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The New Music Business with Ari Herstand

The New Music Business with Ari Herstand

Ari's Take

**WEBBY AWARD FOR BEST MUSIC PODCAST**

“#1 music industry podcast to help keep you in the loop” -Spotify

“The 10 Best Music Business Podcasts of 2022" – Variety

Ari Herstand is the best-selling author of How To Make It in the New Music Business. Forbes calls him “The poster child of DIY music.” In this show, he deconstructs the brightest minds in the music industry, digging deep to find the tools, tactics, and strategies that listeners can use to run successful careers of their own. Ari offers straight talk with no fluff and doesn’t let his guests off easy. If there is a way, Ari will find it.


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  • 254 - How This Indie Publishing Company Got Over 100 #1 Hits

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Chris Farren, Grammy-nominated songwriter and founder of Combustion Music, a Nashville-based music publishing and artist development company responsible for more than 100 number-one hits.

    Chris shares decades of experience navigating the music business, from writing hit songs to building a publishing company and developing artists. Ari and Chris break down how professional songwriters get signed, how songwriting rooms work, how publishing deals and advances are structured, and how songwriters earn royalties.


    Follow Chris Farren:

    https://www.instagram.com/combustionmusic/

    https://www.combustionmusic.com/


    Check out Ari’s Take:

    https://aristake.com


    05:54 - Building a music publishing company and developing artists

    15:32 - How music publishers pay songwriters

    26:07 - Songwriting as a craft: practice, productivity, and getting better

    28:16 - Teaching songwriters to write for the market without sacrificing creativity

    30:44 - Writing songs for specific artists

    32:00 - How artists' involvement in songwriting has changed

    37:58 - How songwriting rooms work

    39:15 - Pitching songs and getting them to artists

    57:51 - Music catalogs and the renewed life of older songs

    58:37 - Advice for aspiring professional songwriters


    Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


    Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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    Wed, 28 Oct 2026 - 1h 08min
  • 253 - How the Major Labels Use AI Fans To Market Music

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Joe Lim, founder and CEO of Floodify, a marketing technology company that has distributed over 2 million short-form videos for major labels including Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group, and Sony Music.


    Joe pulls back the curtain on the rapidly evolving world of music marketing, explaining how burner accounts, clipping networks, AI-generated content, fan pages, influencer campaigns, and algorithm-driven distribution are shaping the careers of artists today. We explore the ethics behind these tactics, the concept of the “dead internet,” how major labels and marketers use social media at scale, and what independent artists can learn from these strategies.


    Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/joelimmmmm

    Floodify: https://www.floodify.io/


    Check out Ari’s Take:

    https://aristake.com


    04:42 – Welcome & State of Modern Music Marketing

    07:06 – Why Music Marketing is Behind Other Industries

    08:42 – What Are Burners, Fan Pages, and Clipping?

    13:29 – Commercialized Clipping & Platforms Like WHOP

    17:19 – Phone Farms and Managing Accounts at Scale

    21:21 – Using AI to Find and Generate Viral Clips

    29:56 – Modern Marketing Strategies for Independent Artists

    31:19 – The Evolution of Floodify (Floodify 2.0)

    40:41 – Dead Internet Theory, Bots, and Comment Farming

    44:25 – Is Authenticity Dead? Playing the Game to Make a Career


    Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


    Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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    Wed, 21 Oct 2026 - 58min
  • 252 - How To Build An Independent Artist Career From The Ground Up

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Toni Nelson, artist manager, business manager, and co-founder of 1990 Records.


    Toni Nelson is an artist manager and co-founder of 1990 Records with a background in retail fashion and mental health clinical work. Combining expertise in behavioral science with music industry operations, Nelson specializes in sustainable artist development, data analytics, and guiding independent artists like Adrian Daniel, to build long-term, monetizable careers while protecting their intellectual property.


    Follow Toni Nelson:

    https://www.instagram.com/1990records19/

    https://1990records.org/

    Check out Ari’s Take:

    https://aristake.com


    04:01 - What it Means to Build a Creative & Fan Community

    09:00 - Protecting IP & Using Split Sheets in the Studio

    13:14 - Navigating Producer Credits, Writer Splits & Work for Hire

    18:18 - Release Strategies & Tracking Data with Music Analytics

    23:27 - How Independent Artists Can Monetize Their Audience

    27:38 - Staying Independent vs. Label Licensing Deals

    32:45 - When is an Emerging Artist Ready to Tour?

    36:22 - Case Study: Developing Adrian Daniel's Career

    43:17 - Mental Health & What It Means to Make It in Music


    Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

    Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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    Wed, 14 Oct 2026 - 53min
  • 251 - How Deezer is Approaching AI Music And Payments

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Alexis Lanternier, the CEO of global music streaming platform Deezer. Together, they break down the massive influx of AI-generated music flooding streaming services, Deezer’s pioneering efforts in AI detection and fraud removal, and the future of fair artist payouts through user-centric royalty systems.


    Follow Alexis Lanternier:

    https://www.instagram.com/deezer/

    https://www.deezer.com/us/


    Check out Ari’s Take:

    https://aristake.com


    05:45 - The Reality of AI Music Flooding Streaming Services

    10:23 - How Deezer Detects Streaming Fraud & Purges AI Bots

    13:42 - Tagging AI Music & Algorithmic Recommendation Rules

    18:32 - Generative AI: Creative Assistive Tool vs. Fully AI Music

    24:40 - In-App Fan Remix Tools & Licensing Fair Payouts

    33:36 - The Flaw in Market-Centric Payouts vs. User-Centric Payouts

    42:15 - Major Label Licensing Deals & Independent Artist Royalty Rates

    50:37 - Powering Winamp & What It Means to "Make It" in Music Today


    Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


    Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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    Thu, 08 Oct 2026 - 54min
  • 250 - How This Classical Piano/Cello Duo Built a Sustainable Career For Their Family

    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Patrick Laird, cellist and co-founder of the classical cover duo, Brooklyn Duo. Patrick breaks down how he and his wife built a music career without traditional touring. He discusses their journey from viral YouTube videos to building an evergreen passive income model, navigating revenue streams across Pandora, Spotify, and YouTube, the intricacies of sheet music publishing, catalog acquisition offers, and why creating utility-based music enabled the creative freedom to pursue personal projects.


    Follow Patrick Laird:

    https://www.patricklaird.com/

    https://www.instagram.com/brooklynduo/


    Check out Ari’s Take:

    https://aristake.com


    03:55 - Brooklyn Duo’s Origins & Moving Beyond Classical

    07:16 - Early Viral Success & Going Full Time

    12:50 - Monetization: Pandora, YouTube, and SoundExchange

    22:20 - Sheet Music Licensing & Publishing via Musicnotes

    30:20 - Arranging Process & Delegation Between Patrick & Marnie

    38:50 - Strategic Pivot to High Production Location Videos

    52:45 - Building an Evergreen "Utility" Model for Streaming

    58:30 - Retaining Masters & Rejecting Catalog Buyouts

    01:10:20 - What It Means to "Make It" in the New Music Business


    Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

    Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Wed, 30 Sep 2026 - 1h 11min
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