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In this special Need to Know episode, producer Tyler Stevens returns from Contact in the Desert 2026 with a firsthand look at the biggest UFO conference in the world. Tyler and Bryce Zabel explore the atmosphere of the event, the excitement surrounding the recent UFO file releases, the reaction to Disclosure Day, and the conversations happening among researchers, experiencers, content creators, and attendees from across the globe. The discussion also highlights major panels featuring Jacques Vallée, Eric Davis, Tim Gallaudet, Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, and many of the leading voices currently shaping the UFO conversation.

The episode also dives into some of the stranger and more fascinating aspects of the conference. Tyler shares his experience attending a Chris Bledsoe Skywatch, discusses the growing connection between UFOs and consciousness research, and breaks down a remarkable demonstration involving a blind participant attempting to perceive information without sight. From remote viewing and psi phenomena to disclosure, science, and the future of UFO research, this episode offers a unique boots-on-the-ground perspective from one of the most talked-about events in the field.

In this episode of Need to Know, Bryce Zabel and Richard Dolan tackle one of the most important questions in the UFO conversation: what do we actually mean when we say "disclosure"? With Steven Spielberg's upcoming film Disclosure Day reigniting public interest in the topic, Bryce and Rich explore the difference between government transparency, whistleblower revelations, leaked documents, and the true "big D" Disclosure: the official acknowledgment that humanity is interacting with a non-human intelligence. They revisit the ideas behind their book A.D. After Disclosure and examine how the world has changed since it was first written, from congressional hearings and Pentagon videos to AI, social media, and the modern information landscape.

The discussion dives deep into the concept of a breakaway civilization, the role of private aerospace and intelligence contractors, the limits of government authority, and whether disclosure would unite humanity or further divide an already fractured society. Bryce and Rich debate the significance of recent UFO file releases, the influence of figures like Steven Spielberg on the public narrative, and whether an official disclosure event is even possible in today's world. Along the way, they ask the big questions: Who really controls the UFO story? What happens when the truth becomes undeniable? And will either of them live to see a moment that fundamentally changes humanity's understanding of its place in the universe?

Neil deGrasse Tyson seems to be pivoting on UFOs. After years of mocking the subject, he's now saying that military witnesses, whistleblowers, and congressional testimony have elevated the conversation. But as Bryce Zabel points out, Tyson still can't resist stereotyping earlier witnesses as hayseeds and drunks — even though credible observers have been part of this story from the very beginning. In this sharp commentary, Bryce takes Tyson to task for treating ridicule like a scientific method. He explains why the issue was never just about "the back 40," why earlier witnesses deserve more respect, and why Tyson's current turn feels less like a revelation than a rebrand. Bryce also reflects on his past public challenge to Tyson, and on his very different parking lot debate years ago with Carl Sagan.

This is not a call for belief. It's a call for honesty, humility, and a little overdue accountability.

The Trump administration's first major UFO/UAP document release has triggered a worldwide media firestorm — with newly declassified files, Apollo-era astronaut reports, military encounters, intelligence documents, and unexplained aerial incidents dominating headlines across cable news, newspapers, podcasts, and social media. The release, presented as the beginning of an ongoing "slow drip" disclosure process, includes references to astronaut sightings during the Apollo missions, unresolved military cases, and decades of government investigation into anomalous phenomena.

For many observers, the question is no longer whether something unexplained is happening — but how much the government actually knows, and how long it has known it. In this special stand-alone episode, Bryce Zabel responds personally and passionately to the release through the lens of a lifetime spent chasing the mystery — from co-creating NBC's Dark Skies and being approached by men claiming to be from the Office of Naval Intelligence, to writing A.D. After Disclosure with Richard Dolan and working alongside Ross Coulthart during the modern disclosure era. Bryce connects the newly released Apollo material to conversations he had nearly thirty years ago about the Moon and secrecy, reflects on why gradual disclosure may once have made sense, and ultimately asks the question he believes millions of people are now asking: if the government truly possesses definitive evidence — the photos, the videos, the craft — then why are we still being shown blurry dots in the sky? His conclusion is simple, as you'll see when you hear it.

In this special Need to Know episode, Bryce Zabel, Richard Dolan, and producer Tyler Stevens react in real time to the Trump administration's first major UFO/UAP file release. The discussion covers the massive batch of documents, military ISR videos, NASA transcripts, Cold War intelligence reports, and historical FBI material that suddenly pushed the UFO topic back into mainstream headlines. While much of the material had already circulated through FOIA requests and archives like The Black Vault, the hosts argue that the significance lies in the government officially centralizing and publicly presenting the information in one place. They debate whether the release represents genuine progress toward disclosure or simply another controlled "slow drip" operation designed to manage public perception rather than resolve the mystery.

The episode also explores the growing tension between public expectations and institutional transparency. Dolan emphasizes that true disclosure would require undeniable evidence such as recovered craft or clear multisensor footage, while Tyler Stevens highlights frustration within the UFO community over selective releases, media coordination, and the continued gatekeeping of potentially stronger evidence. The conversation dives into UFO history, Apollo astronaut encounters, unexplained military footage, Spielberg's upcoming film Disclosure Day, and the cultural shift happening around the topic. Together, the hosts frame the current moment as part of a larger battle between secrecy and public demand, arguing that while the file release may not be "disclosure," it does show the UFO subject entering a new phase of visibility, political pressure, and mainstream relevance.

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In this episode of Need to Know, Bryce Zabel and Richard Dolan talk about Project Hail Mary, the disappearance of General McCasland, Brent Friedman's story about former Secretary of Energy John Herrington, Roswell in the movies, and even a fond memory of Stanton Friedman. The deep dive explore hows current global instability, particularly rising geopolitical tensions and conflict, impacts the likelihood of UFO disclosure. Dolan takes a more skeptical stance, arguing that during periods of crisis, governments are far less likely to introduce destabilizing revelations unrelated to immediate priorities. He emphasizes that disclosure requires not just evidence, but public attention, institutional coordination, and a stable environment capable of processing the information, all of which he sees as lacking right now.

The conversation also reflects on the long arc of UFO research, touching on historical figures, investigations like Roswell, and the persistent frustration of chasing a truth that often feels just out of reach. Despite skepticism, both acknowledge that progress has been made, even if it's uneven and slow. The episode blends present-day analysis with historical context, reinforcing the idea that the UFO topic is not a single breakthrough moment, but an ongoing, complex process shaped by politics, secrecy, and human perception.

Bryce Zabel and Brent Friedman dive deeper into two core stories that have sparked major interest: the mysterious "party crasher" at the Dark Skies premiere and Brent Friedman's earlier encounter with Reagan-era official John Herrington. The hosts revisit the night an alleged intelligence insider approached them, suggesting their show could be used as part of a controlled disclosure effort. That moment takes on new weight as Brent connects it to a formative experience from his youth, where Herrington privately told him that aliens were real, that he had seen them, and that the knowledge was so overwhelming it brought him to tears for months.  Throughout the episode, they explore the tension between disclosure and disinformation, questioning whether figures like Herrington or the mysterious JC were sharing truth or participating in a larger manipulation. They also reflect on the psychological impact of such revelations, the possibility of hidden knowledge far beyond UFOs, and the blurred line between Hollywood storytelling and real-world secrecy. The episode sets up future reveals, including the long-teased "formula," while reinforcing a central theme: the truth may be out there, but understanding who to trust is the real challenge

In this Need to Know episode, Bryce Zabel and Richard Dolan take a deep, methodical look at the reality of UFO crash retrievals, treating the subject not as speculation but as a serious historical and structural question. Dolan draws on decades of research, particularly the work of Leonard Stringfield and other major investigators, to explain why crashes are not incompatible with advanced non-human technology. They explore early cases such as Roswell, Magenta (1933 Italy), Trinity (1945), Aztec (1948), and later incidents, arguing that a pattern of recoveries has existed far longer than most people realize. The discussion reframes the common objection that advanced craft "shouldn't crash," emphasizing traffic volume, imperfect systems, and the possibility of smaller deployed vehicles rather than interstellar motherships

The conversation then shifts to how such a secret could persist for decades, with Dolan outlining a legal and institutional framework rooted in post–World War II atomic secrecy laws. He explains how crash materials could be automatically classified, funneled into compartmentalized systems, and increasingly migrated to private contractors like Battelle, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop, limiting congressional oversight and public access. They also examine the controversial Majestic-12 recovery manual, debating whether it represents authentic documentation or sophisticated disinformation. The episode closes with reflections on the global nature of retrievals, the power struggles now emerging in Congress, and the emotional impact of the news surrounding Nick Pope's health, underscoring both the human and historical weight of the subject and why crash retrievals remain one of the most consequential unresolved issues in the UFO field

In this special Need to Know episode, Bryce Zabel is joined by longtime collaborator Brent Friedman for a deep dive into the newly released trailer for Disclosure Day, Steven Spielberg's upcoming UFO themed film set for release in 2026. The conversation frames the trailer as a cultural moment, noting its massive early viewership and the broader rise in public interest following recent projects like Age of Disclosure. Zabel and Friedman position the trailer as more than marketing, treating it as a dense piece of visual storytelling packed with symbolism, spiritual themes, and long standing UFO lore.

The bulk of the episode is a shot by shot analysis of the trailer, exploring imagery such as animals appearing as messengers, religious symbolism, possession themes, shapeshifting, crop circles, elite control centers, and a worldwide disclosure event that bypasses governments entirely. The hosts speculate that the film suggests disclosure may come directly from non human intelligence rather than political institutions, reflecting growing public distrust in official narratives. They discuss how Spielberg appears to blend fear, wonder, and spirituality, presenting disclosure not as an invasion story but as an ontological reckoning that forces humanity to confront meaning, belief, and truth.

The episode also features a major announcement: Zabel and Friedman are launching a new 36 episode podcast titled Sound, Light, and Frequency, produced with iHeart Podcasts. The series will explore UFO history, Hollywood's role in shaping the phenomenon, and their own extraordinary experiences surrounding the creation of Dark Skies, including an alleged government approach related to soft disclosure. The show is positioned as a long form, reflective exploration of secrecy, storytelling, and consciousness. The episode closes with framing Disclosure Day as a cinematic rehearsal for real world disclosure and a hopeful signal that humanity may be ready for a deeper understanding of its place in the universe.

In this episode of Need to Know, Richard Dolan and Bryce Zabel break down the newly released documentary Age of Disclosure. They frame it as one of the strongest insider-driven treatments yet, highlighting its focus on government officials, intelligence veterans, scientists, and military figures who openly discuss crash retrievals, non-human intelligences, legacy programs, and decades of secrecy. Both hosts note that the documentary lands at a moment where cultural, political, and media attitudes toward UFOs have shifted dramatically. Mainstream outlets like CNN and Fox now discuss the subject without ridicule, and high-level voices like Marco Rubio, Hal Puthoff, Eric Davis, and Lue Elizondo speak more freely than ever before. The film, they argue, captures this moment of accelerating transparency.

Dolan and Zabel explore several major themes raised in the documentary: the long-running battle between "legacy" crash-retrieval programs and a reformer faction trying to force disclosure; the rarity of hard evidence due to intense classification; the gravity of claims like Roswell recoveries, bodies, and craft with space-time distortions; and the emerging recognition that USOs and oceanic activity may be central to the phenomenon. They emphasize that many of the figures featured—especially Puthoff, Davis, Mellon, Stratton, and Elizondo—are credible, deeply embedded insiders who have carefully chosen how far they can speak without violating classification. The documentary's high production value and careful presentation also set it apart from most UFO media, making it a potential reference point for newcomers and longtime followers alike.

The hosts conclude that Age of Disclosure is not "Disclosure" itself, but rather a significant milestone marking a cultural shift. They see the film as a snapshot of a world entering an era where secrecy is harder to maintain and insider testimony is becoming unavoidable. The documentary, they argue, is more of a conversation catalyst than an end point—an artifact of a system cracking under its own weight, where insiders feel increasingly liberated to speak and the public grows more prepared to hear it. Whether or not it triggers political action, they believe it will be remembered as part of the slow but undeniable march toward greater transparency around the UAP issue.

In this episode, Bryce Zabel and Chrissy Newton dive into Mirage Men, a provocative and unsettling exploration of how UFO mythology has been manipulated and, at times, manufactured by intelligence agencies. The discussion centers on the book's central thesis — that much of what we think we know about UFOs may have been deliberately seeded by government operatives to cover up classified projects or sow disinformation. Names like Richard Doty and Paul Bennewitz are examined as case studies in psychological operations, raising questions about just how much of the UFO lore is organic versus orchestrated.

Weaponized Myth or Truth in Disguise?

The episode unpacks the troubling implications for researchers and experiencers alike. The book suggests that belief in non-human intelligence may have been stoked as part of long-running counterintelligence campaigns, leaving a trail of confusion and paranoia in their wake. The conversation also explores how this manipulation might have impacted the broader UFO community — creating divisions, muddying waters, and casting long shadows over genuine phenomena. The hosts balance skepticism with open-mindedness, probing whether Mirage Men reveals deception, deeper truths, or perhaps both.

The Relevance for Today's Disclosure Landscape

The episode closes by drawing sharp parallels between the events in Mirage Men and today's disclosure efforts. With recent whistleblower testimony and government acknowledgments, listeners are asked to consider: are we witnessing a long-delayed truth, or just the latest evolution of the same game of informational misdirection? The book, and this conversation, ultimately leave listeners with a haunting but essential question — who benefits from what we believe, and why? This episode is a must-listen for anyone trying to untangle the web of fact, fiction, and psychological warfare at the heart of the UFO narrative.

In this Need to Know episode, Bryce Zabel and Richard Dolan dive deep—literally—into the realm of USOs (Unidentified Submerged Objects), as Dolan previews his upcoming second volume in a three-part book series on the subject. Focusing on the 1970s and 80s, Dolan reveals that the 1970s were an explosive decade for both UFO and USO sightings, despite limited public reporting mechanisms. He details hundreds of carefully collated incidents, particularly noting a sharp rise in military encounters, electromagnetic interference, and a sudden statistical shift in sightings occurring under the cover of darkness, especially post-1969. Dolan interprets this as a possible tactic of "data denial," suggesting that these craft operators deliberately avoid surveillance from increasingly sophisticated human technologies.

The conversation takes a speculative turn as Zabel and Dolan ponder the intentions and origins of these underwater visitors. Dolan leans toward the view that these are non-human intelligences from elsewhere who have established semi-permanent bases on or within Earth's oceans. Their behavior—ranging from skimming the ocean floor near industrial sites to disabling military vessels—appears calculated, as if they are measuring humanity's technological development while simultaneously avoiding exposure. Bryce highlights a pattern of intelligent "observation and calibration," pointing out that these entities may not just be watching us, but testing how we respond to their capabilities. Dolan adds that the vastness and biodiversity of Earth's oceans, paired with their strategic concealment, makes them a logical habitat for long-term surveillance by advanced intelligences.

Wrapping up, the duo wrestle with the bigger philosophical question: What do they want? Dolan theorizes that humanity's rapid technological ascent and volatile tendencies may have caught the attention of more advanced species who now feel the need to monitor our impact. Whether these entities are benevolent scientists or military observers remains unknown, but their restraint in open confrontation—despite capabilities that far exceed ours—offers a glimmer of hope. The episode closes with a tease of future explorations into these themes and Dolan's commitment to releasing his book before the holiday season, making it the perfect stocking stuffer for any submarine-skulking UFO enthusiast.

In this episode of Project Book Club, Bryce Zabel and Chrissy Newton dive headfirst into Above Black, a gripping memoir by Dan Sherman that claims to reveal a classified U.S. government program involving alien communication. The conversation explores Sherman's military background, his alleged psychic training, and the controversial Project Preserve Destiny (PPD).

The hosts dissect Sherman's assertions with curiosity and caution, pondering how much might be metaphor, misdirection, or an overlooked piece of a larger puzzle. Throughout the episode, Bryce and Chrissy reflect on the thematic layers within the book—namely, the relationship between military intelligence and psychic phenomena. They examine the plausibility of government-run telepathic programs, especially within the broader historical context of MK-Ultra, Stargate, and recent claims by whistleblowers like David Grusch. With a nod to current headlines and Disclosure-era momentum, the hosts weigh whether Sherman's story could be an early breadcrumb trail or part of a clever disinformation campaign.

A key tension arises between the need for discernment and the appeal of compelling narratives. The hosts don't shy away from questioning Above Black's reliability, but they also acknowledge its unique place in the UFO literary canon. As Bryce says, sometimes the stories that seem the strangest can end up being strangely prophetic. The episode ends with reflections on the value of exploring even the more fringe accounts—especially when Disclosure itself is becoming increasingly mainstream.

In this episode of Need to Know, Bryce Zabel and Richard Dolan take the pulse of a UFO world that feels ready to blow wide open. The pace of developments is accelerating, and so are the contradictions. As official channels downplay, deny, or deflect, Bryce and Richard reveal a far more complex — and unsettling — reality playing out just beneath the surface.

They dive into six critical topics they feel the audience needs to know right now, touching on everything from historic cases to shifting power dynamics behind the scenes. It's a rapid-fire, insight-packed conversation that pulls no punches — examining the hidden forces at work, the evolving role of the media, and the psychological toll of prolonged secrecy. This episode isn't just an update.

It's a wake-up call. From cultural transformation to political reckoning, Bryce and Richard deliver the kind of fearless, forward-looking analysis that makes Need to Know essential listening for anyone following the UAP story as it breaks into the mainstream.

In this episode of Project Book Club, Bryce Zabel and Chrissy Newton dive into Sekret Machines: Gods, Man & War by Tom DeLonge and Peter Levenda. The discussion unpacks how the book blends history, mythology, and modern-day accounts to explore humanity's long and complex relationship with non-human intelligence. Rather than presenting UFOs as a purely contemporary mystery, DeLonge and Levenda frame the phenomenon as deeply rooted in our collective past, stretching from ancient civilizations to present-day encounters. Bryce and Chrissy consider how the book challenges conventional thinking by drawing parallels between mythology and modern sightings, suggesting that what we've long described as gods, angels, or demons may share common ground with today's UAP reports. They reflect on the balance between hard evidence, cultural interpretation, and the ways secrecy has shaped public understanding of these mysteries. The episode invites listeners to consider how narratives of contact—both ancient and modern—may hold clues about who "they" are and why they continue to appear in human history. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the book's value as both a thought experiment and a serious attempt to reframe the UAP phenomenon. Bryce and Chrissy leave listeners with big questions about how history, spirituality, and disclosure intersect, setting the stage for future conversations that will continue to explore these intersections with open curiosity and rigorous discussion.

In this episode, Need to Know enters a new chapter, bringing listeners an in-depth conversation on the evolving landscape of UFO and UAP discourse. The hosts take a measured look at recent developments in both politics and the media, analyzing how official statements are shaping — and sometimes distorting — public perception of the phenomenon. They discuss the latest claims surfacing in the community, evaluating their credibility while exploring how these narratives fit into the broader disclosure timeline.

The discussion moves beyond U.S. borders, examining how international players are positioning themselves in the conversation around non-human intelligence. From geopolitical considerations to shifting alliances, the team unpacks how global events may accelerate or stall progress toward transparency. They also address the impact of public opinion, the role of independent media, and the importance of credible investigative work in separating fact from speculation.

Throughout the episode, listeners get both a big-picture perspective and thoughtful insights into the fine details that matter. The hosts bring their combined experience and curiosity to the table, offering a balanced approach that blends skepticism with open-minded inquiry. With fresh energy, sharp analysis, and a clear focus on what's next, this marks the beginning of an exciting new era for the show.

In this episode of Project Book Club, Bryce Zabel and Chrissy Newton explore Encounters, the follow-up to Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka's American Cosmic. The conversation centers on the evolving relationship between technology, belief, and non-human intelligence, with Bryce and Chrissy examining the book's central thesis: that the phenomenon is not just material, but deeply metaphysical—and that contact may already be happening, just not in ways we fully understand.

They discuss the unique cast of characters Pasulka highlights, including scientists, technologists, and experiencers who remain anonymous yet share stunning claims. From mysterious artifacts to altered states of consciousness, the episode dives into how Encounters blends religious studies, high strangeness, and modern science in a way that challenges traditional disclosure narratives. Bryce and Chrissy weigh in on Pasulka's writing style, noting the poetic, sometimes abstract tone that leaves room for interpretation and wonder.

They also share their personal takeaways—what resonated, what raised eyebrows, and how this book fits into the larger puzzle of UAP research. Along the way, they reflect on themes of secrecy, belief, and the possibility that humanity is already in dialogue with something beyond itself. As always, the conversation is rich with insight, curiosity, and just the right amount of caffeine. This episode invites listeners not only to read the book but to question how we define evidence, contact, and reality itself.

In this special Need to Know SCIF debut episode, award-winning journalist and series co-creator Bryce Zabel hosts a powerful roundtable with three leading voices in the UAP community: Jason Guillemette (UAP Studies Podcast), Ryan Robbins (Post Disclosure World), and Need to Know producer Tyler Stevens. Together, they unpack the explosive claims made by Ross Coulthart in the most recent episode of Need to Know — particularly the suggestion that the now-infamous Tic Tac UFO witnessed by Navy pilots off the coast of San Diego may not be extraterrestrial at all, but instead a product of secretive human engineering, possibly tied to Lockheed Martin.

The conversation revisits the background of the 2004 USS Nimitz encounter, where highly trained U.S. military personnel observed a Tic Tac-shaped object performing maneuvers that defied known physics. The panel discusses the implications of these objects being operated with electrogravitic propulsion systems — a form of advanced, possibly suppressed technology — and how such capabilities could be hidden under the guise of "drone impunity," allowing classified programs to operate in plain sight.

The discussion explores the deeper tension between the public's demand for disclosure and the government's history of obfuscation, raising questions about who truly controls this technology and whether the narrative is being manipulated. With each guest bringing a unique perspective — from podcast journalism to deep research and production — this episode offers one of the most direct, critical conversations yet on the true nature of the Tic Tac and the battle over UAP transparency.

In this powerful episode of Need to Know, Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel regroup following their in-person appearance at Contact in the Desert, where they spoke to a packed audience and connected with key voices in the UFO/UAP field. The conversation kicks off with a major revelation from Ross about the 2004 Tic Tac incident—one of the most pivotal cases in modern UFO history. Ross lays out new details suggesting that the full extent of the encounter has not been disclosed to the public. Drawing on high-level sources and investigative leads, he presents a serious claim that the event was not just a singular anomaly but part of a broader pattern involving international military activity and the concealment of advanced technologies potentially linked to China.

The episode dives deep into the challenges of breaking significant stories in today's media landscape, the resistance faced by whistleblowers, and the careful verification process that underpins responsible journalism. With 60 Minutes preparing to revisit the UAP topic, Bryce and Ross discuss the shifting tone in mainstream media and how the public is becoming more engaged, but also more skeptical. This episode stands out not only for its compelling content but for the credibility of its hosts, who bring a blend of journalistic rigor, historical insight, and first-hand experience to one of the most pressing issues of our time.

In this episode, Bryce Zabel and Chrissy Newton take a deep dive into Imminent, the highly anticipated memoir by Lue Elizondo. From his unusual upbringing and military background to his insider perspective on AATIP and UAP disclosure, the book covers a wide range of bold and fascinating topics. The hosts discuss Elizondo's revelations about crash retrievals, biologics, Roswell, and the secretive Interloper program, while also exploring his focus on consciousness, national security, and the challenges of pushing this conversation forward.

They reflect on the book's tone, structure, and impact, acknowledging both its strengths and the questions it raises. Bryce and Chrissy offer thoughtful commentary on the balance between personal storytelling and hard evidence, and why Imminent feels like a pivotal entry in the growing library of serious UAP literature.

Whether you're a longtime follower of Elizondo's journey or just getting started, this conversation brings both insight and appreciation to one of the most talked-about books in the field.

In this special live edition of Need to Know, recorded at Contact in the Desert, Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel sit down in front of a packed audience to reflect on their personal origin stories with the UFO/UAP mystery. From Ross's early investigative journalism to Bryce's work in Hollywood and exposure to firsthand testimony, both share the compelling "aha" moments that pulled them deeper into the phenomenon. The conversation dives into some of the most significant cases that continue to shape their perspectives, including historical sightings, government secrecy, and the whistleblowers who have risked everything to speak out. It's a revealing and thoughtful dialogue that offers fans a deeper understanding of what drives their work. The episode also opens up to the audience with a live Q&A session, where Ross and Bryce respond to insightful and sometimes provocative questions from attendees. Their answers shed light on the current state of disclosure, the role of journalism and entertainment in shaping public understanding, and how the broader community can contribute to pushing the conversation forward. With honest reflection, humor, and a sense of urgency, this episode captures the spirit of the conference and reminds us why staying curious and informed is more important than ever.

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Welcome to the first episode of Project Book Club, where hosts Bryce Zabel and Chrissy Newton launch a fresh kind of conversation around the books that shape the UFO and consciousness landscape. This isn't your typical late-night podcast. It's a morning-show-style book club made for readers who want to explore the unknown with a hot drink in hand and curiosity on full blast. In this episode, Bryce and Chrissy dive into The Believer by Ralph Blumenthal, the biography of Harvard psychiatrist Dr. John Mack. Mack rose to prominence for his Pulitzer Prize-winning work, but his legacy shifted dramatically when he began studying alien abduction phenomena. Bryce and Chrissy unpack the book's layered portrait of Mack, exploring his courage, contradictions, and the firestorm he faced from Harvard when he chose to publicly validate the experiences of abductees. The discussion touches on the emotional depth of Mack's journey, including his personal flaws, academic brilliance, and the spiritual and philosophical questions that guided his work. They examine how Mack challenged the limits of Western scientific thought, his interest in consciousness, and how his openness to Eastern philosophies influenced both his worldview and research methods. Bryce and Chrissy also reflect on some of the major events in Mack's life, like his involvement in the Ariel School incident in Zimbabwe, and his controversial interviews on national television. They take time to discuss his critics, his supporters, and the legacy he left behind when he died unexpectedly in 2004. Through thoughtful insights and a bit of morning humor, this episode sets the stage for what Project Book Club is all about: digging deep into powerful stories, asking big questions, and creating a community where readers can explore the unknown together. ProjectBookClub.net

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In this revealing episode, Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel tackle a wave of breaking developments in the UFO/UAP landscape. They begin with the extraordinary final testimony of Dr. Harold Malmgren, a former U.S. official who, shortly before his death, disclosed direct knowledge of downed non-human craft, recovered biologics, and the controversial existence of Majestic 12. The hosts analyze his statement's implications, exploring how nuclear technology may have been used to down UFOs and the possibility that world powers are actively racing to reverse-engineer this non-human technology.

They also break down the recent public appearance of Matthew Brown, the anonymous source behind the Immaculate Constellation document, featured on Weaponized. Ross and Bryce weigh the credibility of his claims, the alleged black triangle over a Russian vessel, and whether aerospace contractors and private corporations have become the modern-day vaults for UFO secrets.

With growing international interest in non-human intelligence, the episode also explores the broader landscape of secrecy, disclosure, and media manipulation. Ross provides fresh intel about ongoing investigations and how other nations are now taking steps toward greater transparency. They also reflect on the role of pop culture, censorship on Wikipedia, and how history is being actively written—or erased—before our eyes.

The episode ends with a light preview of their upcoming appearance at Contact in the Desert and a humorous yet insightful short video from Will, capturing how everyday conversations around UFOs are changing in living rooms across the country.

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In this wide-ranging episode of Need to Know, Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel explore some of the most urgent and complex developments in the UAP world, politics, and history. They begin with a take on the recent Signal security scandal in the U.S. government, comparing it to their own use of encrypted messaging. This segues into a deep dive on the continuing UAP drone saga over U.S. airspace. Ross goes so far as to say these objects are likely anomalous and potentially connected to non-human intelligence. They express frustration over official government explanations that no longer hold up and a media landscape that fails to ask the right questions.

The duo also covers the growing importance of independent projects like Skywatcher, which claims to have repeatedly summoned and filmed UAPs, including jellyfish-like aerial entities, with advanced equipment. They highlight the risk of foreign powers like Russia or China beating the U.S. to disclosure and discuss the lack of action from the new presidential administration despite previous promises. Other key topics include David Grusch joining Congress, the failure of government institutions to act transparently, and the newly released JFK documents, where Ross shares jaw-dropping claims about potential links between JFK and a secret UAP retrieval operation. They close by emphasizing the need for real evidence and discernment in the age of misinformation.

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In this episode of Need to Know, Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel discuss the latest developments in the UAP conversation, particularly the lack of action from the new U.S. administration despite previous campaign promises. They highlight the role of key figures like John Ratcliffe, the new CIA director, and Marco Rubio, the new Secretary of State, both of whom have previously acknowledged the reality of unexplained aerial phenomena. The conversation also delves into Elon Musk's recent claims that he would know about secret UAP programs if they existed—claims that Ross and Bryce find naive, given the compartmentalized nature of classified government projects.

The episode also explores the broader implications of disclosure, touching on government secrecy, potential geopolitical ramifications, and the upcoming documentary The Age of Disclosure, which promises to feature high-level insiders speaking out about UAPs. Additionally, the hosts discuss Richard Dolan's new book on USOs (Unidentified Submerged Objects) and the historical significance of cases like Kecksburg and the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. The ongoing mystery of military drone incursions and their potential ties to UAP phenomena is another major talking point, with Ross expressing frustration over media and government responses. They close by considering the possibility that foreign powers like Russia or China might take the lead on disclosure, potentially forcing the U.S. to respond.

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In this episode of Need to Know: Extra, Bryce Zabel dives deep into the enduring mystery of Roswell, emphasizing its significance in the broader UAP discussion. He explores recent congressional interest in crash wreckage, particularly Rep. Ana Paulina Luna's investigative efforts and Ross Coulthart's reporting on Jake Barber's claims regarding helicopter retrieval of crash materials. The discussion revisits the historical context of Roswell, highlighting how it became marginalized despite continued revelations from key figures like Lue Elizondo and David Grusch, who both reaffirm that it was, in fact, a crash event involving non-human biological samples.

Bryce is joined by Roswell researcher Don Schmitt, who provides an in-depth look at the case, recounting decades of investigation and first-hand witness testimonies. The conversation explores how the U.S. government has repeatedly changed its explanation for Roswell, from flying saucer claims to weather balloons, Project Mogul, and crash test dummies. They discuss the challenges of proving the case today, the missing Roswell files, and the extreme lengths taken to suppress witness accounts. Schmitt emphasizes the significance of deathbed confessions and ongoing efforts to uncover physical wreckage, believing that Roswell remains the key to unraveling the UFO mystery once and for all.

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Bryce Zabel and Ross Coulthart return to discuss major UAP developments, whistleblower revelations, and shifting government narratives. Bryce shares his recent wildfire evacuation experience, drawing parallels to the unpredictable nature of disclosure. Ross delves into whistleblower Jake Barber's claims and the risks involved in exposing classified UAP recovery programs, as well as Congress's growing involvement in the issue.

The conversation also touches on political figures like Tulsi Gabbard and Marco Rubio, media failures in holding the government accountable, and new documentaries such as Age of Disclosure. Ross explores the Pentagon's interest in psionic abilities and remote viewing, linking consciousness studies to UAP research.

Finally, they revisit the JFK assassination, arguing it was a CIA-led coup, and question whether full disclosure—on UAPs or historical conspiracies—will ever come. The episode highlights the growing momentum behind UAP transparency and the ongoing struggle to uncover hidden truths.

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This episode of Need to Know delves into recent global UFO sightings, including mysterious drone activity over sensitive military installations, and the lack of governmental clarity in addressing these phenomena. Ross Coulthart shares updates on anomalous aerial phenomena worldwide and recounts his recent trip to Egypt, where he explored ancient sites and discussed their potential connections to historical mysteries. Bryce Zabel reflects on his attendance at the Sol Foundation Symposium, emphasizing its focus on advancing UAP research through scientific collaboration and dialogue. The hosts also discuss key moments from 2024, such as the impact of Lue Elizondo's book Eminent, and speculate on what the coming year may hold for disclosure and public awareness. This episode weaves together recent events, ancient mysteries, and forward-looking insights into UAP research and societal implications.

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This episode of Need to Know dives deep into a series of captivating topics, including upcoming congressional hearings on UAPs and the cast of witnesses set to testify, such as Lou Elizondo, Rear Admiral Timothy Gallaudet, and former NASA official Michael Gold. Ross shares his perspective on the potential impact of these hearings and the possible revelations from key figures, touching on themes of government transparency, national security, and the shadowy history surrounding UAP secrecy. Bryce and Ross also discuss recent U.S. political events, including how the return of Donald Trump to office might influence UAP disclosure, considering his past comments and interactions on the subject.

The conversation broadens as Ross previews his upcoming journey to Egypt, where he'll explore connections between ancient civilizations and advanced technology with enthusiasts of Egyptian history and UAP phenomena. They also review two new UFO series currently streaming, including Investigation Alien on Netflix, where George Knapp's work provides a new lens on cases like the Phoenix Lights and Kolaris incidents. This episode offers a thought-provoking look at the intersection of UAPs, political intrigue, and ancient mysteries, leaving the audience with plenty to anticipate in the coming months.

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In this episode of Need to Know, Richard Dolan joins the conversation to explore the fascinating subject of Unidentified Submerged Objects (USOs) and their historical significance. The discussion covers various aspects of USOs, including the vast number of sightings and incidents reported over centuries, their relation to UAPs, and how these submerged objects demonstrate extraordinary capabilities, such as entering and leaving the water without causing a splash. Dolan shares some of the most compelling cases, including the infamous Shag Harbor incident, and offers insights into his upcoming three-volume book on the history of USOs. The episode also touches on other related topics, such as the role of the Navy versus the Air Force in UAP investigations and a broader perspective on potential disclosure. Additionally, Dolan discusses Lue Elizondo's new book Imminent and its connections to USOs, as well as his personal thoughts on the evolving UFO/UAP narrative. The episode ends with reflections on the future of disclosure and what it could mean for our understanding of these phenomena.

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In this episode of Need to Know, Lue Elizondo joins Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel to discuss major developments in the UAP space, particularly following the release of his new book, Imminent. Elizondo sheds light on the ongoing disclosure process, touching on the frustrations with government secrecy, the slow pace of mainstream media coverage, and the obstacles whistleblowers like himself and David Grush face. The conversation dives into the mysteries surrounding the Roswell incident, crash retrievals, and non-human intelligence (NHI), while also addressing broader societal impacts of full UAP disclosure. Elizondo further shares thoughts on historical moments like the JFK assassination, noting potential connections to hidden truths about UAPs and covert government agendas. Other topics discussed include abductions, national security concerns, and the significance of capturing more high-definition evidence to advance the conversation on UAPs.

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In this episode, the discussion centers on the escalating developments in the UAP field, highlighted by Lue Elizondo's upcoming book, Imminent. The hosts delve into Elizondo's experiences and revelations, emphasizing his role as a pivotal figure in the ongoing disclosure movement. They touch on the implications of his work and the potential impact of his new book, which promises to shed light on previously undisclosed information. The episode also covers broader topics such as the influence of UAPs on global politics, the role of the media in covering these phenomena, and the potential consequences of disclosure. The conversation underscores the tension between the slow pace of official disclosure and the growing public awareness fueled by figures like Elizondo.

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In this episode of "Need to Know," Bryce Zabel and Ross Coulthart delve into the history of UFO phenomena, marking significant anniversaries from 1944 to the present day. The hosts discuss notable sightings and events, emphasizing that UFO encounters are not recent phenomena but part of a long-standing historical pattern. They touch on key incidents like the 1944 Foo Fighters, the 1974 John Lennon sighting, and the 1994 Ariel School encounter, highlighting both the historical depth and global nature of UFO sightings. The episode also addresses current legislative efforts concerning UFO transparency and the potential implications of upcoming U.S. presidential politics on UFO disclosure. The overarching theme is the persistent, yet elusive quest for clarity and disclosure within the UFO community, underscored by a call for historical awareness and government transparency.

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In this episode, Ross Coulthart reports from an undisclosed location in the U.S., sharing insights from the SCU conference in Huntsville, which concentrated on scientific approaches to UAPs. He reflects on a recent interview with Colonel Karl Nell, discussing Nell's remarks about long-standing interactions between non-human intelligence (NHI) and humanity. Meanwhile, Bryce Zabel in Los Angeles connects the 80th anniversary of D-Day to contemporary secrecy around UAPs, emphasizing the impact of such secrecy on public trust and innovation. They explore the skepticism about governmental transparency on UAPs and consider how the political landscape might influence the push for disclosure, especially with the upcoming elections.

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In this episode, hosts Bryce Zabel and Ross Coulthart delve into the complexities of UAP investigations, spotlighting the AARO's dubious reporting and the Pentagon's evasion in acknowledging UAP incidents. They explore the recent Eglin Air Force Base encounter and the broader implications of drone sightings that challenge national security. The hosts critique the media's failure to engage deeply with these issues, emphasizing the need for greater transparency and investigative rigor in covering UAP and drone encounters. Featuring pilot testimonies and expert analysis, this episode uncovers the ongoing secrecy and the quest for truth in the increasingly convoluted field of ufology.

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It's an issue that's touched many in the UAP community, and worthy of a long discussion: fatigue from covering UAP, interacting with the community, fending off the flamers and trying to stay grounded. Bryce shares the tale of his ten-year hiatus while Ross commends Curt Jaimungal's recent decision to 'step away' for a while. But there's also hope, says Ross, citing three members of Congress and their attempts to interview an Air Force pilot over his 2023 sighting - and the video he captured.

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Ross and Bryce take turns teeing off on the Defense Department's report that was supposed to chronicle the US government's history of dealing with the UFO/UAP issue. Among their conclusions about the reports "conclusions:" It's more Pentagon obfuscation to deter public attention; a kneejerk polemic against former AARO head Sean Kirkpatrick's critics; not a hint of historical review; and from a couple of lawmakers who talked to Ross: Congress is NOT letting this issue go.

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"Voldemort," in this podcast, is Bryce's new name for Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the now-former head of AARO, the Defense Department's "All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office." Bryce and Ross rip Kirkpatrick's exit statements, including his assertion that a soon to be released Pentagon report will say it's found no evidence of aliens, only allegations circulated repeatedly by UFO claim advocates. The other big event in the episode: "Need to Know," the song! Bryce explains the history of the song he co-composed - and we play it!

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Bryce and Ross begin 2024 with a quick look back at the big events of last year: David Grusch's revelations and the gutting of the Schumer Amendment to the Defense bill. Then they look ahead to this year and an upcoming House Oversight Committee hearing, Lue Elizondo's book and Grusch's op-ed piece on the heels of the US government slightly loosening what he's able to reveal. And Ross drops a big hint about what could be a very big story: new data from the James Webb Space Telescope.

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Disappointment and some disagreements in this episode, as Ross and Bryce review the amended version of Sen. Chuck Schumer's disclosure language in the new Defense bill. Ross blames "lickspittle Congressmen" in the pockets of the aerospace companies for turning Schumer's disclosure proposals into a "flaccid limp lettuce leaf." The two set the table for a future discussion on what both believe would be a very bad idea: "catastrophic disclosure."

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Approaching the 60th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, Bryce and Ross examine the similarities between the efforts to conceal the truth about the President's death and concealing the truth about UFO/UAP. Also: as predicted in the last episode, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick is, indeed, leading AARO. So who will succeed him? And will that person bring a different opinion about whistleblower David Grusch?

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Ross and Bryce catch up on several developments of the past few weeks, including the latest report from AARO. Ross calls out what he labels "completely disingenuous" statements by the agency's head, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, downplaying the UAP reports the agency reviewed in the 2023 US Government fiscal year. Ross calls the report "The Big Yawn." Ross and Bryce disagree on whether private aerospace firms, who've spent millions of their own dollars on crash retrieval, should be forced to turn any physical evidence over to the government. And Bryce reviews the high points of 1948, a banner year that saw dozens of credible UFO/UAP sightings.

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Ross and Bryce are back with tough words for what they call the "word games" being played by the Department of Defense, NASA and others in the US government about the evidence - or lack of evidence - regarding what we know about UAP and the possibility of non-human intelligence. Bryce scorches NASA Director Bill Nelson over his "lack of evidence" comments, and Ross takes an AP reporter to task for apparently not even reading a government report before questioning officials about that very report. And the hosts do a "lighting round" of comments on several other recent UAP developments.

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They expected it, and it's here: serious attempts to discredit Defense Department UFO whistleblower David Grusch. Ross summarizes what he calls the "slimeball" attempts to vilify Grusch, including the exploitation of his battle with PTSD. Ross notes that The Pentagon has always known about that, and gave Grusch a very, very high security clearance, anyway. Bryce and Ross also wonder if the momentum in Congress to explore the government's history of UAP research has been lost. They discuss the very intense effort to remove UAP language from the Defense Authorization Act. And Bryce, who's just back from Sweden, recounts one of the earliest documented UAP encounters - just after World War II in Sweden.

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We have contact! No, not that kind. Ross has made contact with Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, head of The All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office. Ross shares his email exchange with Kirkpatrick, including the Latin motto on his email signature. Ross and Bryce talk about what may, or should, be the next level of Congressional hearings (maybe the full Intelligence Committee, not just a sub-committee). Ross really wants the intelligence community's Inspector General at that next hearing to answer one important question. And both have advice for nudging your lawmaker about the UAP issue: forget email, write a real letter!

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Ross and Bryce share their first impressions of the House Oversight Committee's national security subcommittee hearing on UAP. Whistleblower David Grusch was joined by two former military pilots who reported UAP years ago. Ross and Bryce say it was a big day - the first of what they hope will be more to come. The witnesses deferred several questions to a closed-door hearing, and Ross tore into the Defense Department for its "statement" on whether DoD has any evidence of non-human intelligence. They also noted Grusch's phrase "administrative terrorism" in describing some of what he's gone through since coming forward.

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That would be Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-NY, the Senate Majority Leader. Ross says a proposed amendment to next year's National Defense Authorization Act contains explicit references to non-human intelligence - and there must be a reason for that vetted language. A reason that the Senator knows. Bryce raises this issue of the "controlled disclosure" of UAP information the government may have. And who "owns" crash wreckage or any other material that's been sitting in labs and warehouses for decades?

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Ross and Bryce reflect on the incredible developments of the past months, starting with Ross's interview of former government UAP investigator David Grusch. They agree that more is happening on the UAP front than ever before - especially in the US government. They note that three Congressional committees are considering language that explicitly refers to life and material of non-earth origin. And both agree: this is a great time to be alive.

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It's been three weeks since David Grusch revealed his identity as the most senior and more credible government official yet to acknowledge the existence of UAP. Now, Bryce and Ross discuss what's next for Grusch and for members of Congress who want to know more. Ross also explains why we won't see every second of the more-than three hour interview he conducted with Grusch for NewsNation. And Bryce adds: there's a second interview - actually the 'pre-interview' - that Need to Know controls. And Ross reveals new information about who's been recovering UAP wreckage over the decades.

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This is clearly the most important episode of Need to Know - for now. Ross reveals what's coming by the time you hear this: a whistleblower has come forward, and given two major interviews. One is online, the other is coming to the US cable news channel NewsNation. Ross knows this because he did the interview. Please listen to what could be the start of a very different attitude towards UAP. NOT by the community, but by the world.

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With Ross on assignment, Bryce has found a very worthy fill-in: Chrissy Newton, Founder of VOCAB Communications and Podcaster for The Debrief. A self-described UFO/UAP fanatic since age six, the Toronto native hosts the podcast "Rebelliously Curious with Chrissy Newton." Among the items on the table in this episode: "Confirmation" vs. "Disclosure," an upcoming NASA meeting in which UAP might come up, and the future of of Sean Kirkpatrick's career.

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A week after the Senate's latest UFO/UAP hearing, Bryce and Ross have calmed down enough to talk about it - especially the lack of any "it." Ross pounces on the video of a sphere, and Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's comment that his group "has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics." Bryce is not happy that the one sitting Senator who's been to space, Arizona's Mark Kelly, didn't attend the public hearing but DID show up for the private, classified session. And Bryce and Ross circle back to the big picture of disclosure: when, what, and under what circumstances.

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Ross and Bryce spend a lot of time taking down those who have sought to denigrate, deny and ridicule the search for UFO/UAP answers in the past several decades. And they hope it doesn't happen again next week when a sub-committee of the Senate Armed Services Committee holds a hearing on the subject. Both have plenty of questions they'd love to share with the panel chair, New York Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand. And both will 'wait and see' just how forthcoming witness Sean Kirkpatrick, who runs the Defense Department's All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, will be.

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Ross Coulthart is on assignment in Australia and will return with Bryce for the next Need to Know episode in less than two weeks. In the meantime, we're happy to share this: Bryce's interview with Frederik Dirks of DR, the public radio service of Denmark.

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After dealing with a house full of illnesses, Bryce is ready to carry on! And there is a lot to unpack, including reports of two members of Congress getting a classified briefing - were they shown pictures? Did two noted UFOlogists get punked by a fake government official? Also: a look back at 1973, when sightings were happening everywhere and the President of the United States allegedly gave a UFO tour to Mr. Saturday Night. Ross and Bryce conclude by updating their "fizzle or sizzle" predictions regarding a possible major revelation this year.

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This is the podcast from our first live YouTube episode - a quick follow-up to the Big Balloon Mystery. Ross and Bryce try to unravel what's known and unknown - and what we can learn from top government officials saying he's "not ruling out anything" regarding the providence of the three objects shot down over the Arctic, the Canadian Rockies and Lake Huron. Ross excoriates the mainstream media for "getting in line." And Bryce says teh overall UAP question is bound to be an element in the 2024 Presidential campaign.

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Is all the talk about Chinese spy balloons just a mis-direct by the Defense Department? Ross makes the case, and why the mainstream media is lapping it up. Ross also has a lot to say about Jacques Vallee's new book. Bryce links the term "Majestic" to his "Dark Skies" series, and offers praise for two other UAP-related podcasts: "Weaponized" with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, and "Merged" with Ryan Graves.

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Ross and Bryce can't wait another week to pour over the government report on UAP that was due in October, but is now public. Both are underwhelmed by the clearly intentional effort to make it as dull as possible. They also cover the coverage, disagreeing about the tone of a New York Times article. Ross thinks it's a big milestone toward legitimacy. Bryce is outraged by the condescension. As always, it's great stuff.

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The National Defense Authorization Act - the bill in which Congress tells the Defense Department what to spend its money on - contains revolutionary language about reporting UAP - and those initials now mean something new! Ross reads directly from the bill about protecting anyone who comes forward to talk about sightings, discoveries and much more. Also, vital talk about the weather, various kinds of football, and the US House of Representatives.

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Bryce and Ross mark two anniversaries in this episode. It's been one month since the deadline for Congress to release a new UAP report. And we're close to the five-year anniversary of the New York Times article on the $22 million Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program at the Defense Dept. It's regarded as the first truly series piece by a mainstream media organization on UFO research. And as for the Congressional UAP report that was due at the end of October? Bryce is not happy.

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The Director of National Intelligence was supposed to deliver to Congress its first annual unclassified update on Unexplained Aerial Phenomena this past Monday, October 31st. As of this posting on November 1st, the report has not been delivered. But there have been leaks that Ross and Bryce believe are credible. And they've asked two prominent UFOlogists to talk about it. Ryan Robbins is behind the YouTube channel Post Disclosure World. Cristina Gomez does blogs, social media and four shows on YouTube under her name, Cristina (no 'H') Gomez.

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Is it real? Bryce and Ross go in-depth on the importance and veracity of a memo allegedly written by astrophysicist and government consultant Eric Davis after his meeting with Admiral Thomas Wilson in October of 2002. The memo, if it's real, recounts Wilson's attempts to learn about the US Government's UFO research programs, and how he was rebuffed at every turn. Bryce and Ross "Go Broadway," and re-enact a significant part of the memo, then discuss why Davis has never confirmed that he wrote it and why Wilson has adamantly denied he said any of it.

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Ross and Bryce are back with a look at recent developments, including the ODNI's short-lived saucer logo, the return of the International UFO Conference (Bryce will be speaking!), the Defense Authorization Act, and the fact that Florida's Senate race will yield a pro-UAP Senator regardless of the outcome. But the bulk of this episode is their conversation with John Chapman. The retired British Army soldier decided he'd seen enough carnage from Ukraine, and took his considerable skills to the front lines. There, while battling Russian forces, he and his men saw a UAP. John describes the circumstances that brought him to Ukraine, the situation that night and what he remembers about the object that he says was only about 1,000 feet in the sky.

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It's a packed podcast addressing a long list of developments, especially the recent article by Lue Elizondo entitled "UFOlogy Must Die." They're not going that far, but Ross and Bryce do understand Lue's frustration with UFO Twitter and the out-sized outrage over every tiny scrap of something - or nothing. Also: disappointment at the Navy's refusal to release some videos; will the upcoming Congressionally-mandated regular UAP report contain an "October Surprise?" And Bryce updates the hunt for that infamous formula he received from a mysterious visitor more than a quarter-century ago.

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This is a very different, and special episode. It's the audio from Ross and Bryce's production for Australia's 7NEWS. And includes some eye-opening information straight from the people who know - and who have witnessed UAP. Among those you'll hear from: former US Navy fighter pilot Ryan Graves, artist, filmmaker and ufologist Jeremy Corbell, and Prof. Gary Nolan. And Bryce tells the tale of a shadowy guy who showed up at his house during a party for the cast and crew of "Dark Skies." This is not an episode to skip!

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Ross and Bryce make good on the 'contest' for followers of the show to enjoy a beer with the hosts - albeit virtual. The winners: Kieran Corcoran and Rob Sheridan, two friends from Wicklow, on the east Irish coast just south of Dublin. It was truly a global connection, as Ross joined at 10am Saturday, Kieran and Rob stayed up until 1am on their Saturday, while Bryce and producer Rich Johnson enjoyed their easy happy hour beers at 5pm Friday.

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Ross and Bryce are back, explain where they've been, and dive into three deep subjects: First: new language from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that may grant immunity for potential witnesses not only in government but in private aerospace. Also: Is Gary Nolan the new Lue Elizondo? The Stanford professor has been raising his profile in the UAP community, and has granted Ross a wide-ranging and shocking interview (which we'll play in a later episode). Finally, a discussion that only begins to tackle the subject: how will we change in a post-disclosure world -- after most of the world acknowledges that we are not alone?

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Bryce and Ross welcome Dave Beaty to the podcast. He's an investigative filmmaker who's produced "The Nimitz Encounters," a film about UAP encounters around US Navy ships from 2004 to 2019. As Dave writes on Medium: "When I first learned about that curious case of the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz, 100 miles off the coast of San Diego, CA in Nov of 2004 I was enthralled by the descriptions of a 50-foot-long white capsule-shaped UFO that had out-paced F/A-18F Super Hornets." You can watch the film at http://thenimitzencounters.com.

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Bryce and Ross mark 75 years since 1947, "The Summer of the Saucers." It's considered the beginning of the modern UFO era. They recount a couple of prominent incidents in those early days, and flash forward to today and word that NASA will launch a UAP study - albeit a very quick and barely funded study. Also: are drones the new swap gas? That is, an easy and lazy way for UAP doubters to explain away sightings?

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This episode's title comes from the 1948 document produced by Project Sign, which the head of the Air Force ordered destroyed. Also: with more than two weeks to think about it, Ross and Bryce have more to say about the Congressional hearing on UAP -- including results of a couple of listener surveys. They also come up a few questions that lawmakers SHOULD have asked. And Ross explains why any talk about drones being an explanation for an UAP sighting is idiotic. Hint: drones can't fly that fast, that far, and for that long!

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"Underwhelming" is one of the more polite words used to discuss the first Congressional hearing on UAP in more than 50 years. You'll hear plenty of tougher words from Bryce and Ross, as well as from the podcast's very first guest: Lue Elizondo, formerly with the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (ATTIP), the Defense Dept. unit that studied UAP. The not-quite 90-minute hearing by the House Intelligence Subcommittee on Counterintelligence, Counterterrorism, and Counterproliferation yielded a lot of narrowly-focused questions and fuzzy answers, according to both our guests and hosts.

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Ross and Bryce review some recent UAP news, including an obvious hoax, confusion about Garry Reid's exact status, the return of the UFO Fest in McMinnville, Oregon, a new documentary and a new series based on David Bowie's 1976 "The Man Who Fell to Earth." Then: a look back at Congressional inquiries into UAP and whether hearings will occur in the future.

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Bryce needs to get a few things off his chest. But he's a writer, not an announcer. So he found a big-time announcer, former "The Tonight Show" announcer Edd Hall, to give voice to Bryce's thoughts. WARNING: This is rated "E" (with a vengeance).

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Ross and Bryce share two of the best-known stories involving musicians who say they've encountered UFOs. Ross tells the tale of Blink 182's Tom DeLonge. He's made some controversial claims over the past few years, including conversations with top government officials. He also co-founded To the Stars, which bills itself as an academy of arts and sciences. But Bryce goes back more than four decades to the east side of Manhattan, where one night in late August John Lennon says he saw a UFO hovering near his penthouse apartment. Also: praise for journalist Tim McMillan's recent scoop, and they note the death of John Lear.

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Bryce and Ross tackle several recent and historical UAP developments, including the release of the classified version of last year's preliminary Defense Department report on UAP. Bryce shares thoughts on the spectrum of current UAP thinking: are they benevolent beings from beyond or do they mean us harm? Ross recounts his conversations with a man who's dealing with devastating injuries that he says were caused by a UAP encounter. And producer Rich Johnson talks about living in UAP "Ground Zero" -- Las Vegas.

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If you don't know about Harry Turner and Edward Ruppelt, you soon will. Ross and Bryce tell stories about some of the earliest investigations into UAP in the US and Australia -- including the story of the man who came up with the acronym "UFO." Bryce also shares his latest survey about what we should be calling this phenomenon: UFO, UAP, both, or neither. And Ross lets us know about a revelation from the former head of France's version of the CIA.

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Bryce turns the tables in this episode, and interviews Ross about his research into UAP that lead to his groundbreaking book "In Plain Sight." Ross takes us from being intrigued by the idea as a teenager in New Zealand to how UFO sightings were ridiculed by his bosses at many news outlets. Ross admits that he was sometimes doing the ridiculing. But that skepticism lead to a journey that continues with the book -- and this podcast!

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Why is the Air Force AWOL on UAP? Why is the Navy taking the lead on most disclosures these days? And where is the world's major news media? Ross and Bryce discuss those questions, and put them into the context of more and more lawmakers, intelligence officials and others at the center of this quest sharing more of what they've been told.

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If the inhabitants of UAP really want to reach out, why don't they just land on the White House lawn? Bryce and Ross get into that question, as well as what American presidents do know, don't know, and probably need to know about UFOs over the decades. They also recount the incident of astonishing mass UFO sightings in the sky over Washington, D.C. during the 1952 presidential campaign. And they let us know about two Presidents who claimed to have seen UAP.

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Bryce and Ross dive back to the year that started it all: 1947. The war was over, but the sightings were everywhere: the foo fighters, ghost rockets, and The Big One: Roswell, where the military acknowledged then quickly rescinded news that wreckage from something it couldn't identify were found on a remote farm in New Mexico. It's also the year that the US Air Force, the CIA and the National Security Agency were founded.

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Bryce and Ross discuss the death of former Nevada Sen. Harry Reid, how he made a huge impact on the UAP discussion - and how most articles about him missed or ignored that fact.

Also: UAP is not just a US thing. It's been regarded as a genuine mystery by multiple Governments around the World.

Finally, a discussion of what it will take for the world's biggest and most mainstream media outlets to take UAP seriously, and to pursue stories with the same fever that brought us reporting on Watergate and the Pentagon Papers.

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Ross and Bryce talk about the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), passed by Congress, signed by the President. Ross talks about the need for quality data in UAP sightings. Bryce presents his investigation into how the Betty and Barney Hill abduction case was first made public by investigative journalist John Luttrell Sr. and how the state of New Hampshire is going to change its historical marker based on Bryce's findings.

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Ross and Bryce look ahead to the UAP/UFO events of next year.

They discuss how likely progress is going to be and what it means if the U.S. passes the Gillibrand - Rubio Amendment.

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Ross and Bryce look back at the UAP/UFO events of the past year.

At the top of the list: the June UAP report, and the Gillibrand-Rubio Amendment now being voted on in Congress.

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