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Behind the Story

Tune in for insightful and informed conversation as Fran McNulty, Paul Cunningham and some of RTÉ's top journalists digest the news stories of the day. Expect deep dives, analysis, interesting guests, and maybe even some laughs along the way.
Email: behindthestory@rte.ie
New episodes every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
- 311 - Blue wave and a red wipeout but where to now?
Democrats are celebrating massive wins in the US mid term elections while Trump and the Republic Party reel from the size of the losses. Justin McCarthy joins Paul from Washington to talk about election night and how things unfolded.
Later, Michael Ricci, Prof of Public Policy at Georgetown University analyses the results, what this win means and whether the MAGA movement is in decline.
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Wed, 04 Nov 2026 - 310 - Pay talks collapse and inside the seizure of the MV Matthew
Despite days of negotiations, the public sector pay talks collapsed and Unions plan a 24 hour strike on Thursday Nov 12th. Work and Technology correspondent Brian O'Donovan joins Karen Creed to explain what happened and why the government is under more pressure now.
Later, Martime Operations Manager with Customs, Andrew Ryan speaks about one of the most dramatic drug seizures in the history of the state. In 2023, over two tonnes of cocaine was discovered on the MV Matthew. Army Rangers boarded and took control of the vessel in storm conditions off the coast of Cork.
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Mon, 02 Nov 2026 - 309 - A conversation with Kevin Bakhurst
Kevin Bakhurst, RTÉ's Director General joins Fran and Paul for a wide ranging interview following the sudden withdrawal of €20 million from the broadcaster's budget for 2027.
Mr Bakhurst discusses his shock at the funding cut but expresses confidence a solution will be reached. Fran and Paul quiz the DG on Ireland, Israel and the Eurovision, Ger Gilroy's new podcast, Fair City and license fee.
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Fri, 30 Oct 2026 - 308 - Israeli elections - what next?
Voters turned out in their highest numbers in decades in an election that was described as make-or-break for Israel, but provisional results suggested no clear path to power for either Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu or his main opponent, Gadi Eisenkot.
On this episode, Alexander Cornwell, senior correspondent for Reuters in Tel Aviv joined Paul Cunningham to explain the political fallout, what happens next and what it means for the wider Middle East region
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Wed, 28 Oct 2026 - 307 - All you need to know about the US midterms
Although President Trump is not on the ballot paper, the US midterm elections will decide how the final phase of his presidency will play out. And there is a lot at stake as Democrats try to win majority control of the US Congress.
On this episode, Dan Geary - Mark Pigott Professor in U.S. History at Trinity College Dublin – guides us through what is happening, where to watch and what it all means for US politics.
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Mon, 26 Oct 2026 - 306 - Israel's key election and hurling's new rules
Israel's general election takes place next week, the first since the 7 October 2023 Hamas-led attacks on Israel. Our Deputy Foreign Editor Heaphy talks to us from Tel Aviv, on what many see as the most pivotal elections in Israel's history, with global implications.
Later, RTÉ’s GAA correspondent Marty Morrissey takes Eamon Horan through the proposed rule changes in hurling.
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Fri, 23 Oct 2026 - 305 - Irish Rail - signal failure and the Triple Lock row
Iarnród Eireann's scrapped IT project is back in the headlines, when it was revealed today that Indra, the company contracted to do the work, is seeking €30m as part of final accounts. Public Policy correspondent with the Irish Times, Martin Wall, joins Paul to explain the background to the failed project and what the plan is to rescue it.
Later, Security analyst, Declan Power discusses the possible end of the Triple Lock and UNFIL mission in Lebanon.
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Wed, 21 Oct 2026 - 304 - France on the brink
Violent protests and looting spread across several cities in France over the weekend, as over a half a million people took to the streets on a wide variety of issues. The authorities plan to implement localised curfews in some areas to deal with the deteriorating situation. Senior lecturer in European Politics at UCC, Emmanuelle Schon Quinlivan joins Paul to explain the background to the crisis.
Later, Adam Maguire discusses the popularity of Chinese EVs and why the EU has security concerns around the increasing level of tech available in the cars.
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Mon, 19 Oct 2026 - 303 - Sally Rooney's stand
Award winning author Sally Rooney's books will no longer be available for sale in the UK due to her support for Palestine Action. Human rights lawyer, Caoilfhoinn Gallagher joins Fran to discuss the situation and why sweeping anti-terrorism legislation is having a far reaching impact on protest and culture.
Later, Arts and Media correspondent Evelyn O'Rourke goes behind the scenes of NBC's Today show and looks at the success of Tourism Ireland's strategy.
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Fri, 16 Oct 2026 - 302 - What's happening at the AI Summit?
Big Tech, Big Business and lots of politicians are attending the International AI Summit at the RDS. Fran and Paul are joined by Bloomberg's Tom MacKenzie to discuss AI in Europe.
Later, Liz Carolan of The Briefing.ie and Charlie Taylor of the Business Post chat about the ups and downs of AI, dress codes and bad merch!
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Wed, 14 Oct 2026 - 301 - How Robert Pether got out of Iraq
After five and a half years of illegal detention in Iraq, Robert Pether landed in Dublin airport on Monday morning. He was greeted by family and friends and spoke of his time in a Baghdad prison and subsequent struggle to survive before he was allowed leave the country.
His lawyer, Irish man Peter Griffin, took up his case, pro-bono in 2021 having heard about Robert's case in his son's school newsletter. Peter speaks to host Karen Creed about the legal fight to secure Robert's release.
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Mon, 12 Oct 2026 - 300 - Execution by firing squad and live streamed
The decision by the US Defence Department to live stream the execution of a man convicted of murdering thirteen unarmed soldiers at a military post in Texas in 2009 has sparked global headlines.
The Pentagon announced earlier this week it would execute Nidal Hasan in December in the first military execution for more than 60 years.
On this episode of Behind The Story we talk to death row lawyer Clive Stafford-Smith who has represented hundreds of people sentenced to death over the past four decades.
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Fri, 09 Oct 2026 - 299 - IVF costs and concern over 'add-on' fertility treatments
IVF services have expanded dramatically over the last few decades. Infertility treatments are widely promoted but concerns are mounting over how effective and/or safe some of these 'add-ons' are.
RTÉ Investigates Deputy Editor Aoife Hegarty joins Paul to discuss 'Fertility Uncovered' documentary that includes stories of couples trying to have a baby and also looks at public funding for IVF.
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Wed, 07 Oct 2026 - 298 - BONUS - Budget special - will there be any more money in your pocket?
Ministers Harris and Chambers unveiled Budget 27 in the Dáil this afternoon. Income tax changes, welfare increases, carbon tax paused, just some of the headline announcements but will there be any more money in your pocket when inflation is taken into account?
Chief Economist with Deloitte Ireland, Kate English joins Fran and Paul on a whistlestop tour of the key points of the budget.
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Tue, 06 Oct 2026 - 297 - New charges on parcels and Andrew takes legal action
From next month, another new charge will come into effect on goods bought outside the EU. The €2 'union handling fee' will be implemented on Nov 1st, this is in addition to the €3 customs charge that had applied since July. Consumer Affairs correspondent Aengus Cox joins Fiona Mitchell to explain the new fees and how customers may not be aware of the new charges.
Later, Chief Royal Correspondent with Newsweek, Jack Royston discuss ex Prince Andrew's decision to take legal action against the police over the search warrants used during his arrest in February this year.
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Mon, 05 Oct 2026 - 296 - Proteinmaxxing: just how much protein do you really need?
Protein water? protein cereal or how about protein infused vodka? Protein products are everywhere but earlier this week the Bank of America issued a warning to the food industry that the protein craze could have peaked.
Dietician Sarah Keogh and RTE business desk reporter Adam Maguire join Fran to discuss the products, proteinmaxxing, who's making money and how much protein does a person really need.
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Fri, 02 Oct 2026 - 295 - Strikes on the horizon? and foul play at Man City!
Thousands of public sector workers began a work to rule in protest at the government's reluctance to talk pay! Teachers, nurses and other sectors are threatening further strike action in the coming weeks. Work and Technology correspondent Brian O'Donovan joins Paul to explain what's going on.
Later, hacking, leaking and dishonesty at the heart of one of the Premier League's biggest clubs. Football finance expert, Associate Professor Kieran Maguire discusses the allegations of dodging dealings at Manchester City.
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Wed, 30 Sep 2026 - 294 - Garvaghy Road stand-off and online house bidding
The stand-off between protestors and the Orange Order continues on the Garvaghy Road in Portadown. Sinn Fein and the DUP clash over the proposed parade with the row threatening to collapse the power sharing executive at Stormont. Host Karen Creed is joined by Prof Deirdre Heenan to analyse the situaton.
Later, Political Editor with the Examiner, Elaine Loughlin discusses the online bidding process for buying a house and how concerns are rising around the 'gamification' of bidding and instant alerts.
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Mon, 28 Sep 2026 - 293 - Politics on the pitch - Ireland v Israel
The Republic of Ireland are due to play Israel on Sunday in the Nations League tournament in Hungary but pressure continues to mount on the players and the FAI to pull out of the fixture. Fran and Eamon discuss the increasingly tense situation as more protests are planned this weekend against the games.
Later, UCD Lecturer in Politics Graham Finlay discuss the speeches made at the United Nations this week and whether the UN is fit for purpose as conflicts continue acround the world.
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Fri, 25 Sep 2026 - 292 - The financial shock of cancer
A cancer diagnosis can cost far more than many patients expect. Cancer survivor Aoife Murphy and Irish Cancer Society CEO Nikki Gallagher join Paul Cunningham to reveal how falling incomes and mounting medical and travel expenses can leave families facing a financial crisis alongside treatment.
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Wed, 23 Sep 2026 - 291 - New research on energy drinks and a large fine for Google!
New research by Safefood shows that 12% of 15-24 years old consume an energy drink once a day. Support is also growing for age restrictions on the sugar and caffeine rich drinks. Dietician Sarah Keogh joins Maggie Doyle to discuss the findings and explains why caffeine is linked to sport performance.
Later, Work and Technology correspondent Brian O'Donovan outlines why tech giant Google has been fined over €400 million over the processing of location data.
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Mon, 21 Sep 2026 - 290 - Award winning actor Chris Addison on dark comedy and politics today
Emmy award winning actor, producer and comedian Chris Addison joins Paul and Evelyn to discuss his new comedy drama, Tall Tales and Murder.
Chris, who is also known for playing 'Ollie Reeder' in the cult TV show, The Thick of it, chats political satire in a Trump dominated world, Nigel Farage and why audiences like a bit of dark comedy.
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Fri, 18 Sep 2026 - 289 - Irish acts quit Ed Sheeran tour over 'Free Palestine' row
On Monday, US rapper Macklemore was removed from Ed Sheeran's support acts following comments he made in early September in support of Palestine. Irish artists, Aaron Rowe and Beoga quit the tour in support of Macklemore on Tuesday. Arts and Media correspondent Evelyn O'Rourke joins Paul to explain how this is the biggest controversy facing singer-songwriter ED Sheeran.
Later, Suzanne Lynch of Bloomberg analyses EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen's State of the Union speech
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Wed, 16 Sep 2026 - 288 - All hail Lowry, whiskey tariffs no more!
Golf diplomacy came to the fore this weekend, when President Trump announced he would drop tariffs on Irish whiskey as he presented the Irish Open trophy to Shane Lowry. The dropping of the tariff came as a welcome surprise to the sector. Agriculture and Consumer Affairs correspondent Aengus Cox joins Maggie Doyle to discuss the tariff and what's expected dominate the agenda at the Ploughing Championships.
Later Euronews reporter Shona Murray explains why Canadian Prime Minister is visiting Europe this week in the hope of deepening the relationship with the EU.
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Mon, 14 Sep 2026 - 287 - Award winning author Colum McCann on 9/11 and Trump's America
'A damp white loaf' that's how Colum McCann describes US President Donald Trump who arrives in Ireland this weekend. Colum joins Fran to discuss the anniversay of 9/11 and how America has changed since 2001. Colum, who lives in New York with his family shares his thoughts on Mayor Zohran Mamdani, JD Vance and why he remains positive when he thinks about the future of American politics.
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Fri, 11 Sep 2026 - 286 - Hell hath no fury - the row at the heart of the GAA
The plan to integrate camogie and ladies football into the GAA appears to have derailed with the resignation of former President Dr Mary McAleese from the Steering Committee. Dr McAleese didn't hold back in her criticism of the leadership of the association. Jarlath Burns, President of the GAA rejected accusations of misogyny and said the organisation was committed to integration.
Sinead O'Carroll, Editor of The Journal joins Paul to explain what is going on and why this row is a major setback for women and girls playing on teams.
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Wed, 09 Sep 2026 - 285 - Are higher prices here to stay?
Take-away chips, cans of tomatoes, petrol and Netflix - just some of the products that have increased in price and have hit people's pockets. Consumer journalist Caitríona Redmond joins Paul to explain why everything seems to be increasing in price in the supermarket and beyond.
Later, Economics and Public Affairs editor David Murphy discusses how the budget might bring some relief for people and the choices that will face Simon Harris as he unveils his first budget as Minister for Finance in a few weeks time.
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Mon, 07 Sep 2026 - 284 - The Murder of Mr Moonlight - a new drama
A new drama series, The Murder of Mr Moonlight will be coming to screens next year. Commissioned by RTÉ, the cast includes Brendan Coyle as Bobby Ryan, aka Mr Moonlight who was murdered by Patrick Quirke in 2011. Arrested in 2013 and found guilty by a jury in 2019, the Quirke trial was one of Ireland's longest running court cases. The case prompted huge public interest and is now being made into a drama for national and international audiences.
Barry Cummins, Author and co-host of the podcast 'Unsolved', joins Fran and Evelyn to reflect on the case and reveal some of Quirke's behaviour in and out of the court.
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Fri, 04 Sep 2026 - 283 - Is Europe going to get tough with Russia?
Tough talk from EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen hung over the informal meeting of EU Foreign Ministers in Wicklow. On Tuesday, Germany blamed Russia for a failed drone attack on Leipzig airport in August. Minister for Foreign Affairs Helen McEntee said it was clear Russia was trying to divide the EU while EU's top diplomat, Kaja Kallas labelled the Russia attack as 'state-sponsored terrorism'.
Paul and Laura are joined by Eddy Wax of Euractiv and by Keir Giles, Russia expert to discuss the developments.
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Wed, 02 Sep 2026 - 282 - What do we know about the new state-backed investment scheme?
Tánaiste and Minister for Finance Simon Harris gave some details today on the new state-backed personal investment account which aims to make investing more accessible to the wider public. Financial planner and podcaster Eoin McGee joins Laura Fletcher to discuss what's known about the scheme and why it differs from previous schemes like SSIAs. And while some details are known, Eoin reveals what he will be looking for on budget day when the finer detail will be announced.
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Mon, 31 Aug 2026 - 281 - Lake 'America' - Canada goes 'Elbows Up'!
At the stroke of a pen, Lake Ontario became Lake 'America' according to US President Donald Trump. This move was in retaliation for Canada announcing it would impose tariffs on the United States following the collapse of trade talks between the two countries. Justin Ling, columnist with the Toronto Sar joins Eamon Horan to talk lakes, trade and the ever-changing relationship between the US and Canada.
Meanwhile in Laois, Electric Picnic kicks off with Irish acts dominating the lineup and fans looking forward to a weekend of music and entertainment. RTÉ's Evelyn O’Rourke chats Fontaines DC, CMAT and 'the Green and Red of Mayo'
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Fri, 28 Aug 2026 - 280 - Remembering Dolly
Fran is joined by Grammy award winning musician Rhiannon Giddens and by Tennessee native and Communications specialist Amy Seigenthaler to reflect on the extraordinary career of music legend Dolly Parton who passed away on Tuesday night.
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Wed, 26 Aug 2026 - 279 - New rules on repairs and 'Economic Fury'!
New EU rules come into force today to encourage people to repair rather than replace broken appliances. Work and Technology correspondent, Brian O'Donovan joins host Karen Creed to explain how the new rules work and the types of devices that are covered under the new system.
Later, as the US threatens Iran with more sanctions, DCU Associate Professor Michael Breen discusses the so called 'Economic Fury' that the administration is planning to unleash.
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Mon, 24 Aug 2026 - 278 - 'Reverse Megxit' - Harry and Meghan's return to the UK
Harry and Meghan's surprise announcement that they are moving back to the UK in the coming weeks caught most people by surprise [including the Palace]. Aengus Cox is joined by historian Prof Kate Williams to unravel the complex family relationships that this relocation is going to create. How will William and Kate respond to the move?
Later, brand expert with marketing company Core, Ruth Gleeson discusses Harry and Meghan's brand and whether £12 strawberry jam will sell on this side of the Atlantic.
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Fri, 21 Aug 2026 - 277 - Synthetic drugs, vapes and a closer look at the Healy-Rae row
New psychoactive substances are being discovered in vape products sold in Ireland. The HSE says 'agile' legislation is needed to deal with this trend. Prof Matthew Sadlier joins Juilette Gash to discuss the concerns around HHC and synthetic drugs or so called 'spice'.
Later, documentary maker Jerry Kennelly discusses his new TV doc on the Healy-Raes and how one interview in particular got quite heated!
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Wed, 19 Aug 2026 - 276 - The fatal M9 crash and social media 'likes'.
Five teenagers dead, four people from the same family in a serious condition in hospital. The teens were driving a stolen BMW on the wrongside of the motorway when they hit the other car. There have been several other similar incidents over the past few months of teens driving dangerously and posting on social media. Presenter Karen Creed is joined by Robin Schiller of the Irish Independent to get the latest on the crash.
Later Professor Niamh Hourigan of MI and UCD Researcher Donal O'Hare discuss the role social media plays in driver behaviour.
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Mon, 17 Aug 2026 - 275 - Who killed Mayo GAA fan Joe Deacy?
How did a 21-year-old London Irish man who loved his ancestral home of Mayo come to meet a violent death in the place he adored ? Mystery still surrounds how Joe Deacy ended up on the driveway of a rural house in the early hours, with serious injuries nine years ago. Barry Lenihan speaks to Fran and explains the complex and tragic story of what happened to Joe and how the family are desperate for help to find justice for their son.
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Fri, 14 Aug 2026 - 274 - Trump's Great 'Catering Truck' Escape!
President Trump was secretly moved off Air Force One and put on another plane owing to a credible threat from Iran on July 8th. But how did the plan come together? Fran is joined by former US Secret Service agent, Bobby McDonald who reveals the thinking behind some of these decisions.
Later, journalist and entrepreneur Mark Little, who travelled on Air Force One when working as RTÉ's Washington correspondent, discusses the elaborate plan.
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Wed, 12 Aug 2026 - 273 - Farming in hot weather and Nigel Farage v Count Binface
The continuing dry spells and increasing temperatures are proving a challenging environment for farmers. Host Aengus Cox speaks to Tom Curran of Teagasc to hear how farming may have to adapt to warmer summers in the future.
Later, Lucy Fisher, Whitehall editor with the Financial Times, discusses the forthcoming Clacton by election where Count Binface is mounting a charge against Nigel Farage.
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Mon, 10 Aug 2026 - 272 - Meta glasses: cool tech or pervert specs? and what's happening with Hamas?
As some pubs and venues in the UK move to ban Meta glasses, Fran is joined by tech reporter, Kelly Earley to chat about the growing demand for smart specs, the use of Kylie Jenner in Meta's branding and why concerns loom large over features like secret recording.
Later, Dr Julie Norman, Middle East Fellow with Chatham House speaks to Fran about Hamas and how Northern Ireland's decommissioning process is featuring in the talks.
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Fri, 07 Aug 2026 - 271 - A hot July and oil companies make billions in profit
New figures from Met Éireann show July was one of the hottest, driest and sunniest months on record. But will Irish society have to adjust to cope with the changing climate? And what does it mean for food production? Also, some of the world's largest oil companies announced huge profits despite the US-Iran war. Oisin Coghlan, policy advisor to the Irish Environmental Network joins Fran and Juilette to discuss the changing climate and what it means for government policy.
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Wed, 05 Aug 2026 - 270 - Are listed buildings holding up development?
Moore St, GPO, James Weir building, RTÉ campus: just some of the many listed buildings that are part of Ireland's heritage, but are restrictions on their use and climate obligations holding up future development of these buildings? UCD Assistant Professor of Architecture Orla Hegarty joins Fran for a chat about why buildings are protected and what can be done with some of the ones lying idle.
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Mon, 03 Aug 2026 - 269 - FIFA row, Infantino under pressure and rebuilding Gaza
As more football associations express opposition to Gianni Infantino's proposal to sell off part of the FIFA World Cup, Infantino himself is coming under pressure. Fran and Eamon are joined by Sky's Rob Harris who broke the story that a senior FIFA advisor resigned today over the plans. Rob shares his insights into the pressure coming on the FIFA President now.
Later, Jim Clarken of Oxfam discusses the $71 billion price tag to rebuild Gaza.
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Fri, 31 Jul 2026 - 268 - The sudden death of Oscar-winning musician Glen Hansard
Singer-songwriter Glen Hansard died in a motorcycle crash today. His sudden death has shocked fans and the music world at home and abroad. Music journalist, John Meagher of the Irish Independent joins Tommy Meskill to reflect on his legacy.
Later, Tommy speaks to reporter Kate Varley who is in Bordeaux about the wildfires and the battle to contain them.
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Wed, 29 Jul 2026 - 267 - Mayo magic and the psychologist behind the team!
Mayo banished decades of losses and a rumoured curse to lift the Sam Maguire trophy and become All Ireland Football Champions after a wait of seventy five years. Host Brian O'Donovan speaks to reporter Damian Lawlor who was pitchside for the historic win.
Later, sports psychologist to the Mayo team, Dr Rachel Sheehan talks to Brian about the win and how she worked with the players and manager Andy Moran.
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Mon, 27 Jul 2026 - 266 - Bomb found in car near border and Dior comes to Dublin
Garda Commissioner Justin Kelly has described as "extremely significant" the discovery of a bomb in car that was stopped while being driven across the border. Robin Schiller of the Irish Indo joins Fran to outline what it's known so far about the investigation.
Later, fashion historian Laura Fitzachary explains why the news of Jonathan Anderson deciding to show the Autumn-Winter collection of Dior in Trinity College Dublin is global news.
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Fri, 24 Jul 2026 - 265 - Open AI: rogue hack or hype?
OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT said one of it's models had gone rogue during security testing and hacked another company, calling it an 'unprecedented cyber incident'. Professor Barry O'Sullivan of UCC Computer Science joins host Brian O'Donovan to explain the cyber hack but also whether or not, it's as big a deal as being protrayed.
Later, Chief Economist with Deloitte, Kate English discusses her favourite July activity - the Summer Economic Statement!
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Wed, 22 Jul 2026 - 264 - Britain's new PM and changes to law around E scooters use
Andy Burnham became Britain's 7th prime minister in a decade. He gave his first speech outside Downing Street and RTÉ's Fiona Mitchell joins Evelyn and Brian to discuss the day's events and what Burnham's premiership might mean for Ireland.
Evelyn and Brian also discuss the significant changes to the laws around E scooter use, including banning their use for under 18s and mandatory requirement to wear hi-viz jacket and helmet from August.
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Mon, 20 Jul 2026 - 263 - Secrets of Croke Park on All Ireland Final day!
The government plans to roll out a new digital wallet which could contain a person's driving license and other important identity documents. Tech Editor with the Irish Independent, Adrian Weckler explains how the wallet might work.
And with a massive weekend of sport ahead, Fran and Eamon chat to a man who works behind the scenes at Croke Park and hear what happens on match days!
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Fri, 17 Jul 2026 - 262 - Chawke siblings jailed for unprovoked assault
On Tuesday, Bill and Alison Chawke were given a custodial sentence for assaulting two men in a hotel in 2023. Limerick Leader senior reporter, Sandra Quinn was in the circuit court as the sentence was handed down and joins Paul to explain the case and how the brother and sister reacted to the jail sentence.
Later, as the Dáil rises for summer, Political correspondent Mícheál Lehane runs through some of the highs and lows of the term.
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Wed, 15 Jul 2026 - 261 - What's behind Intel's investment in Ireland? and remembering Sam Neill
Intel announced a €5billion investment in it's facility in Kildare and is promising hundreds of new jobs. The turnaround in the company's fortunes is significant. RTÉ's Brian O'Donovan joins Evelyn to chat about the announcement and how the US government played a role in the renewed success of the chip maker.
Later, Entertainment journalist, Brian Lloyd remembers Sam Neill, the Irish-NZ actor who died recently and had a hugely successful career.
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Mon, 13 Jul 2026 - 260 - Wildfires, heatwaves and bonfires!
As wildfires rage in Spain, several countries have issued heatwave warnings for the next few days. New research from Oxford University indicates that it may be time for governments to adopt specific measures to help people cope in extreme heat. Shiv Yucel joins Fran to discuss how heat is impacting people's daily lives.
Later, RTÉ's Conor McCauley outlines the background to the Moygashel bonfire and where those pallets come from!
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Fri, 10 Jul 2026 - 259 - Inside the Dublin District Court where some people are representing themselves
It's just over a week since solicitors walked out and refused to handle legal aid cases in a row over a new payment scheme. Reporter Dyane Connor joins Paul from the district court in Dublin and shares stories from today's sittings where in some cases, people are representing themselves or being sent back to jail as they have no legal representation.
Later, reporter Tania Reut discusses how many years of salary buys a home in Ireland versus Europe.
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Wed, 08 Jul 2026 - 258 - What happened to Kelly Marie Lynch?
Twenty three year old Kelly Marie Lynch was found dead near Horseshow Bridge in Monaghan on St Patrick's Day 2024. While an initial post mortem report concluded that Kelly had died by drowning, subsequent reviews by other pathologists disagreed with this conclusion. The Lynch family are seeking answers regarding what really happened their daughter that weekend.
Documentary maker, Alan Bradley has made a documentary 'The Girl in the Water' about the case and he joins Paul Cunningham to discuss the case.
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Mon, 06 Jul 2026 - 257 - US celebrates July 4th and Taylor Swift's wedding
The 250th anniversary of American Independence is celebrated this weekend and millions of people are taking part in events around the country. But first, global superstar Taylor Swift is marrying NFL Star Travis Kelce in a 'intimate' ceremony in Madison Square Garden!
US Correspondent Jackie Fox joins host Eamon Horan to discuss the celebrations. Later, broadcaster Cormac Ó hEadhra chats about a new documentary focusing on the pivotal role Irish people played in the American Revolution.
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Fri, 03 Jul 2026 - 256 - Inside Dublin Castle for the opening ceremony of the EU Presidency
As Ireland's takes over the Presidency of the EU, Paul Cunningham and Juilette Gash go inside Dublin Castle to see what's happening at the opening ceremony. RTÉ's Europe Editor, Tony Connelly and Irish Times Europe correspondent Jack Power discuss the speeches and what hosting the Presidency means.
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Wed, 01 Jul 2026 - 255 - Phasing out excise cuts and increasing retirement age
Cuts in excise on diesel and petrol are due to expire at the end of July, however the Government will decide over the next twenty hours what the timeline will be to gradually phase out the reductions. Political Correspondant Michéal Lehane joins host Adam Maguire to discuss the decision facing Ministers.
Later, Deirdre Malone, Employment Law Head at EY Law Ireland explains the changes to the retirement age that are coming into effect today.
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Mon, 29 Jun 2026 - 254 - 30 years since the murder of Veronica Guerin
It was this day 30 years ago that saw one of the most shocking killings in the history of the Irish state - the murder of crime journalist Veronica Guerin.
Fran is joined by the Irish Independent's Paul Williams to mark the anniversary.
Paul discusses the day itself, its aftermath and the legacy that lives through to today in how the state tackles gangland crime. He also discusses his own experiences being a crime journalist at the time and the threats made to his life.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Fri, 26 Jun 2026 - 253 - Will drug decriminalisation actually happen?
The Joint Committee on Drugs Use has recommended the decriminalisation of possession of all drugs for personal use - Fran and Paul discuss exactly what is in the report and whether it will even come to pass.
Later, Lisbon-based journalist Alison Roberts joins the pod to outline the experience from Portugal - which became the first country to adopt the measure in 2001.
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Wed, 24 Jun 2026 - 252 - What is Andy Burnham like?
As Keir Starmer announces his resignation as UK Prime Minister, Andy Burnham looks set to be the man to take over for him but what will his premiership look like?
Fran is joined by one man who co-wrote a book with Burnham - the Liverpool Echo's Political Editor Liam Thorp.
Later, Aengus Cox explains how new customs charges could make online shopping a lot more expensive.
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Mon, 22 Jun 2026 - 251 - Burnham wins, Peter Thiel's Irish conference and one week of the World Cup
Prime Time's Jack McCarron joins Fran and Eamon to discuss whether a Peter Thiel backed conference could land in Ireland.
Fran and Eamon also discuss why Andy Burnham's emphatic win in Makerfield could crown him Prime Minister.
Plus there's the biggest storylines from week one of the World Cup and a chat on the strangest places the lads have broadcast from.
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Fri, 19 Jun 2026 - 250 - Will Andy Burnham make it in Makerfield?
An election on Thursday in the UK could ultimately determine who leads the country.
Andy Burnham is running in the Makerfield bye-election with his eyes set on a subsequent British Labour Party leadership battle.
James Lyons, former director of strategic communications at 10 Downing Street under Keir Starmer, tells Fran and Paul why the stakes could not be higher.
They also discuss if they would move to Lovely Leitrim, and how MEPs voted on so-called 'return hubs' for illegal migrants in the EU.
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Wed, 17 Jun 2026 - 249 - Social media ban for under 16s in the UK and new search for missing women
Children under age 16 will soon be banned from social media in the UK under proposals announced by British Prime Minister Keir Starmer today.
It comes as Tánaiste Simon Harris said Ireland should follow suit with the UK – but added that he hopes “this is an issue that Europe can arrive at a consensus on”.
Work and Technology Correspondent Brian O'Donovan joins Fran to discuss why there are so many variations of bans around - and how they're not as airtight as some people would like.
Brian also talks about Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney's visit to Ireland and why he missed his country's World Cup game.
Later, Crime Editor with the Irish Sun Stephen Breen discusses the latest search for missing women Deirdre Jacob and Jo Jo Dullard amid hopes for a breakthrough.
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Mon, 15 Jun 2026 - 248 - The Ireland Israel match that won't be played in Dublin
The Republic of Ireland's upcoming match against Israel will no longer be played in Dublin, a decision that has sparked debate far beyond football.
Fran McNulty and Evelyn O'Rourke are joined by Irish Times Sports Correspondent Gavin Cooney to discuss one of the most talked-about stories in Irish sport.
They also take in the opening days of the World Cup, the spectacle of UFC heading to the White House and the huge summer of concerts beginning across Ireland.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Fri, 12 Jun 2026 - 247 - Violence in the North and Dublin's illegal clamp cutters
On today's Behind the Story, Paul and Fran examine the racist violence that erupted in Northern Ireland following a stabbing incident, exploring the scapegoating of migrants and economic insecurity in fuelling unrest, and how social media can amplify tensions and spread misinformation.
They also investigate why nearly one-in-ten Dublin City Council wheel clamps are being illegally removed or destroyed - and whether motorists are taking enforcement into their own hands.
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Wed, 10 Jun 2026 - 246 - The Kinahan lieutenant who directed murder
Sean McGovern, one of the most senior figures in the Kinahan Organised Crime Group to be convicted in the Irish courts, has been sentenced to 24 years in prison for directing the gang's activities in relation to the murder of Noel Kirwan and the attempted murder of James Gately.
The sentencing hearing provided a rare insight into how the Kinahan organisation operated at the height of the Hutch-Kinahan feud, revealing the use of tracker devices, encrypted communications and sophisticated surveillance operations to identify and target victims.
Fran McNulty is joined by RTÉ Prime Time reporter Paul Murphy to examine the significance of the sentence, McGovern's role within the Kinahan organisation, and what the case reveals about the inner workings of one of Ireland's most powerful criminal networks.
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Mon, 08 Jun 2026 - 245 - Row at the Rotunda and fight at Croke Park!
A row has broken out between the Minister for Health Jennifer Carroll MacNeill and the Rotunda Hospital over the issue of public only consultants doing private work in the hospital. But what exactly is going on? Priscilla Lynch of the Medical Independent joins Fran and Eamon to explain the disagreement and why the Minister is threatening to withhold funding to the hospital.
Later, Eamon and Fran discuss the much anticipated Katie Taylor fight at Croke Park in September and if the ambition of selling out the stadium can be realized.
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Fri, 05 Jun 2026 - 244 - A new scrappage scheme and how the murder of Henry Nowak sparked riots
Minister for Transport, Darragh O'Brien is set to introduce a new €10million pilot scrappage scheme to encourage drivers to switch to electric cars. Paul and Fran discussed the proposed scheme and how it is designed to favour people living in rural Ireland.
Later, the duo are joined by journalist Vincent McAviney who explains the background to the riots in Southampton on Tuesday night. Bodycam footage released by the police showed Henry handcuffed and struggling to breathe after being stabbed. Instead of assisting the dying teenager, police were reading him his rights.
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Wed, 03 Jun 2026 - 243 - Looking ahead to the World Cup
With just 10 days to go to the World Cup, Fran is joined by Sky Sports correspondent Rob Harris for a chat about the tournament. The duo discuss tickets, travel costs and with Iran switching it's training base to Mexico, it is possible to host the games without politics getting in the way?!
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Mon, 01 Jun 2026 - 242 - Trump's birthday plans and celebrating Freedom 250!
Construction is underway for the staging of a UFC fight on the front lawn of the White House to mark President Trump's 80th birthday in June. Numerous other events and projects are also in the pipeline to celebrate the 250th anniversary of American Independence in July.
Niall Stanage, Associate Editor with The Hill joins Fran and Sharon to discuss the plans and where the money is coming from to pay for the celebrations.
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Fri, 29 May 2026 - 241 - A campervan, coffee machines and a slouch pouch onesie: Nicola Sturgeon's husband's spending spree!
Peter Murrell, estranged husband of former First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon pled guilty this week to embezzlling £400k from the Scottish National Party. Over a 12 years period, Mr Murrell spent money from the party on luxury items. Ms Sturgeon, has denied all knowledge of his behaviour. Veteran reporter Brian Taylor joins Fiona and Paul to discuss the case and the fallout to it.
Later, Fiona and Paul tease out the latest suggestion from President Trump that countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey should sign the Abrahams Accords as part of the US-Iran peace deal. Fiona explains why this is problematic!
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Wed, 27 May 2026 - 240 - Development in Kyran Durnin murder case and chatbots in elections
A woman has been arrested as part of the investigation into the disappearance and murder of Kyran Durnin. Crime correspondent Paul Reynolds joins Fran with the latest.
Later, Liz Carolan of The Briefing.ie and Dr Eoghan Cunningham of UCD discuss new research into chatbots in the recent Dublin Central and Galway West by elections and examine how political messaging on social media is changing.
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Mon, 25 May 2026 - 239 - Did the Gaza flotilla change the mood music? and the 'Steroid' Olympics!
Fourteen Irish citizens are en route back to Ireland following their deportation by Israel. They were part of the Global Sumud Flotilla along with hundreds of other activists. The government and EU leaders have expressed dismay at the actions of the Israeli authorites. So, has the political mood changed as a result?
Later, Fran and Eamon are joined by former Olympic swimmer Nick O'Hare to discuss the inaugural Enhanced Games dubbed the 'steroid olympics' that take place in Las Vegas this weekend. Controversy surrounds the event, as drugs, normally banned in sport, are allowed at these games.
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Fri, 22 May 2026 - 238 - Meta job losses, AI and RTÉ at the committee [again]
The scale of possible job losses announced by Meta today, came as a surprise to many, up to 350 people could be made redundant in the coming months. Brian O'Donovan joins Fran and Paul to outline the situation and later, Tara McIndoe-Calder of the ESRI discusses AI and it's impact on future work.
Fran and Paul also discuss the latest appearance by RTÉ management at the media committee.
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Wed, 20 May 2026 - 237 - Inside the Michael Gaine case, and the UK-EU deal
RTÉ's Southern Editor Paschal Sheehy joins David and Fran from Kerry to give them an insight into the investigation into Michael Gaine's death.
There was a major development last Friday after the discovery of human tissue in slurry.
Although testing is yet to be completed, gardaí are working under the assumption that the remains are those of the missing farmer, and a man known to Michael Gaine has been arrested.
Also in the news today is the deal struck between the UK and the EU.
David and Fran discuss its ins and outs as hardcore Brexiteers have criticised Keir Starmer, while others are welcoming the shorter airport queues.
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Mon, 19 May 2025 - 236 - Varadkar goes horse-riding and would banning kids from social media work?
Katie reflects on comments by former Taoiseach Leo Varadkar in the TV show ‘Uncharted’ on how he used to get regular abuse both in person and online and how the downsides of public life eventually overtook the good sides.
The trio also discuss the impact of social media on children and the growing industry of child influencers. They tease out if Ireland could follow Australia's lead and ban social media for under 16s.
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Fri, 16 May 2025 - 235 - The curious case of Ursula von der Leyen’s WhatsApps
Europe's highest court has sided with the New York Times after it challenged the EU Commission on its witholding of texts between its President Ursula von der Leyen and Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla.
The texts were sent ahead of the EU agreeing a deal for 1.8 billion vaccine doses in May 2021.
Fran, David and RTÉ’s Europe Editor Tony Connelly dissect the finer details of the case and go through why it is so significant.
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Wed, 14 May 2025 - 234 - Trump’s crypto schemes, ‘worthless’ deals, and Qatar’s wooden horse?
US President Donald Trump is embarking on a visit to the Middle East this week, and as he steps onto his plane it’s another one from the Qataris that has been making the headlines.
Reports suggest the country will gift him a new Air Force One jet, and its being dubbed the “palace in the sky”.
Fran and David discuss the latest news around the US president, which also includes a “deal” with China to end the tariff tit-for-tat, and another one in the UK that “isn’t worth the paper its written on” according to Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.
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Mon, 12 May 2025 - 233 - The Good, The Bad and The AI
This week the Government published new AI guidelines for the public sector, which got David, Katie, and Fran thinking about the tech’s rapid growth.
AI is proving transformative for many industries, like health and education, but it is also threatening jobs, a generator for misinformation, and being used for scams.
The trio discuss the technology’s rise, and how it will impact us all in the near future.
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Fri, 09 May 2025 - 232 - Gaza aid blockade, Eurovision and Conclave
David, Katie and Fran discuss the Gaza aid blockade and RTÉ's call for discussion around Israel's participation in next week's Eurovision. The trio also tease out how the Papal Conclave will work and who might be the next Pope.
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Wed, 07 May 2025 - 231 - Trump's golf buddy wants Irish Ambassador gig
Fran and Katie are joined by reporter Jackie Fox to talk US politics, as the country is in the process of selecting its next ambassador to Ireland.
Trump’s golf buddy Edward Walsh is the current front-runner for the position, and yesterday he was told by the Chairman of Senate Foreign Relations Committee that Ireland’s recognition of a Palestinian state was a ‘mistake’.
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Fri, 02 May 2025 - 230 - Where do Kneecap go from here?
Fran, David and Katie discuss the recent controversy around the band, Kneecap. The band claims their controversial remarks were taken out of context, but Fran and Katie question what context those incidents are supposed to be taken in. The hosts look at their future gigs, from Glastonbury to their US tour due in October, and how their critics are mounting pressure on the organisers.
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Wed, 30 Apr 2025 - 229 - Behind the Story - Trailer
Tune in for insightful and informed conversation as three of RTÉ’s top journalists, David McCullagh, Katie Hannon and Fran McNulty digest some of the news stories of the day. Expect deep dives, analysis, interesting guests and maybe even some laughs along the way.
New episodes every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
Starts April 30th 2025.
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Fri, 25 Apr 2025 - 228 - How supermarkets learn about your shopping habits and predicting floods
Supermarkets are increasingly using information about customer shopping habits to develop new pricing structures and influence how you shop. Consumer journalist Caitriona Redmond joins Fran for a chat about dynamic pricing, robots and AI shopping trolleys.
Later, Environment correspondent, George Lee speak to Fran about a new flood prediction app that uses publicly available information to predict where flooding will occur.
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Mon, 18 May 2026 - 227 - Kneecap, Eurovision and the rise of authoritarianism!
As a terror charge against Kneecap's Mo Chara is dropped by a London court, David and Evelyn discuss the case and the decision by Eurovision organisers to hold a vote amongst EBU members on whether Israel should be allowed participate in next year's competition.
Later, the duo are joined by Associate Professor of Politics in UCD, Alex Dukalskis who has co-written a book entitled 'Dictating the Agenda: The Authoritarian Resurgence in World Politics'. Alex believes the policies of President Trump are actually helping authoritarian regimes - while the west’s attempt to draw China into the global economic system has had the opposite effect.
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Fri, 26 Sep 2025 - 226 - Revealing the secrets of the Traitors
The producers of The Traitors Ireland join David, Katie and Fran for a deep dive behind the scenes of the hit TV show. Last night's finale clocked up over 730,000 viewers, representing 57% of the audience.
Darren Smith and Mairead Whelan of Kite Entertainment, reveal how they cast the show and how they don't interfere with the game once it starts. Mairead shares some of her favourite moments and Darren explains how casting has already begun for the next series.
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Wed, 24 Sep 2025 - 225 - RFK and the growing influence of MAHA
MAHA or Make America Healthy Again has grown in influence since Robert Kennedy Jnr became US Health Secretary. But what is the movement? Alex Stockton of the New York Times Opinion has looked the people and organisations who are involved in MAHA, and the wellness industry. He reveals how people can be drawn into conspiracy theories around medicine.
David, Fran and Katie talk to Alex about his use of AI to analyse wellness content and discuss the anticipated announcement around autism following comments by President Trump on Sunday.
Alex Stockton's video: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/09/opinion/maha-health-wellness-influencers.html
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Mon, 22 Sep 2025 - 224 - Jimmy Kimmel suspension and your phone data for sale!
As the backlash to the suspension of US chat host Jimmy Kimmel grows, Trump's attack on the media is escalating with threats to revoke broadcast licenses.
David and Katie discuss 'cancel' culture v 'consequence' culture and what this means for freedom of speech.
Later, Prime Time reporter Kate McDonald joined the duo to discuss how phone data is being sold and what the implications might be for security and military personnel.
And on a separate note: Katie has a little bit of news about the hit show Traitors!
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Fri, 19 Sep 2025 - 223 - People not 'units' - are Ireland's housing targets wrong?
New figures released today show house prices are still increasing across the country but at a slightly lower rate. While at the same time, the number of houses being built is falling due to several factors.
David, Katie and Fran are joined by UCD Assistant Professor of Architecture, Orla Hegarty to discuss housing supply and construction. Orla believes setting targets around the number of people housed rather than 'units' would be a better method to drive ambition in the housing supply.
The trio also discuss the call by Independent Ireland Leader Michael Collins for a minute's silence in the Dáil for right wing activist Charlie Kirk who was assassinated last week.
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Wed, 17 Sep 2025 - 222 - BONUS - A day at the Ploughing!
Fran, Katie and David hit the road to Tullamore for the first day of the Ploughing.
Joining them to discuss all matters farm related are Agriculture Correspondent Aengus Cox and Deputy Editor of the Irish Farmers Journal, Caitriona Morrissey.
Wellies, succession and Farm Tok chat with creators, Fin Walsh and Katie Larkin were just some of the topics discussed inside the big tent in Screggan!
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Tue, 16 Sep 2025 - 221 - How Tommy Robinson's protest gained so much support
On Saturday, up to 150,000 people took to the streets of London to join a rally organised by far right activist Tommy Robinson. The size of the crowd took the authorities by surprise. David, Kate and Fran are joined by Professor Jon Tonge to discuss the increase in support for anti immigration protests. They also discuss support for Reform on the day a significant Tory MP defected to Nigel Farage's party.
The trio analyse the challenging path to secure a nomination for the Irish Presidency. Later, they explore the legacy aspects of the trial of Soldier F for two murders on Bloody Sunday.
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Mon, 15 Sep 2025 - 220 - Charlie Kirk suspect turned into police by family
The murder of political activist, Charlie Kirk shocked America but in the past twenty four hours, there have been some astonishing developments; the suspect was turned into authorities by a family member and the FBI revealed what was inscribed on the bullet casings.
David, Katie and Fran discuss the FBI press conference and what is known about the suspect, Tyler Robinson. The trio examine recent figures on the rise of political violence in the US and ask if the divisions are getting wider.
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Fri, 12 Sep 2025 - 219 - Russian drones in Polish airspace and the suspicious death of Liam Farrell
As Poland and NATO scramble fighter jets to intercept Russian drones in Polish airspace, the Prime Minister of Poland, Donald Tusk says his country is the closest to open conflict since World War II.
David, Katie and Fran are joined by Associate Professor of Warfare and Counter Terrorism, Patrick Bury to discuss this 'unprecedented' violation of Poland's airspace. Patrick suggests that the purpose of this drone activity was to check for weaknesses in NATO's defences.
Later, Fran reveals details of the suspicious death of 87 year old Leitrim man, Liam Farrell who died in 2020 and whose family say there are questions around what really happened to their loved one.
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Wed, 10 Sep 2025 - 218 - Threats to the Tánaiste and what is going on in France?
As the Gardaí continue to investigate bomb threats to Tánaiste Simon Harris' home, David and Katie discuss the increasing number of threats against him and other politicians.
Later, Emmanuelle Schon Quinlivan of UCC explains what is happening in France as the country looks set to lose another Prime Minister, this time, in a confidence vote, that the Prime Minister called on himself! Emmanuelle outline the scale of the debt burden and why President Macron is coming under increasing political pressure.
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Mon, 08 Sep 2025 - 217 - Missing, presumed dead: the search for the young boy in Donabate
As the search continues for a young boy, presumed dead, Social Affairs correspondent Ailbhe Conneely joins Katie and David to discuss the disturbing case. Ailbhe shares her insights from covering the story during the week and her previous coverage of the case of Kyran Durnin, another boy, missing presumed dead by the authorities.
Ailbhe outlines details from both cases, and while the cases are unrelated, there are similarities that poses wider questions regarding child welfare and child protection.
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Fri, 05 Sep 2025 - 216 - The 'silent, quiet crisis' of endometriosis
Writer Lisa Tierney-Keogh along with other endometriosis sufferers met the Minister for Health earlier this week to highlight the lack of treatment for women affected with the condition. Lisa, who had to travel to the US for surgery shares her story and the struggle she and others are having trying to get medical care.
Lisa tells Katie and Fran that the pain she endured over the years, saying it was like 'early stage labour and being stabbed with a hot poker'.
The duo hear about the waiting list for treatment and how teenagers are missing school due to the pain of 'endo'.
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Wed, 03 Sep 2025 - 215 - Tricolours, Traitors and FF Presidential hopefuls
The national flag is showing up on lamp posts across Dublin and concerns are rising that the tricolour is being hijacked by anti immigrant groups. David and Katie discuss this and take a look at the Traitors TV show that launched on Sunday.
Later, the duo are joined by Malachy Clerkin, sports writer with the Irish Times, who reveals what he thinks makes Fianna Fail Presidential candidate hopeful, Jim Gavin tick. Malachy says the greatest trick Jim has pulled off is making everyone think he is boring!
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Mon, 01 Sep 2025 - 214 - Inside the business of live music events and David has news!
As thousands of music fans descend on Stradbally for Electric Picnic, business reporter Adam Maguire joins Katie and David for a closer look at the live music industry. A recent report showed that Irish adults spent an average €757 on music events last year.
And it's not just music, American football games are generating huge sums for the economy. The trio also discuss the new global power couple - Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce.
Later, David shares a work secret - why he is taking up a new job!
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Fri, 29 Aug 2025 - 213 - Reflections on the CAO and warnings about E-scooters
As CAO offers reach students today, David, Katie and Fran reflect on demographic pressure and grade deflation which has had an impact on this year's Leaving Cert students. While 51% received an offer of their top choice, that's down from last year's 56%. Points for several courses increased substantially.
Later, the trio speak to Dr Irwin Gill of CHI at Temple Street Children's Hospital who is warning parents about the dangers of E-scooters. Children as young as nine are presenting with traumatic brain injury following accidents. Dr Gill says many parents are not aware that e-scooters are illegal for children under 16.
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Wed, 27 Aug 2025 - 212 - Security, defence and who is Agent Cobalt?
The Minister for Health, Jennifer Carroll MacNeill called for the removal of the Triple Lock at the Béal na Bláth commemoration evoking memories of Michael Collins and Irish soverneignty.
David, Katie and Fran discuss the impact of the Triple Lock and whether it will survive in the changing global environment. The trio also discuss defence budgets and political pressure coming on Tánaiste Simon Harris in relation to scoliosis.
Later, they take a look at the story of so called 'Agent Cobalt' and how the government plans to introduce a new National Security Authority.
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