G took off and became what it is today -           Great stories about Neale Daniher and his coaching style -           Tim says Essendon made a massive mistake not appointing him as coach after Sheedy WEEK OFF -           Garry and Tim have a week off next week – they’re going to split some wood together GARRY’S MUM’S 80TH BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION -           A big weekend coming up in a few weeks’ time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Housekeeping last week re: Garry’s wedding (and whether Tim would be the celebrant!?) Commentary Garry and Tim thought it was an odd article criticising BT and Brayshaw re: their commentary of Jake Kelly Do commentators have a bias? How do you prepare for a game as an expert commentator – Garry explained the process for his role when hosting and expert commentary Garry told a story about a time he got some very direct feedback from Kerry Packer Garry explained why he loved working with Nick Riewoldt – there was plenty of healthy debate Cobram Estate Olive Oil discussion Garry was there yesterday Spoke about the meal they had for lunch… As well as the best ice cream Garry has ever had! Paul Kent incident Garry and Tim spoke about their history with him Garry and Tim gave him the nickname ‘Punchy’ a few years ago because he could throw verbal punches… The nickname turned out to be prophetic  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Haircuts -         What do you ask for? -         Do you get a beard trim? Destination Weddings -         Festival feeling, great bonhomie -         Celebrant’s – Garry wants Tim to be the celebrant for his wedding with Nicki -         What makes a great wedding? Bill Belichick -         Could we bring him to Australia for a speaking tour? -         Tim would like to make it happen via Michael Lombardi What is your go-to toasted sandwich? -         Garry keeps it simple with ham, cheese, tomato and a bit of red onion Farming update -         Garry has an issue with his Gator Footy apparel -         Tim’s mum kept the 1985 Premiership jumper he wore and she gave it to him for his 60th birthday -         Garry doesn’t have any memorabilia on display. But he would like to put the picture of him and Ali on his walls, however Nicki won’t let him Garry’s winter wardrobe -         Garry reveals his winter colour and clothing  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Plenty on the agenda today: Nicky Brownless joined us to discuss; Featuring in the Herald Sun this morning And the pie Nicky and Garry made for Tim Nicky gave the recipe for the gravy she used for the pie And Nicky is hosting a party this weekend – sausage rolls and Aperol’s (and no high-heels) Dinner parties Garry and Tim agree they don’t really like them – and they explain why INTERVIEW – Joe Otto from Kubota Farming tips for Garry and Tim Burning a fire Which wood is best to use Tim gives his thoughts re cooking on the open flame And more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Gather Round Tim’s trip home from the Barossa Blown tyre – Tim explains why he let Bucks help change it rather than doing it himself Garry’s simple fix to when he has to kill time after checking out from a hotel The saltiness from people that didn’t go to Gather Round When media gather, it’s an interesting environment! What are the non-negotiable skills you must learn to do by the time you’re 18? Change a tyre, back a trailer, unblock a sink, replace a toilet seat, clean the gutters, fix a flywire screen, clean the fireplace, check the oil on your car Where did you learn to drive? Stories of getting your licence Driving to games Importance of sleep Tim recently heard a theory that perhaps the idea of an 8-hour sleep is overrated? And a recipe from Tim for Cobram Estate Olive Oil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Easter Lunch - Tim perfecting cooking on coals  What are the rules on bringing or buying when attending a lunch? - Garry says always offer to pay 10.50 - Garry’s cancelled lunch in Adelaide, Tim’s itinerary for Friday's lunch 13.20 - Reflecting on Garry's 150th and Tim’s 300th games that fell on the same day 14.48 - memories of playing in Adelaide and state games against South Australia  21.30 - Garry discusses the treatment he undertook for his back, including the magnetic therapy from the magnet man Dick Wicks 27.50 - Garry discovering and watching Get Smart on TV the other day 31.40 - Rules on sharing farm equipment 38.19 - Reflecting on the Jackjumpers NBL championship win  39.20 - How good is Lachie Neale?  40.20 - Injuries and Tim’s idea to see how many games are missed by the "best 23" of a team using percentage  42.09 - Getting dinner for Talking Footy and The Couch 46.15 - Garry working with Matt Hill and Jack Riewoldt and the advice he gives for new commentators Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Recognition for Garry Named most popular sports breakfast presenter in Australia Tim’s school reunion Stayed with his old mate, Boy Gooding He walked the old track that he used to walk to primary school Tim went through a few nostalgic stories Tim used to live next door to the local undertaker – and they were all scared of him! Garry and Tim chat about kicking the footy in the backyard growing up T Dollar and G Money make their return this week Replayed 3 songs from years gone by Build up to their return on the Breakfast show Footy Clinics Garry remembers the footy clinics he used to do with Spud Some funny Spud stories Andrew Plympton’s passing Tim had a great story about the unconventional way Plympton approached Tim to coach the Saints Great response to our chat with Sharnelle Vella last week Which guests would you like to hear on the show? How can you measure competitive stamina? Garry says he’d take competitiveness nearly over any other attribute in a player  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1984 Premiership Reunion Presenting the number 32 to Ben McKay Re-capping the Grand Final, the fight in the game Dermott’s role in the day An issue Tim has had to deal with since moving to Peninsula Less privacy in the backyard, which has caused some issues Jim Stynes 12 years ago today since his passing Garry told stories about Jim Stynes Re-capped a story he told at Jim’s funeral INTERVIEW – SHARNELLE VELLA; Ch 7 State Political Reporter Her path to her role now Told some great stories about jobs she had while putting in the hours to chase her dream One job was to carry a journalists handbag while the journalist did interviews! Her parents still watch every night – and they time it! She gave us an exclusive – told us the story about when Mal Brown sprayed her! She was rapt to get the lead story! She was involved with the stake outs at James Hird’s house – they were there so often that they knew the neighbours’ movements There was a day when she got a good 3 minute chat out of Hird … One of the only times he spoke properly… And the cameraman didn’t hit record! They were at Hird’s house so often than a cameraman used to water his front lawn It was respectful between Hird and the reporters – Hird understood it but it was uncomfortable for everyone She has snuck victims out of courts to avoid media before We don’t have an opposition government in this town! They are just not unified – that’s the crux of the problem. There’s one team out on the field playing the game, the opposition is still in the rooms planning Why she loves politics and reporting on it On Dan Andrews – could get up in front of crowds and present without flinching, he’s an incredible political figure, he was ruthless and cut throat The way the state has been left, in some ways, is shameful Other discussion points Worst thing you can do on a footy field Protesters FOOD for Cobram Estate Olive Oil Sweet Potato chips Garry’s food tip – download the YUKA app  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Routine - Garry is a routine guy, with everything he does  - Last week Garry and Tim travelled for the footy – and it made Tim anxious, totally interrupted his routine! - And Garry had a bloke playing a didgeridoo in the Uber to the GABBA!  - Garry stresses when he is not in control  Which job would you like to have? - Garry would love to mow the lawns at the tan Footy chat - Round 1 memories - 1984 Essendon premiership – Tim’s memories  - Tim presenting number 32 jumper to Ben McKay this week – Garry gives him a few tips for what to say  Tim’s school reunion is coming up - He will stay with his old mate, Boy Gooding  - Needs to work out a way to watch the Swans vs. Ess game that night  Incidents between teams outside of game time - On the back of the Mason Cox story this week - Tim gave his perspective of Dermott Brereton running through the huddle in 1988 Sportspeople as actors - Tim has been watching a show with Eric Cantona  - Why didn’t Garry pursue acting on the back of House of Bulger?  - Garry spoke about the multiple times he has performed as Cher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Travel this week for opening round - Both Garry and Tim are travelling this week for Opening Round   - Garry has had an early win with economy x  - Tim has a dilemma – he is travelling with a cameraman, which creates some issues  Tim’s brother’s property saved by firefighters  - How mortein fly spray saved the day! Pet issues - An embarrassing situation for Tim’s wife, Susie, at the café yesterday  - The situation was like a movie scene – everyone froze  - It’s created a drama for Tim – “I will never walk past that café again” The footy environment / locker room etiquette - Garry fascinated by Tim entering that world as a 15-year-old  Great advertisements - WE discussed the Kia ad - Garry and Tim’s involvement with Four’n Twenty  - Which players would be most marketable now? Daicos, Bailey Smith, Isaac Heeney, Toby Greene  NRL in Vegas - It’s a no brainer for NRL to do what they did - So many great athletes in the States – Tim says it would be easier to turn a college American Football player to rugby than Australian Rules  - Can we do it? Garry not sure it works for us – but Ireland would be great (lack of venues an issue) Cooking, for Cobram Estate - Garry gave us his favourite salad right now  - Tim has a suggestion – follow Francis Mallman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Back into the routine of footy season Tim’s meeting with Ch 7 today for the season ahead Tim’s advice for Garry’s premiership window for On The Couch The importance of a good wardrobe person at TV Men can wear the same thing everyday on TV and no one will notice Old training and pre-seasons stories Post-career footy litigation What genius thought 100 x 100m sprints was a good idea for training!? Tim did 10 x 200m on the minute The way Garry and Tim were mentally tested at pre-season camps Tim’s story on the genius of Terry Daniher, saving the team from a heap of running due to his farming skills And Garry on a trip to Gold Coast, a training camp which did more damage to his back When did sports science come in? Concussion discussion Discussion on their experiences with concussion as players What does the sports fans want to hear from TV shows, radio etc. Played audio of JJ Reddick Do fans like analysis or entertainment? How we consume and watch sport Played audio of Bill Simmons talking about Vision Pro technology How will we watch sport in future? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week with Garry and Tim: Garry’s New York trip: What were the highlights, has the US become more expensive?, the taxes at hotels Some restaurant tips in New York from Garry: Carbone, Manetta Tavern, St Theos, Balthazar, The Oyster bar at Grand Central Station And he went to ‘Sleep No More’ – A Shakespeare experience Tim has moved to the Mornington Peninsula – near Garry! He is really enjoying living down that way – especially walking along the beach Tim would love to know how to surf Given Garry and Tim are living so close to each other, they need to lay down the rules – how often can they drop into each other’s house? Moving house Garry recently shifted house – the worst job in the world Nicki is a hoarder, Garry isn’t – so that was a dilemma Chat about old scrap books and footy articles Farming and animals How to welcome a dog into the household and create a bond between dog and owner The satisfaction of fixing things Growing John from Epping’s tomato plants Chainsawing techniques Lisa Wilkinson’s wardrobe allowance Unsure how it could be $100k! Women get a lot more feedback in terms of what they wear on TV, which is why women would have more allowance for wardrobe. But $100k seems too much Tim says there’s a rotation system for ties Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hear from Garry and Tim as they discuss what they've bene up to since footy season, their plans for Christmas and more. It's our Rabbit Hole Christmas Special! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1.20 - Garry has PGFG… Post Grand Final Glow! 5.00 – It was a classic Grand Final… - How did Garry and Tim spend their day? - Garry discusses some of the entertaining things he noticed in the outer 11.00 – Tim doesn’t like to have a big TV because he doesn’t want it to dominate a room - Garry likes a big TV 15.00 – Grand Final Eve, September Club post-game – all the events around Grand Final 19.00 – INTERVIEW – Jobe Watson - Recounting the time Tim looked after his dog when Jobe went overseas… It didn’t go well - Tim about to go on a holiday – Jobe gives some great stories about old family holidays 27.00 – Tim speaking about his holiday - He doesn’t like flying - Garry gave him some tips 38.00 – What are you looking forward to over the summer? Garry going to WA for James Brayshaw’s wedding He needs to put together the travel itinerary for Sam Newman 42.00 – Farming, for Kubota 46.00 – Cooking – for Cobram Estate  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1.20– Tim says Garry has made it into his top 5 friends! 3.00 – Tim’s trip to France - concerns about driving and directions 10.00 – Garry and Tim have received a text from Travis Fimmell! 18.00 – Contacts – it’s important to have someone you know within every industry - Not for free stuff, but to get advice from someone in the know, whenever you might need it! 22.00 – Grand Final tickets - The joy and despair it can bring - Garry told a story of the time he helped someone who was stitched up with tickets outside the MCG 29.00 – Discussed Grand Final memories (as players) 38.00 – Grand Final memories (as fans/watchers of the game) 47.00 – Cooking and Food, for Cobram Estate 54.00 – Farming tips for Kubota - Drones and technology  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2.00 – Big week for both Garry and Tim – Prelim week 3.00 – Garry’s flight to Sydney – had a lot of people coming up to talk to him - Flying is a process - Garry can understand why people have their own plane, if they can afford it 5.30 – When Huddo caught the private flight back with the MMM boys… because his wife was in labour 9.30 – Traits of a ruthless competitor - Tom Brady says he can’t stand it when opposition players hug and smile on the field - Garry didn’t like Joel Smith helping Jacob Weitering off the ground last week 18.00 – Are the modern day players too nice to each other? 22.00 – Do you shake hands before a game of footy? 25.00 – Preliminary finals preview 32.00 – Farming, for Kubota - Technology taking over - Forrest bathing 38.00 – Cooking, for Cobram Estate - Shepherds Pie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1.30 – Garry’s birthday today 5.00 – Gifts – do you still do gifts for your birthday? 10.00 – The Finals - Huge first weekend - The lift of the atmosphere in finals 14.00 – Debut of Talking Finals last week - Channel 7’s new footy show – which Tim is involved with 18.00 – All Modesty Aside - Garry recounts his famous 10 goals in a final! - Garry reveals the tactic he and Brett Lovett used which got him his 10th goal! 28.00 – Farming, for Kubota - Brushcutting long grass to get rid of snakes around your house and land 37.00 – Cooking, for Cobram Estate Olive Oil - What does Garry want to eat for his birthday? 43.00 – Non driverless cars - Would you ever travel in one? 45.00 – Garry is fearful that his cat might have amnesia 48.00 – Preview for Tim’s holiday to France and Italy  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2.00 – Garry recounting a great weekend - Watched two of his sons win a premiership - One piece of play almost brought Garry to tears (of joy) 5.00 – What do you eat before a big game? - Tim’s old man was set in his ways with breakfast tradition on the day of a big game 7.00 – Tim caught up with Essendon mates from the 80s over the weekend - Tim hadn’t seen some of them for 30 years – which made it difficult to remember some names - What’s the best way to go about it? Honesty, or try to bluff your way through the conversation - How do you leave a function? The art of doing a phantom … 15.00 – Body parts that no longer work for older people 17.00 – The culture of showering with teammates post game 19.00 – Garry has an issue – why he can’t read a book in the bath anymore… 22.00 – INTERVIEW – DARREN BEWICK; ESSENDON STAR - 1993 Premiership, 30 years on - His relationship with Kevin Sheedy - 6 goals in the prelim – carried the team through to the Granny! - Playing with Tim – looked up to him as a legend. Had an aura about him, but realised he was just a normal bloke - Tim re: Gavin Wanganeen – he was like a rockstar at the club 36.00 – Garry and Tim discuss their first ever finals match 45.00 —Farming; for Kubota - Shifting sheep to higher ground during a storm - Garry has a problem – Kangaroos on his farm and his neighbours have kangaroo proof fencing 50.00 – Food, for Cobram Estate Olive Oil - The magic of sweet potato 53.00 – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes - Alan Joyce and Qantas - Where has accountability gone - Eddie Jones – labelled a ‘horny teenager’ - FOPO – Fear of Other People’s Opinions (on the back of our chat with Dr Michael Gervais) - Mike Sheahan is still a superstar! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

0.30 – Garry goes through some recent complaints he’s had! Forgot a player from the 1983 Kyabram Premiership reunion 2.30 – Tim went yabbying last week - Told some yabbying stories – which turned into the farming tip, for Kubota 12.00 – Garry discussed his interview with Darcy Moore for Fox Sports 16.00 – The guys couldn’t think of anything worse than being hit up by paparazzi! 17.00 – The success of Drive to Survive 22.00 – Tim calls BS on Garry’s story about Delta Goodram! 25.00 – When Garry met Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley from KISS - Garry interviewed them on The Footy Show, but it took a bizarre twist! 28.00 – Damien Oliver’s retirement announcement - The win on Media Puzzle will go down as one of the all-time sport stories 31.00 – When Garry tried his hand at owning a horse – didn’t go well! - Simon O’Donnell, Gerard Healy, David Hookes all involved 34.00 – Father’s Day this weekend 39.00 – Quick Fire Questions and chat about the upcoming finals series Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1.30 – Tim’s technical issues with the autocue before Matildas match last week “It’s the panic and fear that completely comes over you” 6.0    – The most un-Australian act Tim has seen! 6:30 – The Matildas – Tim loved the whole tournament – got swept up in it 14.00 – Garry tells us about his 1983 Under 18 Premiership Reunion for Kyabram on the weekend 23.00 – Welcome Cobram Estate Oil as a partner to the podcast - Tim’s best footy snack – sweet potato, slice into not too thick pieces, sprinkle thyme, salt, pepper and drizzle olive oil 26.00 – Garry’s recent trip to the tip - Wouldn’t mind a job there! 34.00 – Garry story taking tourists through his property to look at the kangaroos 40.00 – Farming, for Kubota - Firelighting - Pruning grapes 44.00 – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes - Finals coming up – Tim flat with Essendon’s performance on the weekend - Retirements - Ange Postecoglou started well at the Spurs  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this week's edition of 'The Rabbit Hole', Garry and Tim discussed the Matildas' World Cup win against Denmark, Tim's sheep idea, Garry's considerations for his property, Round 21 in the AFL, Matthew Lloyd's school footy celebration, mushrooms, their plans for their holidays, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1.30 – What do you sleep in? 3.30 – The Squirrel Grip - Some players have been known to do it in the past 6.00 – Soft and Hard Launches - Tim and Garry dissect the difference 12.30 – Men for all seasons calendar - Garry recalls the time he was involved - Chat about Bucks, Craig Kelly and others that were involved - Tim never did it… But Garry believes some of Tim’s stuff is worse! 18.30 – The Logies - Dissecting Sam Pang’s performance - How was he NOT nominated for the gold Logie?! 21.30 – The Matildas  - Garry doesn’t feel connected because he doesn’t know the players - But the Matildas are having a great impact – you cant see the TV shots of young girls in the crowd. The emotional connection for the young girls in the crowd is enormous - Huge TV ratings for Matildas matches 29.00 – The Ashes - Disappointed with the post-game drinks not going ahead - Is there a greater level of ill-feeling between the two sides? 32.00 – Post-game beers in the world of footy - Tim tells a great story about Tom Hafey in a post-game function one day… Filthy with the umpires! - It was different for Garry post game – no post-game beers in the rooms, but they’d go out and then have a Sunday sip 37.00 – The time Tim saw Jim Buckley swaying along with Paul Van Der Haar to ‘Never Tear Us Apart’ at Billboard  39.00 – Cold showers at suburban grounds… Moorabbin was the worst! 43.00 – Garry home alone at the moment - Cleaning, cooking 47.00 – Do you get on well with your in-laws? 51.00 – Farming, for KUBOTA - At least once a year, get your main machinery serviced - Clean your gutters 55.00 – Finished with a song - Good feedback from last week with Cat’s In the Cradle - Tim’s selection this week… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

4.00 – Bed linen - How much should a doona and a sheet cost? - Tim says he is the linen expert 12.00 – Rabbit Hole Rewind – Interview with Mark Harvey - His take on the 1990 Grand Final brawl - Tim didn’t want any part of the fight, meanwhile Harvs was wrestling with Gubby! 18.00 – Chat about Lou Richards - The original footy player turned media megastar - Garry told a story about Lou’s left of centre thinking… Christian vs Lyon (Lion) – ahead of a clash between Garry and Michael Christian - Why did Lou go to Channel 9? - Story about Lou’s reaction to Jack Dyer’s passing – not what you’d expect! 25.00 – Guests on radio - Chat re the conditioning of AFL players by media managers - Reaction to two guests who spoke really well on Breakfast this week – Nick Daicos and Mason Redman - “The game is in great hands” – Tim, on the back of Daicos and Redman 35.00 – Craig McRae and his legacy - “He will be transformational, in how he approaches things as a senior coach”- Garry 39.00 – Farming, for Kubota - Types of manure 45.00 – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes - English media - Laugh lines and botox - Garry isn’t a music person – but we will finish with a song each week  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1.30 – Garry excited for the weekend of sport - Cricket, golf, footy, women’s world cup 2.30 – Reaction to Women’s World Cup - Is it okay to jump on board with excitement and support as a bandwagon jumper? 8.00 – The Brady Bunch - Garry recalls his favourite episodes 9.30 – The Quarterback Series on Netflix - Confidence – why can some people move on quickly after mistakes and some hold onto it 16.00 – Why Garry would have loved to have Ben Crowe as a person to chat with during his career 17.00 – Tim – never dominated junior footy, because he was always younger - Always felt he belonged wherever he played, even if he was significantly younger (eg – 15 yrs old in VFL) 21.00 – Why did Garry have Tim’s poster on his wall? 23.00 – What motivated Garry and Tim on the footy field? 29.00 – Tim reveals how Essendon players used to be hypnotised the night before a game! Maybe more on this next week… 31.00 – INTERVIEW – EDDIE HILLGROVE; FORMER COLLINGWOOD OFFICIAL - Recounting the 1990 GF brawl from his perspective – he was right in the middle of it! - Leigh’s quarter time speech was the best he ever heard – the message was ‘don’t retaliate!’ - “I was lucky I didn’t get put in jail that night…” – speaking about a run in with a policeman - Got reported for his involvement with the brawl - $15,000 fine! Which the club paid… And he got rubbed out for 15 months 42.00 – FARMING; for Kubota - Garry on the life of a Plover 51.00 – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes - Commonwealth Games situation - Garry recalls a story where he and James Brayshaw interviewed Kelvin Kerkow, who trashed a hotel room the night before! - The handover from Garry & JB to Mark Nicholas after 12 – but Garry threw him  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1.30 – Have you ever been sacked? Garry reveals meeting he had with Steve Price at 3AW 5.00 – Have you ever sacked anybody? Tim says it was the hardest thing he had to do as coach – moving on players, staff The role is to deliver the news and then somebody else comes in to console. The person delivering the news can’t be the same person consoling, because they don’t want to hear from you 10.00 – When was the last time to added a friend to your friend list? The unlikely location where Garry and Sam Pang became friends 12.30 – Update on the Dimboola High School reunion Where will Tim stay? Tim’s advice: “The only piece of advice to take away from this podcast… There is no friend, like an old friend” 22.00 – Overseas holidays – out of Garry and Tim, who is the biggest pre-holiday planner? 24.00 – Garry on his stand up comedy routine for the Footy Show Hear Garry’s zinger! 28.00 – Sam Newman A grand entrance to Dimboola He could be lightest packer for an international flight?! 35.00 – Garry’s has a new idea for a TV guide 38.00 – INTERVIEW – with Gubby Allan Recapping the 1990 Grand Final brawl – and his clash with the Essendon runner Kevin Sheedy’s false teeth fell out during the chaos! And the gives the untold story from half time 47.00 – Farming, for Kubota Garry has some fencing to do this weekend Hay bales – Tim has them as a wind break  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1.30 – Royal family saga at Wimbledon (re: Roger Federer) 5.00 – Spirit of the Game – - Hostility in the Ashes - Hand on heart – Did Garry think the Carey wicket was in the spirit of the game? 10.00 – Hostile crowds - Tim recounts the infamous 1990 Grand Final brawl – as the captain of the side, where was he placed in the brawl? - The half-time break – Tim has never seen anyone as angry as Leigh Matthews (the Pies coach) - Garry recounts the most hostile crowd he can remember – “They just went nuts” - Which team made a pact to punch on with Melbourne players before the siren in a 1982 clash? 28.00 – Tim explains the time he was most frightened on a footy field… “they belted the hell out of us!” 32.00 – Rabbit Hole Rewind Interview with Allan Stoneham, to discuss the time he was stitched up with the deep heat in the jocks prank 37.00 - Farming tip, for Kubota Garry’s attire – 1 set of clothes that stay in the shed AND a heated coat for winter! 46.00 - Garry delves into the most sensitive topic for Tim – hair loss 52.00 – Garry acknowledges Zach Tuohy ahead of breaking the record for games played by an Irishman  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2.00 - Recap last week re: jockeys rubbing salt into each other 4.00 - Tim's way to get tickets to Taylor Swift How much would you pay for a concert? 10.00 - Dry July - would you ever do it? Tim says he could easily do it 13.00 - Nathan Lyon celebrating 100 consecutive Test matches Garry spoke about Nathan having a nickname after him Chat about the second Test vs England 16.30 - Sledging Garry says it works when you get the right target Garry vs Tony Shaw 22.00 - Old locker room stories 31.00 - Black panther - Garry is adamant he saw one on the golf course 38.00 - Function in Grand Final week - Tim underpriced himself 44.00 - School holidays Tim and Garry stories about how they used to spend their holidays 47.00 - Farming, for Kubota Tank water 52.00 - Quick Fire Rabbit Holes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

3.00 – Tim story re: Ascot Vale leisure centre – Essendon would go there for training - often there were jockeys in there - the jockeys would rub salt into each other 5.00 – Do you like saunas? - Tim finds them too hot 6.00 – How Tim helped Suzie through some car issues this week 11.00 – When Garry/Tim are keynote speakers - Tim does a lot of preparation, Garry, not so much - Tim’s first gag didn’t work when he was at Spud’s lunch last week 16.00 – Spud’s lunch discussion 17.00 – Tim on the worst public speech he’s done 20.00 – Fires - Males seem to love fires. Lighting a fire, bbqs, bonfires - Garry story on his kids lighting a fire when they were young 25.00 – Cricket - Tim’s interest isn’t as high as it once was - Garry is really invested in this Ashes series 29.00 – Garry story about playing in the David Boon Testimonial - Made a brilliant 52 - Thought he was getting a standing ovation, but they were cheering for Boony 37.00 – The Logies - Advice for Sam Pang (as host) 48.00 – Farming, for Kubota - Deer fences - Fishing - Garry told a couple of fishing stories – lost three anchors in one trip Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Garry Lyon recalls when Neale Daniher was appointed as Melbourne's coach and the hard edge he brought to the club. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1.30 – Tim’s footy reunion - You don’t talk about the game itself, you talk about the journey and the great stories - Tim told a story of a joke he told before the 1993 Grand Final 6.00 – Garry’s leadership - How he pumped up the players before the game – lots of swearing! Pumped them up but then one day the door didn’t open 9.00 – FIGHT MND - Tim says he hasn’t seen a more emotional tribute to anybody than the guard of honour for Neale Daniher on Monday (Tim says he wasn’t at the G for EJ) - Tim spoke to Neale since – and he says Neale felt the love - Amazing how we’re celebrating the now for Neale Daniher, usually we do the reflecting after someone as passed - Neale’s mind is still razor sharp – which is quite cruel - Neale Daniher stories - Garry told some great stories about how Neale put it on him to get on the park and properly train/play – rather than rehab 23.00 – Garry’s retirement and Neale’s role in it 30.00 – Which body part are you most happy with? - Garry says his hair - Chat about Joel Selwood and his alignment with MOSH - The guys spoke about a grooming tip 41.00 – Farming, for Kubota - How to bury a Kangaroo 46.00 – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes - Garry’s relationship with the MCC - Brayshaw named highest paid media performer in the AFL by Nathan Brown… Ahead of Garry  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

4 minutes – Reunions Tim has a reunion coming up A year 7 school reunion Tim says he could name everybody from his school in year 7 Garry has a 40-year footy reunion for Kyabram 10 minutes – Game shows Played audio of Kingy on the Weakest Link Garry told a story about when he was on Sale of the Century 19 minutes – School development Garry skipped a grade Garry says he loved English and History 20 minutes – Losing hair Garry asks Tim if he has ever thought about going down the path of doing something about his hair 38 minutes – Discussion re: The Chimp Empire 42 minutes – Training your dog 44 minutes – Eye cream Garry has a new eye cream he’s using Kiehls – powerful strength vitamin c 46 minutes – Farming, for Kubota Chopping down a tree Sharing wood with others 52 minutes – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes The origins of the huddle Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2.30 – Discussion on your scent - What cologne do you use?   7.30 – Greetings - How do you answer a phone - How to do greet somebody you haven’t seen for a while - Tim explained an awkward exchange from yesterday, with Libbi Gore - Garry thought it was someone he knew better than he did - Male handshake – the American styled grip has come in   15.00 – Comfort food - Veggie soup, toasted ham cheese tomato with the crust cut off, dunkable biscuit - what are the best dunking biscuits   22.00 – The earthquake - Tim slept through it - Garry woke up in a state of confusion   27.00 – Milestones - Steele Sidebottom injury on his 300th - Garry’s 200th – pulled out the night before – he flew up, there was a banner, but his back was no good - Tim did a hamstring in his 300th   30.00 – Teammates - Garry spoke about playing with Brian Wilson   37.00 – Farming, for Kubota - Garry got his chainsaw fixed - Tim’s tips for rural people and their woodsplitters - Going electric on the farm   40.00 – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes – for TJM - Hawks investigation - How long since you’ve been overseas - NBA finals  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hear Garry tell the story when he was hosting the TODAY show on the morning when Saddam Hussein was captured. The Rabbit Hole will be back next week! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

0.30 – Welcome – discussion about Garry’s trip to Cobram Estate - Garry now an expert on Olive Oil - Eric Bana, Dylan Buckley, Brendon Fevola all went along - Nick Riewoldt hosted 12.00 – The plane trip - There was an incident at the Essendon airport – Tim worried for Garry! 16.00 – Flying interstate to footy games for broadcasts - MMM used to get their own chartered flight - Huddo jumped in with MMM one day as his wife was in labour! 18.00 – The Chimp Empire - A show that Garry and Tim are watching on Netflix 23.00 – Chat about tyres and cars 28.00 – Big Bills House - Garry’s story about The Footy Show, where they did the ‘Big Bills House’ skit - Warwick Capper entered – Garry had to impersonate him 35.00 – Sam’s gift to Garry for his 40th - They went to Vegas – Sam kept a diary and gave it to Garry when they got home 40.00 – FARMING, for Kubota - Starting a fire - Process of collecting wood - Garry nearly burnt down the Mornington Peninsula national park - Have a fire safety plan 45.00 – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes, for TJM - Do you dress to impress? - Charlotte Hornets value going down for not getting pick #1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

0.30 – Tim went to a funeral yesterday - If Tim passes before Garry, Tim is happy to allocate a 10 minute spot for Garry at the funeral - Wants Garry to start sombre and heavy, but then bring them home with a big laugh at the end - Garry says it’s one of the great signs of respect to go to a funeral 9.00 – Garry’s neighbours - The lady downstairs is a pianist - She plays at 9:30pm – too late for Garry 10.45 – How many ‘besties’ do you have? - Tim says it started big, but now about 3 - If you can get through life with 3 or 4, you’ve done well 14.00 – Moods - Garry and Tim know each other’s moods well 23.00 – Garry story re: staying at Ian Dicker’s place in Aspen with Hutchy 30.00 – Massages - Tim has often seen a masseuse since playing footy 38.00 – Mark Cuban re: NBA players checking their phone at half time - Played audio from a TED Talk interview he did 46.00 – Stories about coaches - Denis Pagan, Slug Jordan 47.00 – Famring, for Kubota - Update on Garry’s mower 50.00 – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes - Robert De Niro has his seventh child at 79 years of age - Blue Wiggle wants to buy the Wests Tigers - Jacob Van Rooyen tribunal  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 minute – Stories about Dwayne Russell The way he tests his mic before on air for Fox Footy And the caffeine he consumes during a match 4 minutes – Cologne Tim is trying a new cologne today Leaving reviews for items you’ve brought (cologne, clothing) 11 minutes – Ferreting The excitement of it – not a kid in the world that wouldn’t enjoy it 12 minutes – Tim’s enjoyment for matchmaking shows Farmer Wants A Wife, Indian Match Maker, MAFS 17 minutes – Using Google to fix things Garry used it to help fix his chainshaw 20 minutes – ‘All Modesty Aside’ Tim told the story about his Escort Cup goal, leaping over the pack 27 minutes – Tim re: junior trip to Ireland Coached by Don Scott Spoke about Don Scott’s old school coaching tactics The double agent in the side – an Irish man who gave all their tactics to the Irish team 38 minutes – Farming, for Kubota Tim’s leaking dam 45 – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes, for TJM The MET Gala Giannis Antetokounmpo re: success or failed season Measuring success Anthony Albanese and Kyle Sandilands wedding  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 minute – Checking Tyres 5 minutes – Tim’s job at a servo in Dimboola Favourite hamburger fillings 14 minutes – Tim’s chat with a cab driver 18 minutes – When Garry’s dad won 1st division in 1986 Harry Beitzel presented the $1.5million cheque Garry got the nickname ‘dollars’ They went to Disneyland to celebrate 22 minutes – Garry’s trip to Gallipoli Went with a few Essendon players Jobe Watson was one of them, but he slept the whole time! 27 minutes – Tim’s trip to the UK with Jobe Went to a Chelsea match with their Chairman, Ken Bates 36 minutes – Nick Kyrgios drink ‘Alive’ 38 minutes – When Garry met Muhammad Ali All Garry could say was ‘I love you’ Muhammad Ali sent a signed book to Garry 45 minutes – Chat about Ryan Reynolds and Wrexham 52 minutes – Farming for Kubota Chat about ducks 54 minutes – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes for TJM Barry Humphries passing  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2 mins: Brazilian butt lifts 4 mins: Abuse from the crowd Playing at FF wasn’t ideal, because you could hear everything the cheersquad would say 6 mins: Garry told a story about when Gary Ablett Snr knocked him out Lyon had no idea what happened, but he played out the rest of the game Ablett Snr confessed to it, even though he was found to have no case to answer He had found God and confessed, got 3 weeks 13 mins: Tim re: tribunal The players would sit in the same waiting room and work out their stories before they went in There was a players’ code – broken by David Polkinghorne Tim re: being reported for hitting Greg Healy and Tony Liberatore 18 mins: Garry re: being reported Reported once for a jumper punch And reported twice for abusing an umpiring 23 mins: Tim funny story about time he met Barry Humphries – followed by Dame Edna 30 mins: The selfish nature of sport Played audio of JR Smith re: being a better rounded person 37 mins: International Rules stories Dog on the field ‘Probably our best player’ 39 mins: Farming, for Kubota Cutting down a tree Can Garry/Tim compared their dams 44 mins: Quick Fire Rabbit Holes Loved Gather Round Vegemite 100 years old Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Start – Welcome – chat about Tyres and Tyrepower Do you check your tyres often? Garry has his car serviced regularly 3 mins – Gather Round Tim hasn’t travelled for footy for over 5 years – it’s been a while for Garry too Used to travel every week Tim stories about travelling – used to have premium VIP service 16 mins – The Truth newspaper 21 mins – Old Man Crawf Chat about a Footy Show skit 30 minutes – Bomber from the Bush Recapped some of the best bits Tim re: The Sun newspaper photoshoot (front page) Sheedy taking over as coach Playing with Paul Vander Haar 41 minutes – Farming, for Kubota Woodsplitting 47 minutes – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes The Masters iPhone tip Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 min – Easter this weekend Hot Crossed Buns – Garry has never had one 5 minutes – Garry’s Telstra issue Had a problem after missing one bill (in 25 years!), because he got a new credit card 10 minutes – Re-capping Tim’s doco/interview – Bomber from the Bush Interview with Sandy Roberts Played some audio from the doco 15 minutes – Joseph Gutnik days at Melbourne 1996 – Melbourne/Hawks merger situation – Garry and the players were told the club wouldn’t exist past 1996 The final match of the year vs. Hawks – the ‘merger game’ – Hawks won by 1 point Vote in September, horrible time Garry felt like Melbourne were selling their soul – but the only options were to merge, or to get Gutnik in 1997 – Gutnik essentially sacks Neil Balme on air (Meloburne radio) – three weeks later Balme was gone Garry strong that the president can’t go sacking the coach at half time of a match The week after Neil Balme was sacked, Garry played (had missed the season injured) – it was Greg Hutchison’s first game as coach Garry had a huge crack in the rooms at a board member that made an off the cuff comment about Garry’s injury payments 44 minutes – Farming, for Kubota Dealing with Kangaroos on the farm How do you control them? 50 minutes – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes LIV vs PGA – for the Masters Garry’s time at the Grand Prix Played a clip from AIR – the movie about Sonny Vaccaro, Phil Knight, Michael Jordan Donald Trump situation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 minute – Chat about hair How often do you get a haircut? Why Tim hasn’t completely shaved his hair off 3 minutes – Planning a holiday for later in the year When is the best time to take leave Last year they had a holiday at the same place, same time… But Tim thinks it’s better to go somewhere different so they don’t have the same stories 7 minutes – Grand Prix this weekend Garry told the story about his time in the celebrity race Who else was in the race – Richard Wilkins, Daley Thompson, Thomas Muster, Kristy Hinze, Steve Price The week leading up – lots of practice, a few prangs but when they arrive the next day the car was ready to go again Garry finished third – it was completely nerve-wracking 22 minutes – Played audio of Garry with Dipper in 1995 Garry was out with concussion – told a story about his experience with temporary amnesia 32 minutes – Clothing and fashion Tim’s interest in fashion Garry loves Lululemon Tim likes wearing Cashmere in winter – Buck Mason 40 minutes – Farming segment for Kubota 50 minutes – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes Wangaratta Magpies lose their premiership. Tim told the story about the time he forgot Greg Hutchison’s name (caretaker Melbourne coach)  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 minute – Morning routine for Breakfast radio Tim spoke about his 4:48am alarm How to wake yourself up properly – even during the day – wash your face with cold water How many coffees per day is too many? 10 minutes – Is Luke Beveridge’s teeth fair game? Gaz says he has been involved with that sort of thing previously, so he doesn’t want to preach – but it was uncomfortable to watch Beveridge wasn’t brought along with the gag 14 minutes – Ch 9 vs Ch 7 news Tim doesn’t like being in the story, doesn’t like the tacky clickbait TJ’s clip for Ch 7 – Tim doesn’t want to add fuel to the fire Discussion on how competitive the news world is 17 minutes – Garry’s round 1 Busy working each day Fox Footy broadcast from studio on Friday night, because on Friday they were in a spot which is usually for wheelchair access 21 minutes – On The Couch How do you sort through agenda? 23 minutes – SOS not going into Carlton’s rooms Garry and Tim didn’t have an issue with it Had a wider chat about connection to a football club, even if there’s a falling out Garry told a story about an incident he had with Joseph Gutnik after 1999 25 minutes – Politics Luke Darcy friendship with Peter Dutton Chat about politics – Tim says he was indirectly approached years ago Tim was the Chairman of Community Crime and Safety prevention board Tim story re: tour of Pentridge, in a cell with Julian Knight 37 minutes – The Footy Show story from Garry Mark ‘Chopper’ Read on the Footy Show when Garry was on the panel (Eddie hosting) Chopper wanted to write a kids book with Garry! 39 minutes – Acting – Garry and Tim’s experiences in plays House of Bulger – when the Rock appeared alongside Garry 48 minutes – Quick Fire Rabbit Holes – for TJM Scams – Tim has an ‘activation word’ in his family if they are in need Fisherman at a busy beach – Garry saw it on holidays at Jervis Bay. A guy fishing in the middle of everyone Why are Finnish people the happiest in the world? 53 minutes – Farming, for Kubota Look after your equipment  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

THE RABBIT HOLE – for Tyrepower 1 minute – intro and welcome Previewed some of the potential topics today Head down the Rabbit Hole, for TJM 4 minutes – Garry’s raspy voice Extra voiceover work for new AFL video game Garry did it a couple of years ago, but the change this year is they needed to put non-binary commentary in as well Gus Gould did it for the NRL, but didn’t get through it all – went to his car and didn’t come back! 9 minutes – Excitement for round 1 Tim’s first memory of loving the game – watching 1966 Grand Final in his great auntie’s living room Gaz used to follow his dad everywhere, as he was coach of the local footy team Gaz told a story how his dad introduced him to John Kennedy Gaz used to be the mascot for his old man’s team – used to go to the coin toss with him each week – at Mortlake, Portland and Kyabram Tim re: listening to the footy on the radio as a kid Reflecting on country footy – growing up and watching it each Saturday afternoon 23 minutes – Tim on his debut – round 6, 1977 Tim explained how he was drafted – got the letter from the Bombers at 15 years of age, slept with it and read it everyday Says he shouldn’t have been played at the age of 15 35 minutes – Gaz on how he was recruited to Melbourne On his debut – on Easter weekend. Everything shut on Good Friday and he was in agony with a sore back, couldn’t get it sorted from club doctors 38 minutes – Re-capped Garry’s Saddam Hussain story Played 4 grabs from Garry’s stint on the Today Show and dissected each of them 44 minutes – Farming, for Kubota Chainsaw stories Dangerous to chainsaw on your own 48 minutes – 5 Rabbit Holes – quick fire topics Oscars fashion Breastfeeding in the courtroom Submarines Gary Lineker Ricky Ponting’s $20m house purchase  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 MIN Post footy career moves Garry’s studying history in finance Sales Rep dreams, lawnmowing realities 4 MIN Offers – if Garry ever auditioned or interviewed for a role during/post footy Garry was approached by 2 people for some modelling shots, he had to pay $350 to get it done Tim auditioned for a few things – an international ad. Thought he had the gig sewn up, showed up to the shoot and there was a line out the door. Had to pose with his arm out of the truck door in a blue tradie singlet Also auditioned for Man Oh Man host 9 MIN The story of how Garry was filling in hosting the Today Show in 2003 just before Christmas, and the day just happened to be the one that Saddam Hussein was captured Was hosting the Sunday Footy Show, doing some Any Given Sunday and appearing on The Footy Show Was approached by David Gingell, said to Garry come up to Sydney and do the Today Show. Quiet period heading into Christmas, have some fun. Garry initially said no, but was turned around Channel 9 flew him up Business, nice hotel on the rocks Was watching a movie in bed when the news ticker came up, BREAKING NEWS, SADDAM HUSSEIN CAPTURED, TUNE IN TO THE TODAY SHOW TOMORROW FOR THE LATEST The biggest story of the century has broken, he thought Sam Newman had called the hotel and pranked him Garry’s phone call to the producer the night before, tried to get out of the gig 16 MIN Thought they would pivot him to a sports host gig, he walks in at 3AM and it’s a madhouse. Sits down to makeup, a research girl drops a ream of A4 paper on his desk, says ‘that’s your auto-cue and ins and outs’ “I’ve never read an auto-cue in my life!” John Howard , current Prime Minister was in the building “We now cross to Garry Lyon, who is with Australia’s head of counter terrorism" Never felt more nervous or out of place in his entire life 20 MIN A couple of quotes from articles criticising Garry’s performance   25 MIN Is there a job in the media that you want to do? The pinnacle, the dream gig? Garry interviewing Deontay Wilder at the Super Bowl 29 MIN Are you happy? Tim listened to a podcast on happiness, the boys chat about it existentially. Tim spoke about getting happiness from making pizza dough and making the pizza 33 MIN What makes you happy? Garry is happy when he’s on his farm Tim is happy driving across his property on the Gator, with Brando bounding along behind him Is Brando a good looking dog? Garry says his eyes scare him We might talk dogs next week on the Rabbit Hole 38 MIN Quick whip around a few topics MCG surface chat Ja Morant Dolphins NRL and Munster finger break 41 MIN Farming chat for Kubota 43 min Tim’s obsession with SBS movies Tim says it’s because he got subtitles, and he was partially deaf so he could understand what is going on Finds the stories a bit better Garry thinks its for ulterior motives Tim makes a cup of tea when it gets to that part, he is not interested in it Favourite movie talk – Tim is Shawshank, Garry is Bravehart Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 minute – Headlines last week! The Footy Show story Garry has a bone to pick with Tim about buying coffees 3 minutes – Tim spoke about his weekend looking after grandkids 5 minutes – Garry on the trip to Cathedral “There is no one that makes me laugh more than him” – Garry re: Sam Newman Sam turned up with golf clubs under his arm for the chopper, no golf bag. All to save space on the chopper with weight 9 – minutes Tim’s commentary of a game Garry played in back in 1992 15 minutes – Old Media Stories Recapped Garry’s Footy Show story last week And Tim told a story about when he was offered the role to host Getaway… And how he landed the role with channel 7 With 6 rounds to go in 2000, he told the Saints he was done with coaching… Told Grant Thomas… Left the Saints without a job to go to and Ch 7 called him to have his old job back He was told by Ch 7 that his footy credibility was shot, so he couldn’t work on their footy coverage – instead he read the sport on the weekends (but they paid him more) 22 minutes – George Samios in studio How Tim and George came to know each other How George started on SEN Breakfast, how it all came about Discussed different regions in Australia A good hitting zone for decent wine is $20-40… But you can get the odd good one for $10 Wolf Blass Red Label Shiraz Grenache is just $8 but George rates it… The Grenache is far better quality than what is usually in a cheap bottle “Food, people and wine” is what keeps George happy There are some good cask wines – and better for sustainability Cellars – a lot of people do it for the wrong reasons (to show off) and they fill it with average wines just to make it look big 46 minutes – Kubota Farming segment Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Rabbit Hole – for Tyrepower 1 minute – Intro and explanation for the change of name of the podcast 4 minutes – Told a couple of stories about their parents and their medication 9 minutes – Charles Barkley chat Audio from ‘All The Smoke’ podcast about his daughter not liking sport/basketball 12 minutes – Parents and sport Tim says he didn’t really push Jobe into playing sports Tim told a funny story about Jobe’s first junior game, didn’t get near the footy – the only aggression he showed for the day was in the back seat of the car feuding with his sisters! One of the great parts of being a parent is seeing your kids play and enjoy sport Gaz coached his kids footy teams and loved it, favourite part of the week 16 minutes – Roles in media Tim says everyone wants to host, but it’s not in everyone’s skillset Charles Barkley being pursued to be a host, but Tim isn’t sure that’s for him Garry told a story about when Ch 7 approached him for Live and Kicking in 1999 – The Footy Show Harvey Silver invited him, Jason Dunstall, Billy Brownless and Doug Hawkins for lunch to pitch Live and Kicking to them, to go on Channel 7 28 minutes – Discussion about social media Garry isn’t big on it Tim has one because Ch 7 suggested it to him one day Garry went to TLA this week and they said they could line him up with products for his house renovation, if he uses social media to help promote it Garry asking if he should use Instagram to get the products? 34 minutes – FARMING CHAT – For Kubota Garry and Tim will document the issues, challenges and projects on their farms Today’s issue is in relation to rabbits on the farm Discussed their veggie gardens 40 minutes – General chat Tim has new glasses Jack Ginnivan story Nick Kyrgios new drink brand – Alive 4 field umpires in the AFL this year Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Garry and Tim's weekly podcast - episode 1. Discussion includes their summer holiday, restaurant and dinner etiquette, an in depth discussion with Tim about the Bombers and recent articles where he was mentioned, the Herald Sun top 40 Power list and how Tim got the nickname 'Whispy'. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices