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World Class

Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies, Stanford University

Podcast from the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies (FSI) at Stanford University, featuring Director Colin Kahl, former under secretary of defense for policy at the U.S. Department of Defense. Colin and his guests dive into critical international issues, offering insights into the history and context of the biggest stories in the news.

175 - A Technological Pearl Harbor? Amy Zegart on AI, National Security, and Who Holds Power
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  • 175 - A Technological Pearl Harbor? Amy Zegart on AI, National Security, and Who Holds Power

    Great powers were once built on tangible assets: territory, armies, oil, ships and steel. While those still matter, power in today's world also comes from data, knowledge, and algorithms. And, unlike in previous eras, much of that power now sits with private companies, a domain U.S. intelligence agencies weren’t designed to track. FSI Senior Fellow Amy Zegart warns this leaves America open to a technological Pearl Harbor, where a competitor like China leapfrogs the U.S. in the technology race with devastating results for national security. She joins Colin Kahl on World Class to discuss how intelligence agencies can keep up, why frontier AI models need independent testing, and what this summer’s OpenAI–Hugging Face hack says about concentrated corporate power. They also explore how drones are changing the rules of coercion. As Russian drones probe NATO’s skies and U.S. interceptor stockpiles run low, Zegart makes the case for why the spear factory, rather than the tip of the spear, may become a nation's most credible signal of resolve and deterrence.

    Fri, 16 Oct 2026 - 33min
  • 174 - Why Do Nations Go to War? Jim Fearon on Ukraine, Iran, and His Pentagon Years

    James Fearon, one of the preeminent thinkers in international relations, joins Colin Kahl to talk about why conflicts around the world are roaring back, and how more might be prevented. Fearon shares his perspectives from academia and government on why and how the conflicts in Ukraine and Iran are unfolding, and how an active conflict could be avoided with China in the Indo-Pacific.

    Tue, 8 Sep 2026 - 33min
  • 173 - Policy Leaders at OpenAI and Anthropic on AI in National Security

    The heads of national security policy at OpenAI and Anthropic join World Class to discuss how artificial intelligence is intersecting with national security, the U.S.-China AI race, and how the risks and advantages of AI are resonating in the national security space. Together with host Colin Kahl, Sasha Baker (OpenAI) and Tarun Chabra (Anthropic) dive into the Hugging Face server breach, AI safety proposals on Capitol Hill, and new models like Kimi K3 coming online.

    Tue, 4 Aug 2026 - 42min
  • 172 - The Technology Reshaping Our World

    Artificial intelligence, social media, biotechnology, energy systems, propaganda, and geopolitics — each is transformative on its own, but together they're converging in unprecedented ways that are rapidly reshaping our world. On this episode of World Class, Colin Kahl shares expertise and insights from a panel of scholars on how emerging technologies are impacting society, politics, and global security.

    Thu, 21 May 2026 - 43min
  • 171 - How to Prevent a War with China Over Taiwan

    Even though China is the main global competitor to the United States, has there been sufficient planning in Washington on how the U.S. might respond to aggression against the island of Taiwan by Beijing? Eyck Freymann wants to make sure there is. He joins Colin Kahl on World Class to discuss his new book, "Defending Taiwan: A Strategy to Prevent War with China," which outlines how the U.S. can integrate its military strength, economic leverage, technological leadership, and diplomatic influence into a single, coherent plan to prevent war.

    Tue, 28 Apr 2026 - 44min
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