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Future-Proof PT

Dana Strauss, PT, DPT and Alex Bendersky, PT, DPT

Want to stay ahead of the curve in physical therapy? Future Proof PT brings you straight-talking, no-nonsense conversations about what really matters in healthcare today. From dissecting policy risks and opportunities to exploring innovative practice and payment models to practical ways to accelerate your career growth, we're your go-to source for understanding the forces reshaping our profession and the healthcare industry at large.


Through candid dialogue and real-world perspectives, we're building a community of forward-thinking professionals working both in and out of direct patient care. They aren't just adapting to change – they're shaping it.


Whether you're looking to understand market dynamics or seeking professional growth, each episode delivers actionable insights that will transform how you view the future of healthcare. Come join the conversation!

39 - Episode 39: Dr. Robert Pearl: Why Healthcare Undervalues PT, and What Could Change That
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  • 39 - Episode 39: Dr. Robert Pearl: Why Healthcare Undervalues PT, and What Could Change That

    How value-based payment, integrated care, and AI could expand physical therapy’s role and reward the outcomes that matter to patients.


    Find the full transcript and Dr. Pearl's bio here.


    Physical therapists help people recover, stay independent, and avoid more costly care. So why doesn’t the healthcare system consistently reward that value? What would it take to change it?


    Dr. Robert Pearl, M.D., former CEO of The Permanente Medical Group and author of ChatGPT, MD, joins Dana and Alex to connect three forces that could reshape physical therapy: payment models, integrated care, and artificial intelligence. Drawing on his experience leading within Kaiser Permanente, Dr. Pearl explains how paying to keep people healthy changes the value of prevention, and why physical therapists should be more fully involved in planning and delivering care longitudinally.


    He also encourages therapy professionals to consider this: What could you accomplish if you could support every patient at home, every day? We explore how AI could extend therapists’ reach between visits, give clinicians better information, and support recovery while preserving human connection.


    From joint-replacement care to specialist incentives and patient trust, this conversation explores how better care and lower costs can work together. Dr. Pearl challenges clinicians like this: we have the expertise to help shape what comes next. We need to participate to we get a healthcare future we believe in. For therapists, there is a very real opportunity to become more central to prevention, recovery, and population health if we actively shape how those pieces come together.


    Chapters:


    00:00 The Tension in Healthcare: Patient Care vs. Payment Systems

    02:13 The Role of Technology in Patient Support and Prevention

    02:41 Introduction and Dr. Pearl's background

    06:30 Transition from volume-based to value-based care

    08:00 Incentives and their influence on healthcare resource utilization

    09:53 Controlling chronic diseases through capitation and technology

    11:26 Stinting on care and the importance of long-term outcomes

    13:19 Cost of healthcare and the potential savings with capitation

    14:45 Healthcare spending in the US versus other nations

    15:50 Complex systems and delivering care effectively

    17:12 The role of modern technology and AI in healthcare

    18:39 Using AI to enhance physical therapy and patient outcomes

    21:01 The future of AI in healthcare and physical therapy

    21:03 Addressing healthcare shortages with technology

    24:19 Outpatient care and rapid recovery models

    26:37 The exponential growth of AI and its implications

    29:47 AI as an agent to fill care gaps and improve outcomes

    33:01 Reimagining physical therapy and preventive care

    36:08 Incentives for specialists and population-based care

    39:41 Empathy in healthcare and the role of AI

    42:05 Building trust and showing care through technology

    43:14 Dr. Pearl's philanthropic efforts and closing remarks


    Find more information about Dr. Pearl onRobertPearlMD.com


    *All ideas and opinions are those of the podcast participants only and are not advice. For informational and entertainment purposes only.*


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    Thu, 05 Nov 2026
  • 38 - Episode 38: What Makes Physical Therapy Worth Paying For?

    Finding the physical therapist's moat, and proving our value to patients, employers, payers, and other providers in an AI-enabled healthcare system.


    Find thefull transcript here.


    Your next competitor may never open a clinic down the road.


    As employers look for more affordable, convenient healthcare, physical therapists face growing competition from digital-first companies and employer-based services. In this episode, Alex and Dana use KFF’s employer health benefits survey as a starting point to explore what these changes mean for clinicians, practice owners, and the profession.


    They discuss direct-to-employer contracts, financial risk, alternatives to visit-driven care, and the infrastructure practices need to serve patients differently. Then they tackle a harder question: What is physical therapy’s “moat”—the expertise and value that others cannot easily replicate?


    From movement assessment and triage to a stronger role in primary and urgent care, they challenge

    therapists to connect their skills to the outcomes patients and purchasers need, and consider where to start.


    Chapters:


    0:08 – Why KFF's annual employer survey matters

    1:40 – Self-insurance and who carries the financial risk

    2:52 – Premiums may rise 5%, while out-of-pocket costs climb further

    3:11 – Affordability challenges the fee-for-service treadmill

    4:36 – Earlier access, broader primary care, and AI

    6:29 – Could direct employer contracts work for PT providers?

    9:57 – Employers want providers to control total costs

    13:02 – Digital-first competitors are already taking risk

    17:30 – Rural innovation funding and the role of e-consults

    17:54 – A clinic-readiness ladder for technology and risk

    20:54 – Building and proving the profession's value

    23:08 – A practical first step: learn more and meet more people


    Find KFF's 2026 Employer Health Benefits Survey here.


    *All ideas and opinions are those of the podcast participants only and are not advice. For informational and entertainment purposes only.*


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    Thu, 29 Oct 2026
  • 37 - Episode 37: Can Technology Really Change Health?

    Alex and Dana explore AI, patient behavior, and the gap between technological innovation and meaningful health outcomes.


    Technology may transform how care is delivered, but therapists' ability to influence human behavior could be their most enduring value.


    Find the full transcript here.


    Listen in on the conversation about the forces reshaping healthcare and the therapy professions.

    We begin with the upcoming midterm elections, potential shifts in healthcare policy, and the future of Medicare innovation models under changing political leadership.


    From there, the conversation turns to a bigger question: Can artificial intelligence, digital health, and robotics fundamentally improve health outcomes, or does meaningful progress still depend on changing human behavior?


    Dana and Alex explore patient agency, the slow and often underestimated nature of lasting change, and the possibilities technology creates for expanding access to care and reducing human suffering.


    They close with a challenge to physical, occupational, and speech therapists: Are we placing too much value on hands-on techniques and too little on our greatest strengths and value we provide to the healthcare ecosystem and the population: clinical reasoning, patient engagement, and the ability to help people change their behavior?


    The episode covers the intersection of policy, technology, and human potential, and what it will take to future-proof the therapy professions.


    *All ideas and opinions are those of the podcast participants only and not advice. For informational and entertainment purposes only.*


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    Thu, 22 Oct 2026
  • 36 - Episode 36: | Grown Up and In Demand, with APTA President Kyle Covington

    The momentum behind physical therapists, the payers still holding on to an old picture of PT, and what new grads need to stay in the profession.


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    Kyle teaches at Duke, spent years in hospital-based care as a board-certified neurologic specialist, and started PT school in 2001, when direct access and the DPT were the new conversation. He's candid about how hard it is to be a clinician right now, and he's optimistic anyway. Here's what you'll hear:


    You're going to see your physical therapist. When Kyle takes his dog in, he's going to see the veterinarian. He says physical therapists put the "sent for PT" language on ourselves, and it's on us to make clear that patients come to see a clinical expert.He ties it to the century of referral-only, incident-to history the profession is still undoing, even with direct access in every state.


    Nothing magic happens at minute eight. Dana points out that the eval and re-eval are the only codes for work only a physical therapist can do. The rest of the code set was built for an earlier era of PT education, and it misses the work we do without pay: coordinating care, reassessing, modifying plans, talking with patients between visits, and much more. Kyle's answer is outcomes. The data in your documentation is what moves payment toward value and complexity, and it's why APTA's Value of PT report keeps adding diagnoses as the evidence comes in.


    Physicians already want their patients to see us. APTA's report on primary care physicians came back positive: they think their patients need physical therapists. They just don't know how to get patients to us. Dana calls it being "aligned with our primary care colleagues," and Kyle says he's stealing the phrase. After decades of turf battles, his message to the profession is "It's got to be a contribution, not a competition."


    Keep PT in your signature. Kyle names the loan debt and housing costs newer clinicians face that he never did, and Dana gets personal about what it costs to be a PT in northern New Jersey. Kyle wants everyone who moves into other roles like insurance, administration, tech, or city council to introduce themselves as a PT first. Nurses and physicians keep their nursing or physician identity in every leadership role they take, and that's how they get advocates at tables where we're missing.


    Cash-based practice is evidence. Dana worries that a profession serving only people who can pay out of pocket drifts away from mainstream medicine. Kyle agrees it can't meet society's needs, and he sees something useful in it: proof that people with the means will pay a lot more for what physical therapists do. He wants to use that proof to improve payment in network.


    PT For Future Me. APTA's consumer campaign pitches physical therapists as the clinicians who keep you active 20 years from now and able to play with your grandkids. Kyle says the public and lawmakers are coming around. Private payers still picture PT as post-surgical care, and he wants a campaign aimed right at them.


    Tech companies are coming to physical therapists. APTA treats AI as an opportunity and has an AI framework report on the way. Kyle points to the CSM exhibit hall as proof that tech now comes looking for us, and he reminds us the profession has adapted before: when polio disappeared, PTs moved with the technology.


    Kyle is optimistic, and he backs it up with record years of state advocacy wins, bipartisan standing in Congress, and physicians and tech companies asking for more of us. Keeping that going is everyone's job, member or not.


    Chapters:


    00:00 Welcome, APTA President Kyle Covington

    01:22 Where direct access stands now

    07:39 The eval, the re-eval, and the work we don't get paid for

    11:37 "Sent for PT" and the veterinarian test

    12:55 Nothing magic happens at minute eight

    16:15 Downstream spend and aligning with primary care

    21:13 Burnout, loan debt, and what new grads face

    26:23 Why PTs are leaving the clinic

    28:20 Cash-based practice and keeping PT in your signature

    31:20 PTs as experts in behavior change

    33:08 PT For Future Me and public health

    34:45 AI and technology

    37:23 PT first and the case to private payers

    39:27 Bipartisan support and record state wins

    41:26 Wrap-up


    A few quotes from Kyle to listen for:


    "We've known for a long time that nothing magic happens between minute eight and minute nine, or minute fifteen and minute sixteen. The magic that happens is the exercise prescription and the clinical expertise that we apply."


    "We need to own that you are coming to the expertise of this clinical expert. You're going to see your physical therapist."


    "They all think that their patients need us. The misdirect is they don't know how to get their patients to us."


    "It can't be a competition anymore. It's got to be a contribution."


    "They face a world outside of PT from a loan burden standpoint, from a cost of buying a house standpoint that I didn't face when I was coming out of PT."


    "What it is doing in a way that we've never had before is showing that society is willing to pay a lot more for our services."


    "PT is in my signature. PT is what I was trained to do. And it's because of my PT training that I'm so good at this other role."


    "We're your provider that's going to keep you active two decades from now. We're your provider that's going to make sure you can play with your grandkids."


    "It's technology saying, you know what we need? We need physical therapists."


    "You chose this profession, and it's all of our collective responsibility to grow that fire."


    Find the full transcript and Kyle's bio here.


    Follow Kyle on LinkedIn here.


    Download the APTA's Report "The Economic Value of Physical Therapy in the United States."Linked here.


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    Subscribe to our sister newsletter,Timeless Autonomy,Dana covers health policy insights and career growth tips for healthcare professionals and sends a weekly newsletter (nearly) every Sunday evening.


    Want information on PT and OT reimbursement and opportunities in policy and advocacy? Read Dana's guest post series for OT Potential here: How OTs and PTs Get Paid and Therapy and Value-Based Care Models.

    Mon, 28 Sep 2026
  • 35 - Episode 35: AI Was the Boogeyman. A Year Later, Everyone Was Using It.

    Chris Hoekstra watched PT's AI panic flip in twelve months at the same annual meeting, and he explains what that reversal says about how this profession actually changes.


    Chris has been a PT for about 25 years. He also holds a PhD in clinical informatics, teaches organizational behavior at Oregon Health & Science University, and leads clinical transformation work at Therapeutic Associates. He calls himself a sociotechnologist, and that turned out to be the right word for this conversation.


    We got into why PT has been slow to adopt technology, why most therapists can't tell you what an RVU is when every physician can, the difference between quality and value, and what Chris thinks leadership actually requires. He also tells the story of a quality dashboard rollout that made therapists call in sick.


    What we cover:


    → Why the HITECH Act money went to medicine and PT paid its own way → The four levers that decide whether anybody changes anything → The gap between the scope therapists have and the codes they can bill → Quality and value, and why treating them as the same word keeps us stuck → What $800 a day buys in a skilled nursing facility → Why a quality number feels like a verdict on your character → What CMS is signaling in this year's requests for information → The three ingredients that put a clinician in flow


    Chapters:


    00:00 Meet Chris Hoekstra

    02:15 Why PT lagged on technology

    04:05 What actually forces change

    07:13 When patients start acting like consumers

    10:29 The four levers behind every decision

    12:45 The scope we have and the codes we don't

    15:41 "I want an hour with my patients"

    16:55 Quality and value are not the same

    19:16 $800 a day to walk down the hall

    22:09 The patient who wants the ultrasound

    24:34 The 10 percent echo chamber

    25:30 A failure of leadership

    29:26 They have to feel it

    31:12 Confident humility and one percent better

    32:26 Every physician knows what an RVU is

    35:06 AI, second brains, and what it's for

    37:45 When AI alone outperformed the doctor

    38:28 From boogeyman to ChatGPT in one year

    41:56 The dashboard that made PTs call in sick

    43:46 What quality even means anymore

    46:06 What CMS is signaling in the RFIs

    48:31 PT as prevention

    50:40 Part of the primary care team

    53:29 The recipe for flow

    54:36 What every PT should understand


    A few quotes from Chris during in this episode. Listen for them:


    "I had more than one PT, the first day we rolled it out, call in sick, because they thought maybe they would be the lowest performing person on that dashboard. That's the amount of fear we have with people when you start to show these."


    "Historically we've dumbed down PT to say it's visits plus units."


    "We went from one year boogeyman to the next year put everything in ChatGPT. It just takes a couple of people getting a good outcome from it. And we're lemmings, so we're gonna follow."


    "We teach our PTs to look at the efficacy of their care in a frame of one, always. What we rarely do is roll those up into populations to say, how am I doing en masse?"


    "Be confident, but first be humble. Every day step into it saying, I'm not where I need to be. And if I am, I should probably retire."


    "MIPS has been a travesty in many respects, with an overfocus on process measures that actually don't change care. Everyone's gonna game the system when you throw money at it."


    Find the full transcript and Chris' bio here.

    Follow Chris on Linked Inhere.


    Hosts: Alex Bendersky and Dana Strauss


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    Subscribe to our sister newsletter,Timeless Autonomy,Dana covers health policy insights and career growth tips for healthcare professionals and sends a weekly newsletter (nearly) every Sunday evening.


    Want information on PT and OT reimbursement and opportunities in policy and advocacy? Read Dana's guest post series for OT Potential here: How OTs and PTs Get Paid and Therapy and Value-Based Care Models.

    Sat, 19 Sep 2026
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