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Episode 185 Doe ID 'Blue Pacheco' Patricia 'Patsy' Skiple

A murdered Jane Doe was found at a truck turnout in Santa Clara county, CA in 1993. Remaining unidentified, she became known as Blue Pacheco, after her clothing and dump site location. She remained unidentified for decades, long after a famous serial killer was prosecuted for her murder. Even though justice was served, investigators were determined to give Blue Pacheco her name back – and finally, IGG allowed them to provide answers to her family. Her name is Patsy Skiple, a victim of the Happy Face Killer, Keith Hunter Jesperson.

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Episode 184 Brad Bellino

The 1972 rape and murder of 12 year old Brad Bellino in Boardman Ohio shook residents of the safe, peaceful town. The case of the little boy abducted and discarded in a dumpster was worked hard by police, but remained unsolved, even as another little boy was taken just three years later. Investigators never forgot Brad Bellino and David Evans, and when modern DNA testing technology came around, they jumped at a new chance to solve the crimes that were a scourge on the town and a black mark on the Boardman police department. Finally, thanks to updated DNA testing and IGG, Brad and David's families have answers, answers that, a half century later, came too late.

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Episode 183 Doe ID: 'The Woman in the Well' Alice Spence

The remains of a female were found in an abandoned well in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada in 2006. Experts and historians placed her murder to the early years of the 20th century – but they had no idea who she was. Thousands of hours of work dedicated to identifying her were expended to no avail. And then, IGG solved the riddle of The Woman in the Well, identifying her as Alice Burke Spence. This is her story.

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Episode 182 Sandra Lison Part 2 of 2

This is part 2; the conclusion of the Sandra Lison case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now and go back and listen to that part first.

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Episode 182 Sandra Lison Part 1 of 2

Sandra Lison, a single mom of two, was abducted from a Green Bay, WI bar around 2:00 a.m. on a summer night in 1987. She was found raped and murdered many miles away just days later. A very complex investigation revealed some early suspects who placed themselves in police crosshairs – and they were eventually tried and convicted. But that is not the end of Sandra's story, which is a true testament to the mighty powers of IGG not only to identify the guilty, but to exonerate the innocent.

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Episode 181 Doe ID: Donna Lass

In 1986, a human skull was found along Highway 20 and Interstate 80, 45 miles northwest of South Lake Tahoe, CA. At the time, investigators couldn't come to many conclusions other than the fact the skull belonged to a young woman, likely in her 20s, and she had been murdered. Years later DNA & genealogy would finally reveal the truth; the skull belonged to Donna Ann Lass, a 25 year-old nurse who vanished on September 6,1970 after finishing her shift at the Sahara Hotel Casino. An unknown man called Donna's employer to tell her Donna had left town for a family emergency, which turned out not to be true. Donna Lass was never seen again. It didn't take long for an infamous serial killer, 'The Zodiac', to seemingly latch himself to Donna's case, possibly providing clues, and taunting investigators. For decades, Zodiac's possible involvement muddied the waters in the Lass investigation. All these years later, we may know what happened to Donna, but we don't know who was responsible.

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Episode 180 Audrey Hoellein Part 2 of 2

This is part 2,; the conclusion of the Audrey Hoellein case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now and go back and listen to that part first.

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Episode 180 Audrey Hoellein Part 1 of 2

The 1994 murder of Audrey Hoellein on her bed in her Vancouver, WA apartment led to a very complex investigation with a large number of suspects. The case relied heavily on forensic testing, which found the DNA of two men on Audrey's comforter. Investigators could identify only one of them, and he was, for a time, the prime suspect. But it was the unidentified one – "Individual A" – whom the police zeroed in on. Once IGG identified him, and authorities started to put together their case against him, it opened a whole can of worms. The ending is not what you would expect.

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Episode 179 Doe ID: 'Davie Canal Jane Doe' Lori Kearsey

As in Marilyn Decker's case last week, Lori Kearsey was found murdered and floating in a Davie, FL canal in the 1980s. She remained a Jane Doe for decades, because she had no ties to the area. And when she was identified by IGG, it turned out that she was very much missed. Her killer remains at large, but detectives have a strong person of interest, and are actively working Lori's case.

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Episode 178 Marilyn Decker

Marilyn Decker's mutilated body, wrapped in a pink plastic bag, was found floating in a Davie, FL canal in 1987. Her case was complex and featured many shady and transient suspects, but detectives could not pin the crime on any of them. It seemed the case would forever remain unsolved, until one determined detective took a chance on rootless hair evidence, and IGG. And those hairs led to a man police never suspected, an itinerant, seasoned criminal whose violent crimes are just now coming to light.

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Episode 177 Doe ID: 'Lime Lady' Tammy Tigard

Today's case is that of the infamous "Lime Lady," the young white Jane Doe found covered in quicklime in Oklahoma in 1980. Investigators had very little to go on in her case, even though her features and physical attributes were very well preserved. She remained unidentified for nearly a half century. And when the DNA Doe Project gave her her name back, it simply gave rise to more questions – questions which remain unanswered.

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Episode 176 Phyllis Bailer

In 1972, Phyllis Bailer and her toddler daughter set out to make an evening drive to her parents' house for a weekend visit. The drive from their home in Indianapolis to Bluffton, IN should have taken less than two hours. But Phyllis and her child never made it. The next day came awful news for Phyllis's family when she was found dead in a ditch. Her young daughter Jodi was by her side, and suffered only a small injury. And so began a decades-long investigation into Phyllis's murder. A prime suspect focused on by the investigators for years and years seemed like the logical culprit. But police and Phyllis's family would not have definitive answers until IGG came along and pointed them in an entirely different direction.

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Episode 175 Doe ID: 'Charlotte Walmart John Doe' Kenneth McCarthy

In 2016, a John Doe was found behind a WalMart in Charlotte, NC. With no identification and very few personal possessions, he remained unidentified, known only as Charlotte WalMart John Doe. When a cold case detective took a class on IGG analysis, he applied the new technique to Charlotte WalMart John Doe's case, and found relatives who had been looking for him for 12 years. This is the story of Kenneth Robert McCarthy.

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Episode 174 Barbara Villarreal Part 2 of 2

This is part 2; the conclusion of the Barbara Villarreal case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now and listen to part 1 first.

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Episode 174 Barbara Villarreal Part 1 of 2

In this Season 6 opener, you'll hear the jaw-dropping, twisty case of Barbara Carr Villarreal. Barbara was stabbed to death in her Garland, TX home in 1986. Her husband was also attacked in the home invasion. But stories and evidence did not match up, and police were left chasing their tails, and chasing their prime suspect who was in the wind. Nothing in this case was as it seemed to be, and justice for Barbara seemed unattainable. Modern investigators had to solve an identity theft case to find the true name of the person they believed was behind Barbara's murder, and then had to use kinship testing to finally name her murderer.

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Episode 173 DNA ID Replay Kim Bryant and Diana Hanson

While Jess is on winter break preparing new episodes of DNA ID for 2026, we are airing some of our favorite one part episodes weekly in what we call 'DNA ID Replay' episodes. These Replay episodes will air every week while on break with the exception of Christmas week. In this episode, we explore the case of Kim Bryant and Diana Hanson which originally aired in episode 37.

1979 Las Vegas, a weekday morning. 16 year old Kim Bryant was at a Dairy Queen waiting for her ride – and then she was gone. Her body was found a month later, sexually assaulted, beaten and murdered. A notorious serial killer was the only real suspect – he was executed in Texas, but he didn't kill her. When a tip came in in 2019, new testing was conducted on the biological evidence in Kim's case that isolated a male DNA profile. Forensic genealogy led to the name of a suspect, and further testing of his living relatives revealed that he was the killer of Kim Bryant. But naming him also allowed the LVMPD to close another cold case – the 1983 abduction, rape and murder of 22 year old Diana Hanson. The same killer had struck twice – at least.

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Ep172 DNA ID Replay Susan Negersmith

While Jess is on winter break preparing new episodes of DNA ID for 2026, we are airing some of our favorite one part episodes weekly in what we call 'DNA ID Replay' episodes. These Replay episodes will air every week while on break with the exception of Christmas week. In this episode, we explore the case of Susan Negersmith which originally aired in episode 74.

In 1990, 20 year old college student Susan Negersmith went to beach town Wildwood, NJ with friends for Memorial Day weekend. Her body was found behind a local restaurant, half naked, shoeless, bloody, riddled with injuries, and with visible marks on her throat. Someone had taken pains to ensure she was obscured from view of passersby – yet her death was ruled an accident. It took her father 6 years to get her death certificate changed to reflect that her death was a homicide – but by that time, the damage was done. Even forensic genealogy, with its wondrous power to provide answers, may not be able to deliver justice for Susan Negersmith.

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Episode 171 DNA ID Replay Helene Pruszynski

While Jess is on winter break preparing new episodes of DNA ID for 2026, we are airing some of our favorite one part episodes weekly in what we call 'DNA ID Replay' episodes. These Replay episodes will air every week while on break with the exception of Christmas week. In this episode, we explore the case of Helene Pruszynski which originally aired in episode 12.

In 1980, ambitious college student Helene Pruszynski was abducted from Englewood, Colorado. Her body was found in a remote field the next day. She had been raped and stabbed in the back. Police had multiple suspects, and a series of similar attacks, but were never able to gather enough information to arrest anyone. Decades later, a DNA profile from Helene's crime scene would lead them to her killer. He was living thousands of miles away, using another name. A confiscated beer mug would prove to be his downfall, as his DNA linked him to the crime.

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Introducing: Below the Surface from AbJack Entertainment

Below the Surface is a true crime podcast covering a variety of strange and bizarre cases with one common theme; a water connection.

The show features both solved and unsolved cases, some of which are well known, while others have received little attention.

In this special preview of episode 1, we explore the puzzling case of Kim Wall who was Best known for her articles in the Guardian, New York Times, and Vice, journalist. She disappeared in a submarine beneath the Oresund Strait after interviewing inventor, Peter Madsen, on August 10, 2017. We can only speculate what exactly happened below the surface, but upon the submarine's resurface, Kim was missing, but Peter Masden was not. To listen to Episode 1 of Below the Surface, search for it on your favorite podcast app. You can also listen to episode 2 right now. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode.

Below the Surface is hosted by Olivia McKenzie (Co host of True Crime Society). It's produced by Mike Morford of AbJack Entertainment (Co host of Criminology). Research and writing by Abagail Belcastro (Campus Killings)

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Episode 170 DNA ID Replay Eve Wilkowitz

While Jess is on winter break preparing new episodes of DNA ID for 2026, we are airing some of our favorite one part episodes weekly in what we call 'DNA ID Replay' episodes. These Replay episodes will air every week while on break with the exception of Christmas week. In this episode, we explore the case of Eve Wilkowitz which originally aired in episode 72.

20 year old Eve Wilkowitz's life was all coming together during the first few days of spring, 1980. She had a job she loved and a new boyfriend. Her daily commute into Manhattan from Bay Shore, Long Island was long, but Eve had plans to move into the city. Someone took all that away from her. After boarding the last LIRR train from the city to Long Island, Eve vanished. Her loved ones were frantic for three days, and their worst fears came true when she turned up dead in the backyard of a nearby home. Police turned her complicated love life upside down, and left no stone unturned. Their theory that Eve's abductor and murderer was a neighbor was correct – but they would not know that for decades to come.

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Episode 169 DNA ID Replay; The case of Lee Rotatori

While Jess is on winter break preparing new episodes of DNA ID for 2026, we are airing some of our favorite one part episodes weekly in what we call 'DNA ID Replay' episodes. These Replay episodes will air every week while on break with the exception of Christmas week.

In this replay episode, we explore the case of Lee Rotatori which originally aired in episode 70.

In June 1982, Lee Rotatori was excited for the new job that meant a move to Council Bluffs, Iowa. But when Lee was found murdered in the Best Western there, police were stumped. The only clue was floral foam on the floor, and there were no suspects. Lee knew only a few people in town, and her husband was over 600 miles away when she was raped and stabbed in Room 106. Her case went cold. When forensic genealogy pointed to a man named Thomas Freeman as her killer, it just added to the mystery. Freeman had been murdered within weeks of Lee, and his killer was unknown. And, he had no connection whatsoever to Council Bluffs, or Lee. But he did have a connection to Carbondale, IL, where he lived 15 miles from Lee's husband Jerry Nemke – who had a history of his own.

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Episode 168 DNA ID Replay; The case of Kathleen O'Brien Doyle and Aundria Bowman.

While Jess is on winter break preparing new episodes of DNA ID for 2026, we are airing some of our favorite one part episodes weekly in what we call 'DNA ID Replay' episodes. These Replay episodes will air every week while on break with the exception of Christmas week.

In this replay episode, we explore the case of Kathleen O'Brien Doyle and Aundria Bowman which originally aired in episode 29.

In 1980, Kathleen O'Brien Doyle was a young navy wife living alone in Norfolk, Virginia while her husband was stationed on an aircraft carrier. One night as she was getting ready for bed, an attacker entered her home through a window and raped, stabbed and strangled Kathleen. Her case quickly went cold. When Norfolk police and NCIS decided to employ forensic genealogy to find answers in her case, what they discovered also gave them answers to a decades-old missing persons case in Michigan. Kathleen O'Brien Doyle's murderer in Virginia and Aundria Bowman's murderer in Michigan were one and the same. And he was still around to answer for his crimes.

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Episode 167 2025 The Year in Review

In the final episode of 2025, we recap the fascinating cases we've covered in 2025, as well as provide updates to past cases.

DNA ID will return in January, 2026 with all new episodes. In the meantime, you can tune in for replays of past episodes.

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Episode 166 Opal Weil Part 2 of 2

This is part 2 of the Opal Weil case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now and go back and listen to that part first.

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Episode 166 Opal Weil Part 1 of 2

In January 1987, 82 year old Opal Weil was slain in her St. Petersburg, FL home. The crime scene reflected a burglary, with Opal's wedding ring pulled off her finger. Within a week, it happened again. Octogenarian Eleanor Swift's home, just 6 miles from Opal's, was burgled, she was killed, and her wedding ring taken. A third victim in the same month survived, but remembered nothing. The cases, quickly connected in the eyes of the investigators, went cold, despite a large number of suspects being considered. Hairs found at Opal's crime scene, distinct from her own, would prove to be the key to an IGG analysis, and a suspect was finally identified and arrested for her murder in 2023. But that is not the end of the story.

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Episode 165 Doe ID: 'Government Camp Jane Doe' Wanda Herr

In August, 1986, a human skull and some bones were found of Highway 26 near Government Camp, Oregon. There was nothing to help ID the victim, who the authorities believed was a female between the ages of 17 and 30. An expert believed that the skull had been there for as long as ten years, but some time later, that idea would be challenged.

Eventually, DNA & genealogy would prove that 'Government Camp Jane Doe' was actually Wanda Ann Herr who was described as a "chronic runaway" and had last been seen by her family in Oregon in 1976. Her case is being investigated as a possible homicide, although it's likely due to very little potential evidence, the mystery surrounding her death will never be solved.

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Episode 164 The Denver Four Part 2 of 2

This is part 2 of the Denver Four case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now and go back and listen to that part first.

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Episode 164 The Denver Four Part 1 of 2

Four women were murdered in the Denver, CO area, three in 1980 and one in 1978, in crimes that remained unsolved – and unconnected – for decades. The victims had nothing in common, the circumstances varied widely. But modern DNA testing technology provided investigators with some very surprising information – and IGG tied it all together. They were looking for one man for all four murders – and those were not the sum total of his heinous crimes. Today's episode is about one of the more depraved killers identified by IGG, one you've likely never heard of.

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Episode 163 Doe ID: Roberta Mumma

In 1984, the decomposed remains of a woman wrapped in plastic were found in remote Wizard Wells, Jack County, TX. Experts posited that she was a young white woman, but without any identification, no fingerprints, and no corresponding missing persons reports, she could not be identified. Fast forward nearly 40 years – when IGG would be used on her bones to identify her as Roberta Mumma. Roberta hailed from the Lancaster, PA area and was believed to have died around age 25. Her death is considered a homicide, and the Jack County authorities and the Texas Rangers are seeking information about her case.

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Episode 162 Leslie Preer Part 2 of 2

This is part 2, the conclusion of the Leslie Preer case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now, and go back and listen to that part first.

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Episode 162 Leslie Preer Part 1 of 2

Upscale Chevy Chase, MD does not see a lot of violent crime. But that changed in 2001, when loving wife and mom Leslie Preer was beaten to death in her own home in a shocking crime. Investigators could find no motive for the murder, but certain aspects of the crime scene directed investigators' attention to Leslie's husband as the prime suspect. After all, it was very unlikely that a stranger had broken into the house, killed Leslie, and attempted a clean-up. But they could not pin the crime on Carl Preer, and the case stalled. Not until the Montgomery County PD cold case unit embraced IGG did they find a name of a suspect – one who had been under their noses the whole time.

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Episode 161 Doe ID: Wynona Michele

In 1990, Madison County IL authorities recovered the remains of a nude young woman in a soybean field. She had some articles of clothing and jewelry with her, but no identification. Investigators could not identify her, and she was buried in a church cemetery with a headstone that called her Jane Doe. But they had the foresight to retain some physical evidence, and with the advent of IGG, were able to use that evidence to locate living relatives of Jane Doe. She was Wynona Nadine Michel – but her identity is just part of the mystery. She is now the subject of an active homicide investigation. Who killed Wendy Michel?

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Episode 160 Robin Lawrence

In this shocking and heart-wrenching 1994 case, a young Northern Virginia mother is killed in her own in a vicious crime that shocked even seasoned members of law enforcement. Not only was the brutality breathtaking, but Robin's 2 year old daughter was left with her mother's corpse for two whole days. This case confounded Fairfax County police, because Robin had no enemies, yet the crime of passion clearly targeted her. A prime suspect emerged whom police were convinced did it, only to be disappointed by DNA results. It's not an overstatement to say that were it not for IGG, the murder of Robin Lawrence would never have been solved. Because the identity of the killer, and his reasons for slaying Robin, were simply impossible to believe.

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Episode 159 Doe ID Carl Bryant

Warning: this episode explicitly addresses child abuse and murder.

In 1972, the brutally beaten body of a young child was found in a shallow creek in Fairfax County, VA. Little John Lorton Doe was unidentified and unclaimed, and was buried in a local cemetery by a church group. Investigators over the decades never forgot the little boy, and when cold case detective Melissa Wallace took on the case, she used mere iotas of rootless hairs, cutting edge DNA technology, and IGG to identify him as four year old Carl Matthew Bryant. But the story of Carl Bryant, killed at the hands of an abuser, became even more shocking when it was revealed that he was not the only one.

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This is a special bonus episode based on breaking news.

Serial Killer Robert Eugene Brashers has been identified as the killer in the infamous 1991 Austin Yogurt Shop Murders in Austin, Texas. In that case, four teenage girls were shot execution style before the yogurt shop was set on fire. Killed in that case were 17 year old Jennifer Harbison, and her 15 year old sister Sarah Harbison. Also killed were 17 year old Eliza Thomas, and 13 year old Amy Ayers. DNA from the crime scene was connected to Robert Eugene Brashers who we covered back in episode 104 in the murders of Sherri and Megan Scherer and Genevieve Zitricki.

In this bonus episode, host Jessica Bettencourt breaks down how the Yogurt shop murders were connected to Brashers, and discusses a yet unrevealed victim he may be linked to in Kentucky. We will also replay the original Brashers episode here for listeners who may not have listened to it before, or want a refresher on just how brutal a predator Robert Eugene Brashers was.

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Episode 158 Mary Schlais Part 2 of 2

This is part 2; the conclusion of the Mary Schlais case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now and go back and listen to that first.

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Episode 158 Mary Schlais Part 1 of 2

In one of the oldest cold case homicides solved by IGG, Mary Schlais's shocking murder in Dunn County, WI was finally resolved. Way back in 1974, a witness saw the killer disposing of Mary's bloody body in a snowbank, and the killer dropped something at the scene… and yet, his identity eluded investigators for 50 years. Dunn County investigators never gave up on Mary's case, and when investigative genetic genealogy came along, they jumped at the opportunity, once and for all, to obtain justice for the bright, multi-lingual, artistic young equestrian who had her whole life ahead of her until it was snatched away with a few thrusts of a knife. Finally, they had a name for the monster who stabbed Mary to death. And what they would hear from him was shocking.

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Episode 157 Doe ID: Darylnn Washington

In 2006, a Jane Doe was found in a vacant home on the east side of Detroit. Police efforts to identify her were in vain, but the name of her killer soon emerged as a slew of murdered women were all linked to one man – Shelly Andre Brooks. Brooks confessed to murdering Jane Doe, but what can be done when the killer never knew his victim's name? The answer is – investigative genetic genealogy. An IGG analysis pointed to a close family member of Jane Doe, and testing confirmed her name as Darylnn Washington.

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Episode 156 Pam Conyers

In one of the oldest cases covered by DNA: ID, in 1970, 16 year old Pam Conyers vanished after an evening trip to the Harundale Mall in Ann Arundel County, MD. There was no question that Pam had run away, and police immediately began a search for the teen. Two days after she left the mall with her purchase, her car was found hidden in brush in a wooded median of a new highway that was being constructed, not far from her home. Soon, her body was found nearby. Pam had been raped and murdered, and dumped in the woods not far from the construction site. Clues discovered at her autopsy and in her car led police to theorize that there were two perpetrators. Whoever they were, they eluded investigators for decades. Finally, when the Parabon genealogist used IGG, she was able to identify a suspect. And then the FBI stepped in an identified another.

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Episode 155 Doe ID: Tisha Ann Dyer

In 2003, human skeletal remains were found in a very remote area of Mt. Hood, Oregon. Not much was determined about the person the scant bones belonged to, other than she was a female. The Hood River County Sheriff's Office attempted to identify the remains by scouring the many missing person's cases in the area, but was unable to give a name to the deceased. In 2020, a Parabon phenotype analysis predicted that the Jane Doe had brown hair, fair skin, and green or hazel eyes. The Parabon genealogist used IGG to identify the bones as belonging to Tisha Ann Dyer. Tisha was last known to be living in Portland, and was last in contact with her family in 2002. What happened to Tisha, and how did she end up on Mt. Hood? After two decades, Tisha finally has her name back and this is her story.

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Episode 154 Roger Dean Part 2 of 2

This is part 2 of the Roger Dean case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now, and go back and listen to part 1 first.

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Episode 154 Roger Dean Part 1 of 2

DNA: ID is back after summer hiatus with a doozy of a case! On Thursday, November 21st, 1985, Roger Dean was seen by neighbors drinking his morning coffee in his garage. The next thing they knew, Roger way lying in the cul de sac, shot to death. His hysterical wife told a terrifying tale of a masked gunman, restraints, demands, a fight, gunshots. After the dust settled, Roger's wife and daughter ended up in police crosshairs. They would be re-traumatized five years later when the killer resurfaced, trying to extort money from the grieving widow. Even though witnesses had seen the gunman, and the FBI chased the extortionist all over Denver, he eluded authorities, and the case went cold. But, the gunman had made a crucial mistake, leaving behind evidence that decades later would be used by a savvy law enforcement genealogist to identify him at long last.

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Introducing: Clues with Morgan Absher & Kaelyn Moore

Join hosts Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore as they take you deep into the world of the most notorious crimes ever — where a single clue can crack a case wide open. From shocking murders to serial killers, Clues dives into all the forensic details and brilliant sleuthing of the world's most infamous cases. CLUES is a Crime House Original, powered by PAVE Studios. Follow and listen now wherever you get your podcasts.

Episode 153 A conversation with former FBI agent Julia Cowley

Our guest today is Julia Cowley, who retired from the FBI after 22 years at the agency. She has a bachelor's degree in chemistry from the University of Oregon and a master's degree in forensic science from The George Washington University. Before joining the FBI, Julia was a Special Agent/Forensic Scientist with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. When she joined the federal agency, Julia was first posted to the Boston Division. She was also a member and team leader on the Boston Division's Evidence Response Team. Julia then joined the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, and was also assigned to the Evidence Response Team Unit. In her career as an FBI special agent, Julia investigated serial killings and sex offenses, white-collar crime, public corruption, and civil rights. She is certified in Behavioral Analysis by the FBI and was the lead FBI profiler on the Golden State Killer case. She now hosts the hit podcast "The Consult."

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Episode 152 Danielle Houchins Part 2 of 2

This is the conclusion; part 2, of the Danielle Houchins case. If you have noy yet listened to part 1 yet, please stop now and go back and listen to that part first.

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Episode 152 Danielle Houchins Part 1 of 2

In 1996, Danielle "Danni" Houchins was an outdoorsy 15 year old growing up in Belgrade MT. The new driver went for a solo hike at her favorite recreation area outside town, the West Cameron Bridge fishing access site, on a fall Saturday. She did not come home. Searchers found her body face down in inches of swampy water. The ME, coroner and sheriff ruled her death a drowning. But the manner of death was labeled undetermined… even though injuries to Danni's person, and forensic evidence, said otherwise. And thus began the nearly 30 year quest for justice for Danni. Thanks to a committed new sheriff, a dogged old-school investigator, Danni's family, and the miracles of modern science, the beloved teen finally got the recognition she deserved, and a form of justice that everyone could live with – except her killer.

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Listen Now: The Rise & Fall of Diddy: The Federal Trial

Episode 1: The United States vs. Sean Combs

Opening statements rock the courtroom as federal prosecutors accuse Sean "Diddy" Combs of running a decades-long criminal enterprise built on violence, sex trafficking, and power. The defense hits back hard, painting it all as a toxic relationship, not a RICO case. Then Cassie Ventura takes the stand, and everything changes. Her voice may be quiet. Her story is not.

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Episode 151 Doe ID: Anthony Gulley

In December, 2001, a pair of men cutting firewood in Canton, Ohio made a gruesome discovery not far off into a field from a county road. They found a skeletonized body with no identification. A medical examination concluded that the body was likely that of a young African-American woman between the ages of 22-31, and about 5"7" tall. Later DNA analysis would prove that the victim was actually Male, and not Female. By that point, valuable time and resources had been spent trying to match the victim to case of missing women. DNA and genealogy would also later reveal that the John Doe was actually, a man named Anthony Bernard Gulley who went missing on September 11, 1994 along with his car from Pontiac, Michigan. His vehicle was found burned out the next day over 200 miles away in Akron, Ohio. Police quickly uncovered a suspect in the disappearance of Anthony Gulley; a man he knew named George Frederick Washington who had an extensive criminal record. Washington died via a self inflicted gunshot wound after a shootout with police in 1994. Washington had reportedly told someone that he had killed Anthony Gulley in a hotel room and then dumped his body in a river. When Gulley's unidentified body was found on land, and not water, (and thought to be the remains of a woman), police didn't connect the discovery to Gulley. Now, Anthony Gulley has his name back, and this is his story.

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Episode 150 Sarah Yarborough Part 2 of 2

This is the conclusion of the Sarah Yarborough case. If you have not yet listened to part 1, please stop now, and go back and listen to that part first.

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Episode 150 Sarah Yarborough Part 1 of 2

There are some case that really grip the community, that undercut the sense of safety and security, and that make people lose their faith in humanity. The murder of Sarah Yarborough was such a case. Sarah was just 16 years old when she was sexually assaulted and murdered in one of the places she should have felt the safest – the grounds of her high school. Not only that, but the crime happened in broad daylight, and there were witnesses who saw her killer. It was impossible that he was not apprehended – but he wasn't. Despite the groundbreaking use of YDNA to identify the killer's possible surname, the case remained unsolved for years. When IGG finally provided answers, revealing at long last the name of the man who killed Sarah Yarborough, the Yarborough family and the community of Federal Way, WA breathed a sigh of relief.

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Episode 149 Doe ID: Kay Adams Medin

In February 1993, a man walking along Trinidad Head; a rocky promontory beach area near the town of Trinidad in Humboldt County, California, made a shocking discovery. He found what he believed to be a piece of human skull. He contacted authorities who verified his hunch. DNA from the skull fragment would be entered into various databases in an effort to learn the identify of the donor with no luck. Years later, the skull fragment would be connected to another case through DNA.

In November, 1987, the Humboldt County Sheriff's dept received an package in the mail from an anonymous sender. It contained human skeletal remains and an accompanying letter provided directions to more human remains near Ammon Ridge Road in Humboldt County. Investigators went to the location, and found more human remains. An examination of teeth found with the remains confirmed that they belonged to 48 year old Kay Adams Medin. She had been reported missing from her Trinity County home by her husband in August 1987. The location in Humboldt County where her remains were found is over 100 miles away from her home.

Eventually, Othram Labs did DNA work on the skull fragment found in 1993 at Trinidad Head, and their work led them to ID the skull fragment as belonging to Kay Adams Medin. That skull fragment was found 45 miles from Kay's home. It remains a mystery as to how the skull fragment wound up so far away from the rest of Kay's remains. Theories include that it was carried by flowing water, or that a large bird may have carried it.

Police long suspected that Kay Adams was murdered by her husband Nikolas Medin, but they lacked the evidence to prove it. They theorize that he was the anonymous mailer of the package containing Kay's bones, and the letter directing police to more remains. They believe he only directed them to her remains, so she could be declared dead, and he could collect on her life insurance policy. Nikolas Medin died in 2018, and was never charged in connection with his wife's death. While Kay never got the justice she deserved, she at least got her name back, and this is her story.

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Episode 148 Velma Nesset Part 2 of 2

This is part 2; the conclusion of the Velma Nesset case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now and go back and listen to part 1 first.

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Episode 148 Velma Nesset Part 1 of 2

64 year old Velma Nesset set out on April 19th, 1982, at 4:30 a.m. to walk to her job as a cleaning lady at the Permian Mall in Odessa, TX. When she did not show up for work, people looked for her, and then called the police. Velma's partially undressed body was found in a drainage culvert under the mall parking lot. She had been stabbed, bludgeoned and raped. The logical suspect, a mentally challenged man who worked at the mall, was tried for her murder. But after that, her case went cold. A Texas Ranger reinvestigation in the mid 2000s isolated a male DNA profile, but the offender was not in CODIS. When he was finally named through IGG, police tracked the man down, and he had quite a story to tell them. According to him, he did not act alone.

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Episode 147 Doe ID: 'Dumpster Jane Doe' Laurie Potter

On October 5th, 2003, a maintenance worker at at the Country Hills Apartment complex in Rancho San Diego, made a horrific discovery in a dumpster when he found a set of severed legs. It was just the beginning of a shocking and perplexing mystery. The legs were found to have come from an adult woman who was deemed to be a homicide victim. Although police did not find any more of her remains, they did find an important clue; the military-style bag that had held her legs was also recovered, and years later, it would lead to the woman's killer.

When police ran out of clues early on, and could not match the legs to any missing person in the area, they buried the remains, but not before collecting DNA from them. Years later, investigators employed investigative genetic genealogy and were able to learn that 'Dumpster Jane Doe' was actually Laurie Potter. She had gone missing from Temecula CA not long before her legs were found in the dumpster. Most troubling to detectives, was that her husband Jack Potter had never reported her missing. They began an investigation of him that revealed surprising details, and a 'concerned neighbor' helped them fill in some blanks. When Jack Potter's DNA was found on the bag which had contained his wife's legs, that combined with his neighbor's story, was enough to arrest him. He pled guilty to her murder, and was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison.

'Dumpster Jane Doe' now has her name back, it's Laurie Potter, and this is her story.

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Episode 146 Sharon Hammack and Dusty Shuck Part 2 of 2

This is part 2 of the Sharon Hammack and Dusty Shuck episode. If you have not yet listened to part 1, please stop now and go back and listen to part 1 first.

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Episode 146 Sharon Hammack and Dusty Shuck Part 1 of 2

In mid 1990s Grand Rapids, Michigan, someone was killing sex workers. Sharon Hammack, a mother of two, was hogtied, stabbed, strangled, raped, and dumped on the side of a road. Despite many suspects, her case remained unsolved; all investigators had to go on was semen left behind by Sharon's killer. A DNA profile from the semen was entered into CODIS, and while it did not identify Sharon's killer…it connected her case to a murder 10 years later, in which Dusty Shuck was stabbed and dumped on the side of a road. It would take IGG to figure out who the common thread was in the two cases… and it did so just in time.

SPECIAL NOTE: Thanks to a listener's feedback/input, we wanted to make one clarification or correction to something mentioned in this episode. It was mentioned in this episode that "Dusty was diagnosed with Schizophrenia, now known as Bipolar Disorder." The correction is, that Schizophrenia is not now known as Bipolar Disorder. They're completely separate disorders. Bipolar Disorder used to be called manic-depressive disorder decades ago. Schizophrenia is still called Schizophrenia.

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Episode 145 Doe ID 'Singer Island Jane Doe' Susan Poole

On June 16, 1974, a man and his two sons were searching for driftwood on Singer Island in the Burnt Bridge area of North Palm Beach, Florida when they found human remains. Investigators descended on the area and found more of the skeletonized remains along with tattered and weathered pieces of clothing. There was no ID with the body, and police would face an uphill battle identifying the remains which were thought to be those of a young woman or teenage girl between the ages of 14 and 25. It was believed that the girl had stood between 4ft11 and 5ft'2 tall, and that she weighed between 83 and 103 pounds. Police found evidence that she had been tied to a tree, leading them to believe that she was likely the victim of a homicide. With not much to go on, the case of the girl that would become known as 'Singer Island Jane Doe' went cold.

Although police didn't know who their victim was, they thought they knew who killed her; a vicious, and sadistic serial killer and predator named Gerard John Schaefer. Schaefer worked as a sheriff's deputy for the Marin County, FL sheriff's department, and he had murdered and attacked several women and young girls in the area where Singer Island Jane Doe had been found. If Schaefer did indeed kill Singer Island Jane Doe, he took his secrets to the grave after he was murdered by a fellow inmate whil in prison.

In 2022, after the Palm Beach County sheriff's office teamed up with Othram Labs to perform genealogy on the DNA from Singer Island Jane Doe, they finally learned who she was; Susan Gale Poole. She had been reported missing from her Brower County trailer park in December, 1972 when she was 15 years old. Police are confident that she's the victim of Gerard John Schaefer, and in fact, he was responsible for the murder of another girl that lived in the same trailer park as Susan. Although it will likely never be established how she crossed paths with her killer, her family is relieved to have her remains so that they could give her a proper farewell.

'Singer Island Jane Doe' has her name back now; it's Susan Poole, and this is her story.

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Episode 144 Angelica Ramirez

*WARNING* This episode discusses the murder of a child. Listener discretion is advised.

In 1994, ten year old Angelica Ramirez was snatched from a swap meet in Visalia, CA. Clues at the scene confirmed the worst fears of her mother, and the investigators. Angelica's body was found two days later, more than 40 miles away. A sexual assault kit yielded male DNA, which would be used to eliminate not one, but two false confessors in her case. Angelica's murder was just one of a series of child murders in the central valley in just a few years, and one of the few that remained unsolved. When IGG provided a name for her slayer, police had never heard of him – and what they learned about him was both disturbing and frustrating.

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Episode 143 Doe ID: 'Mentone John Doe' Derrick Burton

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In October, 1991, a hunter in the area of Mentone, CA discovered a human skull. The skull was devoid of teeth and a mandible. Based on the size of the skull, it was estimated to be a child's. The San Bernardino County Sheriff's department searched the area for more remains but they didn't find any. However, they found a bag containing a child's clothing, and took it into evidence. An autopsy confirmed initial beliefs that the remains were that of a child; a young boy between 4 & 8 years old. A cause of death could not be determined.

The authorities considered local missing persons cases, but didn't link the remains to any of those missing children, and the dead boy was referred to as 'Mentone John Doe'. It wasn't until decades later that the authorities turned to IGG to determine the identity of Mentone John Doe. He turned out to be, Derrick Burton. Incredibly, Derrick had been reported missing to the San Bernardino County Sheriff's dept when he was four years old by his mother Patricia Clark in 1991. How the agency failed to make the connection between Mentone John Doe, and Derrick Burton early on is a mystery. Derrick had gone missing while in the care of his stepfather; Christopher Hammond. Hammond did time for charges related to Derrick's abduction, but not his death.

Sadly, it doesn't seem as if there is much movement in the case since Derrick was identified, or how much his death is being investigated. 'Mentone John Doe' now has his name back; it's Derrick Burton, and this is his story.

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Episode 142 Laura Kempton Part 2 of 2

This is the conclusion of the Laura Kempton case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now, and go back and listen to that part before listening to this one.

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Episode 142 Laura Kempton Part 1 of 2

Vivacious, fun-loving, and popular twenty-three year old Laura Kempton was a fixture in the downtown Portsmouth, New Hampshire social scene in 1981. On the night of Sunday, September 27 th , she was seen out late at a local club with a girlfriend. And then she went home, alone. Sometime in the wee hours, someone broke a panel out of her front door, entered her apartment, and raped and killed Laura. Her vicious slaying shocked the small city, and police had their hands full with a complex investigation trying to ferret out the killer among all the people Laura knew. And then, a year later, it happened again. Tammy Little's murder bore undeniable similarities to Laura's, and both remained unsolved for decades. Now, we have a resolution in Laura's case, thanks to IGG. Whether Tammy was indeed killed by the same person remains to be seen.

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Episode 141 Doe ID: Evelyn 'Dottie' Lees

On June 28,1988, the remains of a woman were found in a remote area of Pinal County, AZ along state Route 79 South of US 60. The body was found in a shallow grave, and appeared to have been placed there with care leading police to believe that someone close to her may have placed here there. She was determined to be an elderly woman and it appeared that she had been strangled to death. She has been there for about a year. Police were stumped as they didn't have any missing women that matched her description in the area. The case of this Jane Doe went cold until years later when genealogy finally provided answers. She was Evelyn "Dottie" Lees, a grandmother who was in her late 80's when she died. Investigators learned that Evelyn had never been reported missing, and for years following her death, benefit checks to her were being cashed. A background check revealed that Evelyn, who had spent her life in Utah, had moved to Arizona at the insistence of family. Since this family member, who Evelyn lived with at the time of her death was never reported missing, it has caused investigators to view them with suspicion. The only problem is, those family members that may have had answers, all died before Evelyn was identified. If they had any answers, they took them to the grave. This Jane Doe has her name back; it's Evelyn 'Dottie' Lees, and this is her story.

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Episode 140 Gayla McNeil

In October 1983, a young homicide detective caught his first case when a woman turned up floating in a canal in Palm Beach County, Florida. The Jane Doe was a homicide victim, with brutal injuries and evidence of rape. A complex investigation failed to identify her – but then her fingerprints did. She was Gayla Ann McNeil, a former US Airforce service member. Detective Bill Springer began a 40 year quest to solve Gayla's murder – which involved figuring out where she had last been seen and by whom. It turned out, her last known contact was with law enforcement – and a clerical error may have cost her her life.

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Episode 139 Doe: ID 'Wayne County Jane Doe' Connie Christensen

In December, 1982, deer hunters in Wayne County, Indiana, found skeletal remains in the woods along Martindale Creek. When the remains were first found, authorities were unable to tell much about the skeletonized remains other than that they belonged to an adult female. There was no ID found with the remains, but police theorized that they had a homicide on their hands. Later they would be proven right when it was discovered that the victim had died from a gunshot. Police were stumped as they had no missing females in their area that matched the clues that they had for this victim, and the investigation slowed. The unknown homicide victim became known as 'Wayne County Jane Doe'. Years later, DNA & genealogy would be used to finally identify this victim. Her name was Connie L. Christensen, and she had last been seen by her family in March, 1982, when she dropped her young daughter off with family saying that she was leaving the area. Connie was believed to have been pregnant when she was last seen by her family. Subsequent investigation revealed that Connie spent time in Nashville, TN, in April, 1982. After that, she vanished. An older man that had a relationship with Connie is a suspect in her murder. Unfortunately, this suspect has passed away, and perhaps took anything he knew about Connie's death to his grave. Although Wayne County Jane Doe's killer has never been brought to justice, she at least has her name back; it's Connie Christensen, and this is her story.

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Introducing: Women and Crime

Women and Crime Podcast is True Crime told by real Criminologists. Amy Shlosberg and co-host Meghan Sacks are both criminologists who have spent their entire careers studying and teaching about crime.

In each episode of Women and Crime, you'll hear about cases involving women as both victims, and offenders. In this preview, you'll hear about the case of Ana Abulaban, in which A perfect Tiktok marriage, hid a violent reality that would quickly turn lethal.

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Episode 138 Yvonne Leroux

Detectives in the York Regional Police, located in Ontario, Canada, had a perplexing scene on their hands in late November 1972. A teenage girl was found dead in the middle of a quiet roadway, bludgeoned to death. It appeared she may have been raped as well. The victim, 16 year old Yvonne Leroux, was well known to police because of her recent history as the victim in a drug-pushing biker gang's threats to her safety. But all investigative avenues in pursuit of this information led nowhere. Detectives over the years revived the case, but got nowhere until they obtained a male DNA profile from Yvonne's autopsy samples in 2001. Finally, in 2021, the investigation turned to IGG, the oldest cold case taken up by Canada's only in-house law enforcement genealogy team. They quickly named the man who had killed Yvonne. Her family was relieved to know who had taken Yvonne from them, although many questions remain unanswered.

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Episode 137 Doe ID: Nora Castillo

In June, 1988, a farmer in Baca County, Colorado found skeletonized human remains on his property. Investigators found nothing in the way of identification, and only a 1986 quarter in a pocket. All investigators knew was that they had found the remains of a young woman, who was likely Hispanic, and although a cause of death could not be determined, severe injuries to her legs, and the overall circumstances led police to think that she was the victim of a homicide. Police had no missing persons cases on women in the area that matched their victim, and her case went cold almost immediately. They kept the Jane Doe's remains for years before finally laying her to rest. Over the years, investigators searched databases for DNA links, and frustratingly, a link was missed by the system that could have given Jane Doe her name back sooner. Eventually, genealogy did provide police with their victim's name. It was Nora Castillo, a young mother from McAllen, Texas, who had gone missing in 1986 or 1987 following a string of struggles in her life. Now that police know who their victim is, they still want to find out how she came to be in the farmer's field in 1988, and who put here there. This Jane Doe finally has her name back; it's Nora Castillo, and this is her story.

If you have any information about Castillo or this case, please contact the Baca County Sheriff's Office at 719-523-4511 or the McAllen Texas Police Department at 956-681-2221.

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Episode 136 Teree Becker and Cherrie Bridgewater Part 3 of 3

This is part 3 of the Becker/Bridgewater case. If you have not listened to parts 1 and 2 yet, please stop now and go back and listen to those two parts first.

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Episode 136 Teree Becker and Cherrie Bridgewater Part 2 of 3

This is part 2 of the Becker/Bridgewater case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now, and go back and listen to part 1 first.

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Episode 136 Teree Becker and Cherrie Bridgewater Part 1 of 3

In 1975, 19 year old free spirit Teree Becker was found in a Westminster, CO field, after hitchhiking toward home two days earlier. Police did everything they could to solve her case, but could not identify the culprit. Then, in 1991, it happened again – this time in Las Vegas, NV. The victim this time was Cherrie Bridgewater. The cases bore some similarities, but as they were 16 years and states apart, they were not connected until DNA linked both murders to the same man. And that man would not be named for another decade, when a complex genealogy analysis finally named the despicable rapist and murderer who had snuffed out the lives of these two young women.

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Introducing: Killer Communications

AbJack Entertainment, the same network that brings you new episodes of DNA: ID every week, has a brand new show launching March 1,2025. It's called Killer Communications, and it's hosted by Mike Morford. In each episode of Killer Communications, Mike discusses a true crime case where one of the clues is a mysterious form of contact; whether it's a frightening phone call to a victim, a mysterious email to the press, or a taunting letter sent to the press, these bizarre communications happen more often than you might think, and sometimes have deadly consequences.

In this short preview of Killer Communications, Season 1 Episode 1, you'll hear about the case of Dale Williams, a father and husband, who was lured from the Nucla, Colorado body shop he owned by a mysterious caller in 1999. He was never seen again. His abandoned truck was found submerged in a local waterway, but there was never any sign of Dale himself. Despite an ex-friend of Dale's being a longtime suspect in the case, police were never able to make an arrest. But that all changed in 2024 when an arrest and answers finally came.

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Episode 135 Doe ID: Maria Telles-Gonzalez

On May 24, 1995, the partially nude body of an unidentified woman was found by a highway worker in a drainage ditch on Cottonhall Road in Yemassee, South Carolina. Authorities believed that the woman, who was Hispanic, had been strangled to death. Police didn't have much to go on, but they scoured missing persons cases across SC and nearby states looking for a victim who might fit the description of their Jane Doe, but they could not find one. They theorized that she had been driven quite some distance before her remains were discarded. With no leads to go on her case went cold. In 2020, officials turned to the victim's DNA for help, and began the process of identifying her through genealogy. They hit pay dirt in 2022. The Yemassee Jane Doe was actually Maria Telles-Gonzalez, a 36 yr old woman who vanished from Kissimmee, Florida in May, 1995 after returning from a trip to Puerto Rico. She was last seen by her husband and children in the weeks before her body was found, but she wasn't reported missing. Due to the fact she wasn't reported missing, and a lack of complete cooperation from her husband, police consider him a person of interest. Police also want to ID a male associate of Maria's who may have been in a relationship with her. They don't know much about him other than he was Hispanic, and his name was Carlos. He stands about 5-foot-8 or 5-foot-10, speaks Spanish and English very well. He may be living in the Orlando or Kissimmee area, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

Now police are working to find out who murdered Maria and dumped her body. Anyone with information about Maria Telles-Gonzalez's disappearance and murder is urged to contact cold case investigator Bob Bromage at 843-816-8013 or by email at robertb@bcgov.net

Maria Telles-Gonzalez now has her name back, and this is her story.

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Episode 134 Cathy Sue Swartz Part 2 of 2

This is the conlusion; part 2 of the Cathy Sue Swartz case. If you did not listen to part 1 yet, please stop now, and go back and listen to that part first.

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Episode 134 Cathy Sue Swartz Part 1 of 2

The brutal, bloody murder of single mom Cathy Sue Swartz in her own home rocked the community of Three Rivers, Michigan. Cathy had been chased down and slain by her killer as her baby lay in her crib in the next room. Investigators had ample evidence to help them identify Cathy's killer: a fingerprint, a footprint, and a possible eyewitness. Over 1000 people provided finger and footprints to police in this case…and yet the killer eluded them. It took the powers of forensic genealogy to identify him, and when they did, police were astonished to learn who he was. But they did not get all the answers they sought – Cathy's killer had the last laugh.

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Episode 133 Doe ID: Pam Wittman

In November, 1980, a road crew doing work along I-95 in Volusia County, Florida, discovered human remains. A medical examiner concluded that the victim was a young woman, but she carried no ID. The strongest clue was a shirt she was wearing with the caption 'Do it in the dirt' on the shirt. Because local police had no missing persons cases that might be a match for the remains, her case went cold, and she was known locally as 'Jane Doe 1980' Police had little to go on but they caught a break when a serial killer named Gerald Stano was caught, and began to share details of his victims. Stano was thought to have dozens of victims in Florida, and other states. He gave details that left little doubt in the mind of investigators that he had killed this Volusia County Jane Doe. Even knowing who had murdered her, they didn't know who she was. Eventually DNA & genealogy came together once again to give this Jane Doe her name back. She was Pam Wittman. Pam from Martinsville, Indiana, had lost touch with her family after moving to Florida and taking a job as an exotic dancer, and sex worker. For years, her family wondered what happened to her. Now they know she died at the hands of a brutal serial killer who is sure to have many more victims. Stano was put to death in Florida's electric chair. After four decades, this Jane Doe has her name back; it's Pam Wittman, and this is her story.

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Episode 132 Lillian Decloe

There's a certain level of outrage that arises from the senseless murder of a senior citizen – 89 year old Lillian Decloe had paid her dues in life and deserved a peaceful retirement in her own home. But in April 1994, someone broke into that home and ended her life in a violent and brutal fashion. Dignified and gracious Lillian was raped, robbed and strangled by persons unknown. Pompano Beach police worked her case, but soon it went the way of so many others, and sat in a box on a shelf. But in that box was Lillian's sexual assault kit – and the key to finding her killer. This is not a genealogy case, but a familial DNA searching case. Through this underutilized and often misunderstood method, Lillian's killer was identified by his own son.

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Episode 131 Doe ID: Chester Breiney

In October, 1959, partial skeletal remains of what was believed to be a little girl was found in a culvert in Ozaukee County, Wisconsin. Surveying the area, investigators found more bones; some of which showed evidence of being fractured, and then healing. The early thought was that this little girl had been abused, and perhaps was killed during one of these attacks, and her body disposed of in a panic. Sure enough, it was determined that the child had been the likely victim of a homicide, but it was also determined that their little girl was actually a little boy. Soon, the boy was linked to the case of a missing boy; Markku Jutila. He has mysteriously vanished without explanation from the home of his parents, William and Hilja Jutila. Michigan police were trying to determine if the little boy in the culvert was actually Markku. Eventually, the Jutilas confessed to police; they had murdered Markku during an abusive attack. Afterwards, they disposed of his body. The mystery wasn't fully solved, because it turns out that Markku had been adopted by the Jutilas, and his birth name was actually, Chester Breiney. Chester finally has his name back, and this is his story.

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Episode 130 Joyce Casper Part 2 of 2

This is the conclusion of the Joyce Casper case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now, and go back and listen to that part first.

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Episode 130 Joyce Casper Part 1 of 2

When respected and esteemed 65 year old businesswoman and mother of three Joyce Casper was found raped and murdered in her car in Boise, Idaho in 1987, the community was shocked to its core. No one could imagine who could have wished harm to Joyce - but police suspected she had reported her own killer. Joyce had been the subject of an attempted attack less than three weeks earlier. Was someone targeting the beloved gift shop owner? Despite having a description of the possible suspect, police could not find him, and Joyce's case stalled. But Joyce was one of those victims that investigators never forgot, and Boise police kept working to find her slayer. A phenotype in 2017 told them what he looked like…but it took an incredibly complex genealogy investigation combined with detective work finally to flush out the name of her killer. And it turned out, Joyce had described him perfectly.

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Released in 2016, "The Trail Went Cold" is a weekly true crime podcast which explores unsolved mysteries and cold cases. On each episode, host Robin Warder examines a new murder or missing persons case, tackling a wide variety of mysteries from different countries and time periods. After sharing all the details about each case, Robin offers his own personal analysis and theories about what happened. At the time of this recording, "The Trail Went Cold" has released over 400 episodes and is approaching its nine-year anniversary as a podcast and some of the cold cases it has covered over the years have even wound up being solved.

One of the cases Robin covered extensively was the case known as 'The Boys on the Tracks".

August 23, 1987. Saline County Arkansas. 16-year old Don Henry and 17-year old Kevin Ives head into the woods to do some late-night hunting, but never return. Hours later, the two boys are seen lying on some railroad tracks before they are run over by a cargo train and the medical examiner concludes they had fallen asleep after smoking marijuana and their deaths were accidental. However, Don and Kevin's families push for a new investigation, which uncovers evidence that they were violently attacked before their bodies were placed on the tracks. Throughout the years, a number of conspiracy theories emerge to suggest the boys were murdered as part of a cover-up involving drug trafficking, but no one is ever charged with the crime. "The Trail Went Cold" released a two-part episode about this convoluted story for their five-year anniversary show.

This is a preview of The Trail Went Cold's coverage of the case and you can find the rest of the story by subscribing to The Trail Went Cold wherever you listen to podcasts or by visiting their website

Silkwood is a multi-part podcast that intricately examines the life of whistleblower Karen Silkwood, the nuclear behemoth she sought to expose, the government's role in potential wrong-doings, and asks the question: What actually happened on that cold and windy November night 50 years ago? Did Karen fall asleep at the wheel and die as the result of a true single-car crash? Did she die for what she knew and what she was on her way to expose? Was it an accident…or something far more sinister?

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Episode 129 2024: The Year in Review

In this episode, Jess recaps all of the cases she presented in 2024 searching for commonalities and differences in the cases, the victims, and the offenders. Of course, Jess also recaps the Jane and John Doe cases, and she provides listeners with some case updates. DNA: ID will return in January, 2025, so keep an eye out on your feeds for new episode. Happy Holidays!

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Episode 128 Terri McAdams Part 2 of 2

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Episode 128 Terri McAdams Part 1 of 2

Terri McAdams seemed to have a promising future ahead of her: a college degree, an upcoming wedding, and the love and support of friends, family, and fiancé. But Terri was conflicted about her personal life, and was also deeply afraid. Someone was murdering young women in the Fort Worth, Texas area – women who were a lot like Terri. On Valentine's Day eve in 1985, Terri was next. Her shockingly brutal murder and the theft of her engagement ring catapulted the Arlington PD into a massive, widespread and ultimately fruitless murder investigation. Time and again, Terri's case was reexamined, and put aside, until at long last, forensic genealogy linked her case to a murder/suicide that had occurred just months after Terri's death.

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Episode 127 Doe: ID 'Mowry Avenue Jane Doe'

On October 24, 1985, the body of a woman was found by hunters near Mowry Avenue in Newark, California. Although the remains were mostly skeletonized, it was clear that she was a homicide victim, and had been shot to death. It was estimated she had been dead for about six months. The dead woman had no ID, and the only items found with her included some barrettes, a watch, a ring on her finger, and some earrings. It was determined that the Jane Doe was a White woman likely 30-36 years old with Reddish Brown hair. Her height was estimated to be between 5ft6 and 5ft8. Without much to go on, "Mowry Avenue Jane Doe" or "Wetlands Jane Doe" was laid to rest, but her case wasn't forgotten. Years later, DNA & genealogy would provide answers, but also more questions. Her birth mother was identified as Marian Marie Richardson of Missouri. A half sister of Jane Doe's was also identified living in Texas. She has been adopted out as a baby by Marian. Marian told her family that she put one child up for adoption, but she never mentioned a second child that she gave up, and there is no record of her putting up another baby for adoption. So we know who Mowry Ave Jane Doe's Mother & half sister are, but we still do not know who she is, and we don't know who murdered her. If she can finally be identified, then maybe her killer can be as well.

Investigators are still working Mowry Ave Jane Doe's case. If you have any information, please contact Newark Police Department Detective Andrew Musantry by phone at 510-578-4956 or email at Andrew.Musantry@newark.org

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Episode 126 The Calgary Murders Part 2 of 2

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Episode 126 The Calgary Murders Part 1 of 2

At long last, Canadian listeners who have been requesting a case get their wish! There was a horrific series of murders of girls and young women in the Calgary area in the 1970s and early 1980s. In particular, teenagers Patsy McQueen and Eva Dvorak, and young women Barbara MacLean and Melissa Rehorek stood out. There was no overt evidence of rape. Some of the deaths weren't even certain to be homicides. No one was sure which cases, if any, were linked. All the cases fell in RCMP jurisdiction, and thousands of hours were spent investigating them. Task forces were formed and folded, wagons were circled… it was all for naught. Until a genealogy team and some dedicated CPS detectives partnered up … and what they uncovered was shocking. In this case, Jess gets unprecedented cooperation from the RCMP about the cold case investigations and the yearlong inquiry into the unmasked killer.

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Episode 125 Doe ID: Peggy Joyce Shelton

On July 19, 1972, the body of an unidentified woman was found by a young boy in Hernando County, Florida off of State Road 50 and High Corner Road in Brooksville. She had been dead for a few months. It was immediately clear to investigators that she was a murder victim who had been strangled to death. The victim was described as between 30 and 40 years old, approximately 5 feet tall, weighing between 125 and 145 pounds, with short brown hair, and they noted she had only six upper and six lower teeth. Police were searching for a mysterious White 1961-1962 Ford Fairlane that they may be connected to the murder. Police didn't have much else to go one other than the bedspread her body had been concealed in. It was described as a "Pineapple Damask" print, and it had three square corners and a rounded corner. The case went cold and the Jane Doe was buried in a Pauper's grave. Decades later, police felt that they could ID their 1972 Jane Doe using forensic genetic genealogy. They exhumed her body, but was in very poor condtion, and they were worried that they would not be able to extract a DNA profile. After much effort, they were able to obtain a file and finally identified the Jane Doe as Peggy Joyce Shelton. When they looked into Peggy's background, they realized that her husband, Jerry Lee Fletcher, was connected to a motel that used bedspreads like the one Peggy was found in. It turns out that he never reported his wife missing. When police looked at his background, they found evidence of other victims with similar MO, and came to realize that he may have been a serial killer. Fletcher died in prison in 2014. Peggy Joyce Shelton finally has her name back, and this is her story.

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Episode 124 Maria Honzell Part 2 of 2

This is the conclusion of the Maria Honzell case. If you have not listened to part one now, please stop now and go back and listen to that part first.

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Episode 124 Maria Honzell Part 1 of 2

In February 1977, 14 year old Maria Honzell was babysitting for two little boys in her apartment complex. While everyone thought the boys were asleep, someone stabbed her to death and left he bloodied body in the bedroom. But the boys weren't asleep – and one of them witnessed the crime. His description of the killer drove the investigation for years to come – but didn't help solve the case. It took CeCe Moore and forensic genealogy to do that. When the police learned the name of the killer … it did not answer a lot of questions about what led up to the murder of Maria Honzell.

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Episode 123 Doe ID: Melissa Highsmith

This Doe ID episode is a bit different from most other ones, because the victim in this case is alive and well. In August, 1971, when Melissa Highsmith was just 22 months old, her mother Alta; desperate for a babysitter, allowed a stranger she didn't know to watch over her little girl in Fort Worth, Texas. Alta was terrified when the woman never contacted her again, and took Melissa with her. The woman had provided Alta with fake information, and no real way to contact her. With not much to go on, police were not much help. Alta prayed and believed in her heart that the woman who took Melissa did so because she wanted a little girl and would raise her and keep her safe.

Decades later, Alta along with her family members who never gave up hope that Melissa was out there someplace, began to do their own investigation, and called upon genealogy to help find her. After uploading their DNA profiles to a public database, they found family members that they believed to be biological children of Melissa. More digging proved that they were correct, and they were finally reunited with Melissa who had indeed been raised by a woman she thought was her mother under an assumed name; Melanie Miyoko . Although Melissa had many struggles in her life, she was alive, and happy to reunite with her real family. She now has her real name back; it's Melissa Highsmith, and this is her story.

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Episode 122 Patricia Stichler Part 2 of 2

This is the conclusion of the Patricia Stichler case. If you have not listened to part 1 yet, please stop now and go back and listen to that part first.

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Episode 122 Patricia Stichler Part 1 of 2

New Years' Day 1985 should have rung in an exciting new year for Patti Stichler and her three young daughters. Instead, in the middle of the night on January 1-2, someone slashed and stabbed Patti to death in her bedroom. Her three girls, ages 11, 9 and 6, were in their bedrooms just feet away. The oldest, Andrea, was the one to find her mom, and also found the most significant clue the police had – the open window in the blood-stained bathroom, and the gaping curtains that had been cut away from it. A knife sheath was found right outside, but the killer eluded police for decades. Sylvania, OH investigators focused on people Patti knew, but could not link anyone in her inner circle to the crime. Decades later, a very complex forensic genealogy analysis that required interpreting one-sided DNA matches, piercing adoption records, and a lot of luck, finally provided a name – and it was not who anyone suspected.

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Episode 121 Doe: ID 'Oscar Talley Road Jane Doe' Shawna Beth Garber

In December, 1990, a couple discovered a human skull on an abandoned farm on Oscar Talley Road near Lanagan, Missouri. A search of the area by police revealed more bones, and clothing. The remains were determined to be that of a woman, but she carried no ID. A white towel had been wrapped around the woman's head, and she was tied with several types of bindings made up of ropes, cords, and coax cables. Due to the state of decomposition, the cause and manner of death could not be determined, but police were confident that the woman had been the victim of a homicide. The dead woman was given the name 'Oscar Talley Road Jane Doe' and police went about trying to figure out how she died and who was responsible; but first, they needed to find out their victim's name, and it would take decades. Along the way, her remains would even be misplaced, and finding them became an investigation within the investigation. In 2021, after more than three decades, genealogy and DNA were used to identify 'Oscar Talley Road Jane Doe' as Shawna Beth Garber. She was 22 years old when she died in 1990. As tragic as the end of her life was, as investigators dug into her background, it seemed as if Shawna never had an easy life; instead it was filled with abuse, and being separated from her family. Now that police knew who their victim was, they focused on finding the person that killed her, and they zeroed in on a man named Taffey Reeves. Unfortunately, Reeves was dead by the time this case was solved, and when investigators looked into his background, they found a disturbing pattern of crimes that led them to believe he was a serial killer. The investigation into Reeves and whether he has other victims is ongoing. After more than three decades, 'Oscar Talley Road Jane Doe' has her name back; it's Shawna Beth Garber, and this is her story.

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Episode 120 Melinda Salazar and Carrole Ann White

Starting in 2017, someone started killing women in southwest Detroit, MI. The killer struck at night, and always used the same weapon – his car. Detroit police realized that they had a serial killer on their hands. His MO was always the same – pick up a white, female sex worker; have a sexual encounter with her in his vehicle; and then, run her down with that vehicle and rob her. He was brazen, ruthless, and active, with at least five cases fitting his MO. Despite all the trappings of modern technology at detectives' disposal, they could not identify the Hit and Run Killer. Finally, the application of forensic genealogy in an active investigation gave detectives what they needed – a name. This episode features an exclusive interview with CeCe Moore on her genealogy analysis, and brings to listeners a case that received very little media coverage.

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Episode 119 Doe: ID 'Chimney Doe' Ronnie Joe Kirk

In 1989, a custodian in a music store in Madison, Wisconsin discovered human remains in the chimney. At first, it was not clear that the remains were of a male or female, and remnants on clothing though to be a dress fueled confusion. An expert told police that the remains certainly belonged to a man, but since there was no ID with the body, they had no idea who the person was, nor did they know how their body had managed to get down the very small opening of the chimney, or if he was a homicide victim. For years the case remained a mystery, and the man was named 'Chimney Doe'. Eventually, DNA & genealogy proved that the remains were that of Ronnie Joe Kirk who dropped from sight in 1970 after losing contact with his family. Kirk was born in Oklahoma and is known to have travelled through Alabama, California, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Texas and Wisconsin. Authorities now know who he is, but how his remains got where they were found, and whether or not he's a homicide victim, remain a mystery and police are still trying to put the pieces together. Chimney Doe now has his name back; it's Ronnie Joe Kirk, and this is his story.

Episode 118 Donna Sue Hyatt

Donna Sue Hyatt was a loving daughter, sister, mother and grandmother who faced some challenges in life. She relied on her friends, family and faith to help her put a smile on her face every day, and she was always friendly, chatty and sunny – until someone murdered her on her living room floor. There were plenty of suspects both in Donna Sue's life and in the larger Carlsbad, NM area she called home. But police could not pin the crime on any one of them, although they had their suspicions. Eventually the case went cold. DNA testing in 2010 revived the case, but could not solve it. It would take the advent of forensic genealogy to link a repeat offender to Donna's brutal slaying – someone who had gotten away with it before.

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