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Better in Person with Stephen Dubner

Better in Person with Stephen Dubner

Freakonomics Radio

Everyone has a public story. Stephen Dubner wants the rest. On Better in Person, Dubner invites remarkable people into his home for a kind of conversation that’s hard to find: curious, free-wheeling, even profound. They talk, play, eat and drink, argue and laugh. The result? Less interview, more shared discovery. This is how a conversation works.

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  • 12 - How to Be a Double Unicorn, with John Urschel

    He was thriving in the N.F.L., but then he decided to focus on mathematics — a subject he now teaches at M.I.T. John walks Stephen Dubner through the whole story, teaches him some blocking techniques, and explains why some infinities are bigger than others.

    Tue, 8 Sep 2026 - 31min
  • 11 - Amazon Was Supposed to Kill the Bookstore. James Daunt Had Other Plans

    He started with one small shop in London. He has since resuscitated both Barnes & Noble and Waterstones. He tells Stephen Dubner exactly how he does it.

    Tue, 1 Sep 2026 - 31min
  • 10 - How to Run an Institution in an Anti-Institution Era

    Anne Pasternak (Brooklyn Museum) and Michael Roth (Wesleyan University) tell Stephen Dubner how they keep the peace in the middle of a culture war.

    Tue, 25 Aug 2026 - 36min
  • 9 - “I Trust Almost Anyone More Than Myself”

    The Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist Jennifer Egan talks about confidence, luck, and why it takes 35 drafts to get to the finish line.

    Tue, 18 Aug 2026 - 42min
  • 8 - Meet Warren Zanes, the Author and Rocker Behind the Springsteen Movie

    When he joined the Del Fuegos, his big brother’s band, all Warren knew how to play was a record player. Things went great for a while — and then it all fell apart. So how did he wind up writing definitive books on Springsteen and Tom Petty?

    Tue, 11 Aug 2026 - 53min
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