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Back from the Borderline

Back from the Borderline

Mollie Adler

Back from the Borderline explores how human beings construct, inherit, interpret and sometimes misunderstand the ideas and beliefs through which they experience reality. Through depth psychology, religious history, Western esotericism and philosophy, I investigate how we come to believe what we believe, who influences those beliefs and how they affect the way we understand ourselves and the world.


A lot of my work comes back to the relationship between consciousness, belief and power.


How do institutions influence what people consider true, and why do we sometimes defend explanations we’ve never seriously questioned? Following these questions has taken me into some pretty unexpected territory, from early Christianity and the Western occult tradition to Jungian psychology, artificial intelligence and anomalous experiences. I’m also drawn to the ways spiritual teachings change as they’re passed between generations, and how institutions can preserve extraordinary wisdom while sometimes interfering with the very spiritual development they were meant to encourage.


You’ll find conversations with scholars and independent researchers here, alongside long-form essays where I spend time with historical sources and competing interpretations. Some of the ideas I explore are controversial. Others have been debated for centuries, although most of us were never taught much about them. I don’t assume an institution is correct because it has authority, or that an unconventional theory is true because someone claims it was suppressed. I’m willing to reconsider my own conclusions as I learn, and I hope you’ll feel encouraged to do the same.


I started this podcast years ago while trying to understand my own mind. Those early investigations into psychological suffering gradually led me toward the philosophical and religious traditions through which people have understood consciousness and human experience for centuries. There’s quite an archive here now, and I’ve kept much of it available, including episodes that reflect ideas I’ve since reconsidered.


If you’re new, you can start wherever you like. There’s no need to go all the way back to the first episode.


Even the title has taken on a different meaning over the years. Back from the Borderline now speaks to the boundaries I keep finding myself investigating, between psychology and theology, science and spiritual experience, accepted knowledge and ideas that have been pushed aside. I hope this can be a place where we explore those questions together, develop our own judgment and consider how what we learn might change the way we live.


You can explore the full podcast archive, House of Cards, my ongoing Tarot series, and MOODS, my reflective intelligence app, at backfromtheborderline.com. Patreon members can also connect their membership to Spotify to listen to the complete archive there.


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  • 429 - Who Would I Have Been Without Antidepressants?

    Cameron LaBar was nine years old when he was prescribed Paxil. Twenty-six years later, he’s still taking antidepressants, measuring his daily dose of Lexapro with a tiny oral syringe as he attempts to taper off medication he’s taken for nearly his entire remembered life. He’s thirty-five now, with no previous experience of adulthood without psychiatric drugs.

    The question he’s been living with now is painfully simple: Who would I have been?


    Known online as Cold Plunge Cam, Cameron has spent years documenting his experience with psychiatric medication and withdrawal. His story raises difficult questions about childhood prescribing, informed consent and the explanations we give people about their own suffering. It also reveals how deeply a medical diagnosis can influence someone’s understanding of themselves, especially when that explanation is introduced before they’re old enough to question it.


    Joining Cam is Danish clinical psychologist and researcher Anders Sørensen, author of Crossing Zero, whose work focuses on psychiatric-drug withdrawal and tapering. Anders leads much of the conversation, drawing on his clinical experience while Cam revisits a childhood spent under psychiatric care. Their exchange moves into the emotional consequences of long-term medication, family relationships and the difficulty of separating withdrawal from the return of earlier distress.


    Recorded among friends who met through Laura Delano’s Inner Compass Initiative, this conversation leaves some of its hardest questions unresolved. It also asks us to reconsider how confidently we’ve explained the human mind, and how much we’ve learned from the people who’ve spent decades living with the consequences of psychiatric treatment.


    ✧ MEET THE GUESTS

    Cameron LaBar (Cold Plunge Cam)

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coldplungecam/


    Anders Sørensen

    Website: https://www.psykologanders.dk/

    Writing: https://crossingzero.substack.com/

    Book, Crossing Zero: https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Zero-Science-Staying-Psychiatric/dp/8797625906

    Interview: https://www.psychiatrymargins.com/p/the-clinical-craft-of-psychiatric


    ✧ EXPLORE

    Critical Psychiatry Patreon Collection | 57 episodes


    ✧ INNER COMPASS INITIATIVE

    2027 Boston Conference | January 26–28:https://conference.theinnercompass.org/

    Inner Compass Initiative:https://www.theinnercompass.org/

    Laura Delano | Unshrunk:https://www.lauradelano.com/

    Click here to listen to my 2025 Interview with Laura


    ✧ FURTHER READING

    Mark Horowitz & David Taylor | Antidepressant Tapering: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30850328/

    Joanna Moncrieff et al. | Serotonin Theory Review: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-022-01661-0


    LISTENER NOTE: This is a conversation among friends about lived experience and psychiatric research. This isn’t therapy or medical advice. Never abruptly discontinue psychiatric medication; consult a qualified clinician about medication changes.


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    EXPLORE MORE ON PATREON:Back from the Borderline is an independent podcast exploring depth psychology and mysticism. My Patreon archive contains hundreds of exclusive episodes, including extensive investigations of the subjects explored with Anne. Browse the Collections tab to explore the archive and support future conversations. Check it all out at https://www.patreon.com/c/backfromtheborderline.


    WANT SOMEWHERE TO TAKE WHAT THIS EPISODE BROUGHT UP FOR YOU? Try MOODS → MOODS is my reflective intelligence platform for dream work, tarot, symbolic reflection, and deeper inner inquiry. Bring it a dream, a question, something happening in your life, or an idea from the podcast you want to spend more time with. You can start free for 7 days at go.moods.world/podcast.

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    Mon, 09 Nov 2026 - 1h 56min
  • 428 - The More You Know About Yourself, the Less You Understand

    Are we thinking ourselves into a new dark age?


    We’ve spent the better part of seventy years trying to understand ourselves through psychology. We know about attachment styles, childhood trauma, unconscious motivations, and all the reasons we supposedly behave the way we do. We’ve diagnosed our exes, analyzed our childhoods, and built an entire industry around the promise that knowing ourselves better will help us live better lives. And yet, despite everything we’ve learned, we seem increasingly unsure about what makes life meaningful in the first place.


    In 1957, an American psychologist called Ira Progoff wrote an introduction to a medieval Christian mystical text called The Cloud of Unknowing. He was troubled by how readily modern psychology dismissed centuries of knowledge about the human mind simply because that knowledge came from religious traditions. Reading his observations nearly seventy years later, I was struck by how little some of our underlying assumptions have changed, even as psychology has gained so much influence over the way we understand ourselves.


    His writing got me thinking about the history of psychology, the decline of Christianity’s influence in the West, and something I’ve been describing as spiritual homelessness. We’ve gained considerable freedom to decide what we believe and how we want to live. But we’ve also inherited the responsibility of figuring out what any of it is for. Psychology has offered us ways to understand our suffering, while the bigger questions about meaning and how we ought to live remain unsettled.

    Meanwhile, self-understanding has grown into a very profitable business. There’s now a psychological explanation available for almost every uncomfortable feeling or disappointing relationship, usually followed by a book, a course, or another video promising to help us understand ourselves a little better. And the more time we spend searching for answers, the more money there is to be made from keeping us searching.


    This episode explores why we’re so uncomfortable with uncertainty, how psychology came to occupy such a central place in Western life, and whether our endless search for explanations is making us any wiser.


    There’s a certain irony in all of this. We tend to look back at the Middle Ages as a time when people understood very little about the world. Yet medieval Christian mystics were already asking questions about the limits of human knowledge that our own culture seems increasingly reluctant to face.


    We know a great deal about how the human mind works. We seem far less certain about what makes a life worth living. I wonder whether the next great intellectual revolution might involve revisiting some of the things we were so confident we’d outgrown.


    STUDY COMPANION | RECOMMENDED READING


      The Cloud of Unknowing — Anonymous, translated by Ira Progoff (1957)New Seeds of Contemplation — Thomas Merton (1962)Open Mind, Open Heart — Thomas Keating (1986)Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind — Shunryu Suzuki (1970)The Book of Not Knowing — Peter Ralston (2010)The Interior Castle — Teresa of Ávila (1577)


    ☽


    EXPLORE MORE ON PATREON:Back from the Borderline is an independent podcast exploring depth psychology and mysticism. My Patreon archive contains hundreds of exclusive episodes, including extensive investigations of the subjects explored with Anne. Browse the Collections tab to explore the archive and support future conversations. Check it all out at https://www.patreon.com/c/backfromtheborderline.


    WANT SOMEWHERE TO TAKE WHAT THIS EPISODE BROUGHT UP FOR YOU? Try MOODS → MOODS is my reflective intelligence platform for dream work, tarot, symbolic reflection, and deeper inner inquiry. Bring it a dream, a question, something happening in your life, or an idea from the podcast you want to spend more time with. You can start free for 7 days at go.moods.world/podcast.

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    Tue, 03 Nov 2026 - 1h 28min
  • 427 - You’ve Studied the Mysteries. But Have They Changed You? (Anne Baring, Part 9: Epilogue)

    We’ve learned so much about healing, but have we learned how to love?


    After eight conversations with 95-year-old Jungian analyst and author Anne Baring, I found myself questioning some of the beliefs I’d spent years defending, including my own understanding of spiritual development.


    In this deeply personal epilogue, I’m reflecting on our generation’s hunger for spiritual wisdom, the temptation to romanticize forgotten traditions, and a culture increasingly fascinated with extraordinary experiences while struggling with the much quieter work of personal transformation. We’ll explore the spiritual ego, the sacred marriage, and why understanding ourselves so thoroughly can sometimes prevent us from being changed.


    These conversations with Anne have affected me in ways I never anticipated. Some of the most meaningful lessons came from experiences we never recorded.

    This episode stands on its own, but I recommend listening to the full series for a deeper understanding of the ideas explored here.


    LISTEN TO THE COMPLETE ANNE BARING SERIES


    This is the ninth and final installment of my series with Anne Baring. Across eight conversations, we explore the history of the feminine divine, Sophia, Mary Magdalene, Christian mysticism, and the sacred marriage.


    If you’re new to the series, I recommend starting with Part 1: The Forgotten Feminine Face of God.


    EXPLORE ANNE BARING’S WORK


    This series draws primarily on Anne’s book, Divine Wisdom and the Holy Spirit: The Forgotten Feminine Face of God.

    Listen to Anne’s complete audiobook for free on YouTube, narrated by Anne herself.


    Explore Anne’s books and research on her official website.


    FURTHER READING


    For listeners who’d like to investigate some of the ideas discussed in this epilogue:


    Valentin Tomberg, Meditations on the Tarot: A Journey into Christian HermeticismPierre Hadot, Philosophy as a Way of LifeRichard Rohr and Andreas Ebert, The Enneagram: A Christian PerspectiveThérèse of Lisieux, Story of a SoulJessie L. Weston, From Ritual to Romance


    ☽


    EXPLORE MORE ON PATREON:Back from the Borderline is an independent podcast exploring depth psychology and mysticism. My Patreon archive contains hundreds of exclusive episodes, including extensive investigations of the subjects explored with Anne. Browse the Collections tab to explore the archive and support future conversations. Check it all out at https://www.patreon.com/c/backfromtheborderline.


    WANT SOMEWHERE TO TAKE WHAT THIS EPISODE BROUGHT UP FOR YOU? Try MOODS → MOODS is my reflective intelligence platform for dream work, tarot, symbolic reflection, and deeper inner inquiry. Bring it a dream, a question, something happening in your life, or an idea from the podcast you want to spend more time with. You can start free for 7 days at go.moods.world/podcast.

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    Tue, 27 Oct 2026 - 1h 54min
  • 426 - The Way of the Rose: Healing the Heart & the Sacred Marriage (Anne Baring, Part 8)

    For seven conversations, Anne Baring and I have been investigating the forgotten feminine face of God. We’ve explored Sophia, Mary Magdalene, the Grail, and the religious traditions that preserved aspects of the sacred feminine. Now, in our eighth and final conversation, we’re asking what all of that knowledge is supposed to do to us.


    We start at Chartres Cathedral in France, where a medieval labyrinth invites pilgrims to walk toward its center before returning to the world. From there, Anne and I explore the neglected wisdom of the heart, the relationship between childhood wounds and religious ideas about guilt, and the sacred marriage, or hieros gamos, as a way of understanding the divisions within ourselves.


    After months of investigating religious history, we find ourselves confronting a much more personal question. How do we allow these teachings to change the way we live?


    This is Part 8 of an eight-part series. New listeners are encouraged to start with Part 1. Next week, I’ll return with a personal epilogue reflecting on how my own thinking has changed throughout these conversations.


    EXPLORE ANNE BARING’S WORK:This series draws on Anne Baring’s book, Divine Wisdom and the Holy Spirit: The Forgotten Feminine Face of God. You can listen to the complete audiobook for free on YouTube, narrated by Anne herself, and explore her books and research on her official website at annebaring.com.


    MY TWELVE PART SERIES ON CHILDHOOD EMOTIONAL NEGLECT: Click here to start episode 1.


    BOOKS & FURTHER READING


    Anne Baring & Jules Cashford: The Myth of the Goddess: Evolution of an ImageBanafsheh Sayyad: Dance of Oneness: Embody Love and Luminosity to Transform Your LifePeter Kingsley: In the Dark Places of WisdomNeale Donald Walsch: Conversations with God (audiobook edition discussed in the episode)Charles Spencer: A Very Private School


    PLACES & PRACTICES


    Chartres Cathedral: Medieval labyrinth and rose windowsHeartMath Institute: Heart-focused contemplative practicesSufi whirling: Sacred dance tradition discussed by Anne


    ORGANIZATIONS MENTIONED:Ubiquity University | Humanity’s Team | The Shift Network


    EXPLORE MORE ON PATREON:Back from the Borderline is an independent podcast exploring depth psychology and mysticism. My Patreon archive contains hundreds of exclusive episodes, including extensive investigations of the subjects explored with Anne. Browse the Collections tab to explore the archive and support future conversations. Check it all out at https://www.patreon.com/c/backfromtheborderline.


    WANT SOMEWHERE TO TAKE WHAT THIS EPISODE BROUGHT UP FOR YOU? Try MOODS → MOODS is my reflective intelligence platform for dream work, tarot, symbolic reflection, and deeper inner inquiry. Bring it a dream, a question, something happening in your life, or an idea from the podcast you want to spend more time with. You can start free for 7 days at moods.world.

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    Tue, 20 Oct 2026 - 1h 04min
  • 425 - The Cathars, the Inquisition and the Women Who Defied Rome (Anne Baring Part 7)

    In medieval southern France, a woman stood up during a religious debate and challenged the men who claimed the authority to speak for God. A Catholic cleric told her to return to her spinning, because theology was no business of hers. Her identity was Esclarmonde de Foix, and she belonged to a Christian religious culture in which women could teach, exercise spiritual authority and administer sacred rites.


    This is Part 7 of my series with Anne Baring, a writer and Jungian analyst who has spent decades studying Christian mysticism and the forgotten feminine dimension of divinity. If you’re new to the series, I recommend starting with Part 1, The Forgotten Feminine Face of God.


    ☽


    In the last episode, Anne and I explored the Black Madonna, the Grail and the possibility that teachings associated with Miriam Magdalene survived in medieval France. Now we enter the Languedoc and the world of the Cathars, a Christian religious movement whose beliefs brought them into direct conflict with Rome.

    Through Esclarmonde’s life, Anne introduces us to a society where women could participate in theological debate and religious leadership, and where Christianity was understood in ways that would eventually be condemned as heresy.


    The Catholic Church launched a crusade against these communities in 1209. What followed remains one of the most devastating episodes in medieval European religious history. Anne believes the Cathars may have preserved teachings associated with early Gnostic Christianity and Mary Magdalene.


    After our conversation, I return with some personal reflections, including the extraordinary experiences that first led me toward Esclarmonde years before these interviews. I also discuss recent reading that has challenged some of my own assumptions about Catharism and made me reconsider how easily we can romanticize the religious past.


    ☿


    EXPLORE ANNE BARING’S WORK


    This series draws on Anne Baring’s book, Divine Wisdom and the Holy Spirit: The Forgotten Feminine Face of God. You can listen to the complete audiobook for free on YouTube, narrated by Anne herself, and explore her books and research on her official website at annebaring.com.


    STUDY COMPANION


    ✦ John and Caitlín Matthews, Walkers Between the Worlds

    ✦ Arthur Guirdham, research on Cathar reincarnation and past-life memory

    ✦ Jehanne de Quillan, The Gospel of the Beloved Companion

    ✦ Gilles Quispel, research on Gnosticism and the Apocryphon of John

    ✦ Margaret Barker, research on First Temple theology and Divine Wisdom

    ✦ Elaine Pagels, Beyond Belief

    ✦ Peter Kingsley, In the Dark Places of Wisdom


    EARLY CHRISTIAN AND CATHAR TEXTS


    ☿ The Apocryphon of John

    ☿ Liber de duobus principiis (The Book of Two Principles)

    ☿ The consolamentum, the Cathar rite of spiritual baptism


    RELATED LISTENING


    ✦ This Episode Isn’t About UFOs, It’s About You (Part 1)

    ✦ This Episode Isn’t About UFOs, It’s About You (Part 2)


    The first two episodes document the synchronicities and experiences that eventually led me toward Esclarmonde and Anne’s research. Buckle in, it’s a wildride.


    SOURCE NOTE: This conversation moves between documented history, medieval legend and esoteric interpretation. Some of Anne’s proposed connections remain speculative. I’ve included these resources so you can investigate the evidence and reach your own conclusions.


    ☽


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    WANT SOMEWHERE TO TAKE WHAT THIS EPISODE BROUGHT UP FOR YOU? Try MOODS →https://www.moods.world/


    MOODS is my reflective intelligence platform for dream work, tarot, symbolic reflection, and deeper inner inquiry. Bring it a dream, a question, something happening in your life, or an idea from the podcast you want to spend more time with. You can start free for 7 days at moods.world.

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    Tue, 13 Oct 2026 - 1h 45min
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