Pastor Pastor

What does it mean to be a Christian? In this thought-provoking conversation, Wes brings a clarity to conversion that has sobering implications both for pastors and the flocks they shepherd. Drawing on his pastoral experience and his PhD studies, Wes exposes the root of conversion confusion and explains what it looks like to have a faith that works.

"Churches struggle from ungodly communication more than any single problem." In this encore episode, Wes draws on his decades of experience as both a husband and pastor as he explores what it looks like to speak with truth, love, and clarity. Learn the keys to godly communication and why it's critical to your relationships both at church and at home, and discover what steps you can take today to strengthen your marriage and build up your church.

In this encore episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes unpacks the art and craft of preaching, from the early stages of sermon prep to the final moments of delivery. You'll hear how NETS builds on seminary studies in training men to handle God’s Word, and why it's essential to connect with your particular congregation to stir hearts, challenge minds, and call both believers and nonbelievers to repentance.

In this encore episode, Wes and Sue share what they call the “Happy Wife Test” and how it reveals the foundation of a thriving marriage. Drawing from their 45-year journey in marriage and ministry, they offer practical wisdom on communication, mutual support, and finding joy in partnership. From their early ministry beginnings to their latest church plant, Wes and Sue open up about what it really means to be happy, who’s responsible for it, and how couples can stay connected and effective in both life and ministry.

In this encore episode of Pastor Pastor, we revisit episode 7 of season 1, where we examine the nature of true conversion and the perils of being deceived about our own salvation. Wes reflects on the early years of Christ Memorial Church and the surprising movement of God's Spirit in committed members who were professing faith. As their eyes were opened and their hearts truly transformed, the evidence of God's saving work became clear to those around them. Wes shares how this helped clarify in his own mind the fruit of true conversion, and gently guides us through how we, as shepherds, can support others in this journey.

This Summer Encore Series episode of "Pastor Pastor" dives deep into the heart of pastoral ministry as Wes answers the critical but often neglected question, "What does it mean to shepherd as a soul physician?" Listen as Wes and Rob explore how pastors can discern the spiritual health of those entrusted to their care without becoming 'soul police'. Their conversation will stretch your understanding of pastoral care and provide biblical tools to help diagnose your flock. It's a topic with eternal consequences for pastors and the souls they shepherd.

As part of our Summer Encore Series, Wes explains how the NETS Residency Program equips pastors to become exceptional preachers on "Pastor Pastor." Wes and Rob dive into the heart of the NETS Residency Program's exegesis, theology, and preaching track, and its focus on crafting sermons that stay true to Scripture and are deeply relevant for the congregation. They also discuss the unique challenges and opportunities that set church planters and revitalizers apart. This episode offers practical wisdom for anyone passionate about preaching and church leadership.

As part of our Summer Encore Series, we're revisiting an inspiring and heartfelt conversation on "Pastor Pastor" with Wes and his wife, Sue, who shares her remarkable journey of faith. You'll hear about Sue's life before Christ and the powerful moment that changed everything. With her practical wisdom, sharp strategic mind, and ability to embrace the present, Sue's story is not just moving—it's empowering. Her passion for the Lord shines brightly as she opens up about her transformation and calling. Plus, you'll get a glimpse into the love story that brought Wes and Sue together and how they've built such a strong, united front in ministry. This episode is packed with insight, authenticity, and plenty of laughter—don't miss this fan favorite!

In this encore episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes helps us think through what it means to lead with courage, clarity, and compassion. From baptizing young children to guiding church members on communion and leading an elder board, Wes highlights the lead pastor’s pivotal role in helping the church move forward faithfully. This is an important conversation about how the gospel gives pastors the courage to lead with love, even on difficult issues that can leave them feeling vulnerable.

In this encore episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes helps us think about what faithful ministry requires in the gospel-parched soil of New England. This conversation is a timely reminder that shepherding is never one-size-fits-all. Pastors must know their people, understand their context, and bring the unchanging truth of the gospel without ever compromising it.

How should pastors think about their finances? In this episode, Wes responds to a pastor’s question about providing faithfully today while preparing wisely for the future. While the conversation is especially aimed at pastors, it offers helpful wisdom for every Christian and encourages churches to care thoughtfully for those who shepherd them.

If God is absolutely sovereign, then how can we have free will? Does God merely allow evil, or does He ordain it? In this episode, Wes helps us untangle what the Bible says about free will and how it relates to election, suffering, and salvation.

Why are there so many Bible translations, and does it matter which one you use? A loyal listener asks Wes to explain why today's most popular translations are different, why they exist, and how those differences affect the way we read Scripture. Wes offers practical guidance for choosing a Bible for study, devotional reading, and everyday use, helping you read God's Word with greater understanding and confidence.

In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Rob and Wes share some exciting news: NETS is partnering with The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary to offer an MDiv on the NETS Center campus starting in fall of 2027. Learn more about this unique program that combines the rigorous theological education Southern is know for with the hands-on pastoral training that has defined the NETS Residency Program for over 25 years.

How do we know when we've truly communicated? In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes talks about the hard work that real communication requires, the heart behind it, and how pastors in particular can communicate with clarity and care.

Back by popular demand, Sue Pastor joins Wes to share how being proactive about their marriage has kept them well connected for over 45 years. Get a behind-the-scenes look at the interactive, intentional marriage retreat framework they've used for decades to improve communication, set goals, and talk about the critical issues common to all marriages with grace and truth. This episode may be the encouragement you and your spouse need to slow down and firm up your relational foundation so it can stand the test of trials and time.

In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes shows how our freedom to behold Christ through praise, prayer, and presentation leads to true transformation, and why sanctification is not merely behavior modification but Spirit-empowered metamorphosis.

What are some books every Christian should read? Wes's answers may surprise you. In this episode you'll get both theological and practical recommendations, along with tips for more focused Bible reading. And Wes names his favorite book of Scripture — can you guess what it is?

How do you know when it's time to leave your church? In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes discusses mission drift and heresy by omission, the importance of a membership commitment, and how to leave in a way that protects unity and honors your pastor.

In this continuation of our discussion on the biblical definition of “neighbor,” Wes demonstrates how a proper interpretation of the Good Samaritan parable clarifies the evangelical mission of the church and protects the church from missional drift.

How does the Bible answer the question, "Who is my neighbor?" Get ready to have your assumptions challenged. The Good Samaritan is one of the most familiar parables in the Bible, but it may also be one of the most misunderstood. In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes traces the exegetical path of Luke's text to a conclusion that may surprise you.

Whether your view of Jesus' return is premillenial, postmillenial, or amillenial, one thing is clear: Jesus wins. In response to a listener's question, Wes briefly explains each view, then shows how the return of Christ grounds our hope as we go about our daily lives.

Christians can hold differing views on a variety of issues. How do we distinguish between what's biblical, and what's mere conviction, tradition, or preference? In this episode, Wes helps us draw that line, looking at numerous examples and contrasting what the Bible explicitly teaches with what's consistent, but not commanded. It’s a clarifying conversation that challenges assumptions and brings needed humility to how we hold our positions.

Why can you trust that the Bible is God’s Word? Because Jesus did! In this thought-provoking episode, Wes presents evidence for the validity of the Bible, including the self-authenticating nature of Scripture and what to do with textual variants.

Anxiety seems increasingly common today. Is the cause primarily emotional, physical, spiritual—or something else? In this practical and pastoral episode, Wes gives a biblical framework for thinking and shepherding through anxiety. Wes counsels us to repent of sinful anxiety, stay in the lane of what God has revealed, and trust Him to provide sufficient grace for all things.

In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes responds to a listener’s question about whether the Bible teaches differing rewards in heaven and varying degrees of punishment in hell. It’s a conversation that raises important questions about eternity—questions that, once asked, are hard to ignore.

When circumstances are desperate, prayer flows. But for a Christian, a life of prayer flows from a desperation to see God's promises fulfilled. In this candid conversation, Wes reflects on the truths of Scripture, the life of Jesus, and his own personal experience as he challenges pastors, and all Christians, to cultivate holy desperation. Topics include our motivation for desperation, prayer and God's sovereignty, and practical tips on growing in prayer.

In this episode, Wes responds to a listener question: Do the wicked face everlasting conscious punishment or eventual annihilation? Wes demonstrates the consistency and clarity of Scripture concerning the fate of the wicked and discusses the significance of this sobering topic.

Is the fear of God something to dread, or something to treasure? Wes helps Rob explore the dual nature of holy fear: the servile fear that awakens the lost to their need for mercy, and the filial fear that steadies the believer in worship and obedience. Listen in as they consider why fearing God is not opposed to love, but is the very foundation for truly knowing Him.

How can Christians avoid either overestimating or underestimating the power and influence of the evil one? In today's episode, Wes answers another thoughtful question from one of our listeners: "How does Scripture help us distinguish between the effects of the fall and the active work of Satan in the world?"

In this episode, Wes opens with an addendum to an earlier discussion, “What Happens When I Die?”, offering further clarity on what Scripture teaches about life after death. From there, the conversation turns toward personal holiness and what it looks like to behold God in everyday life. Wes helps us see why the Christian life is not divided into sacred and secular categories, and how even ordinary moments, including watching the Super Bowl, can become occasions for growing in holiness as we learn to live all of life before God.

What does it mean to take communion "in an unworthy manner"? In this episode, Wes clarifies one of the New Testament’s most often misunderstood warnings. As we walk through 1 Corinthians 11:27–29, Wes directs our focus away from excessive self-examination and toward Paul’s real concern — a divided church failing to love and honor one another. Learn how this passage, considered in context, does not present the Lord's Supper as a test of personal worthiness, but as a safeguard to strength and unity in the church as believers behold Christ together.

In this episode we continue our new weekly format with a question and a challenge. First, Wes walks us through Luke 9:23, clarifying what Jesus means when he tells us to take up our cross. Wes explains how cross-bearing is not a later stage of discipleship, but a defining mark of genuine faith, and helps us recover the full weight of Jesus’ call. Wes then turns to New England, presenting a compelling case for the spiritual benefits to both pastors and lay people of serving in one of our country's neediest mission fields, and how NETS can prepare you and your family for faithful, long-term ministry in the region.

What actually happens the moment we die? In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Rob invites Wes into a thoughtful, hope-filled conversation about death, heaven, and what lies ahead both for those in Christ and for those outside of Him. Wes shares what Scripture teaches about being with the Lord, the promise of resurrection, and the sober realities of judgment, while also considering why facing death honestly can deepen our faith and shape how we live today.

Why would a man who has pastored for over 30 years, earned two seminary degrees, planted a thriving church, and launched a successful church planting ministry, earn a PhD? For the sake of his own soul, and for yours. As Season 3 begins, Wes gets personal about what it means to be "free indeed" and shares how this vital truth can profoundly affect your life and your church. 

In this season finale, Wes tackles one of Christianity’s essential doctrines: the hypostatic union—Jesus Christ as fully God and fully man. Wes shows why this truth undergirds our entire hope of salvation. As Advent draws our attention to the mystery of the incarnation, this episode draws us closer to the true meaning of Christmas, with a compelling reminder of who Jesus is and why that matters, not only at Christmas, but throughout the year.

On this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes is joined by special guest Dr. Albert Mohler. Dr. Mohler reflects on the societal and geographic forces shaping the church’s future, including New England’s historic and continued influence, and the need for gospel reformation across the nation. Find out why this next generation of pastors—including so many of you, our listeners—is uniquely positioned for courageous, convictional leadership, and how faithful and grounded ministry, wherever it is planted, can spark genuine renewal.

What would it look like to see your entire day through the lens of Christ? In this episode, Wes invites listeners to rediscover the gospel in the ordinary, from morning routines and workdays to family life and rest. He talks about cultivating a Christocentric mindset that transforms even the most mundane moments into worship. With gentle wisdom and relatable insight, Wes shows how joy, purpose, and faithfulness grow when we begin to think as Jesus would.

In this second episode in our series on Christocentric hermeneutics, Wes demonstrates how passages throughout the New Testament validate this approach to understanding God's Word. Listen in as Jesus gives the disciples a lesson in biblical interpretation, and discover how learning to see the Bible through the lens of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection helps fix your gaze on the Savior.

Biblical hermeneutics. Allegorical interpretations. Motifs. Whether these words excite you or leave your eyes glazed, this episode is for you! Wes explains why he approaches the Bible from a viewpoint that is both grammatical-historical and Christocentric, with the recognition that Scripture is fundamentally about the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, and shares how embracing this view of the Bible can transform your ministry and your life.

In episode 20 of season 2, Wes discusses the true mission of the church and offers clarity on what it means to make disciples. With Scripture as the guide and lessons from church history as context, he addresses the social gospel head-on, including the debate around social justice. From neighborhood outreach to global missions, this episode delivers bold direction for building a mission mindset in every congregant. If you’re serious about seeing the Great Commission drive your church, be sure to listen.

In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes and Sue share what they call the “Happy Wife Test” and how it reveals the foundation of a thriving marriage. Drawing from their 45-year journey in marriage and ministry, they offer practical wisdom on communication, mutual support, and finding joy in partnership. From their early ministry beginnings to their latest church plant, Wes and Sue open up about what it really means to be happy, who’s responsible for it, and how couples can stay connected and effective in both life and ministry.

In this episode, Wes shares why shepherding is central to pastoral duty, grounding his insights in passages like 1 Peter 5 and Ephesians 4. He explains that the true goal of shepherding is to help the church grow in maturity and Christlikeness, with sound doctrine and genuine love at its core. Wes also gets practical, talking about how preaching, teaching, and cultivating church-centered lives all play a vital role in faithful shepherding.

In this episode, Pastor Mike Ruel of Highlands Bible Church sits down with Wes and Rob to share his journey from corporate America to full-time ministry and how God prepared his heart for local church leadership along the way. Mike reflects on his church’s partnership with NETS, the changing church landscape, and why strong, gospel-centered leadership matters more than ever. 

Is your church characterized by evangelistic zeal? Are you? Evangelism is a team sport involving every member of the church and fueled by gospel preaching that doesn't shy away from the hard truths. In this episode, Wes shares how pastors can lead their churches to move beyond occasional outreach events and build a culture of gospel witness fueled by love, biblical teaching, and personal testimony.

In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes unpacks the art and craft of preaching, from the early stages of sermon prep to the final moments of delivery. You'll hear how NETS builds on seminary studies in training men to handle God’s Word, and why it's essential to connect with your particular congregation to stir hearts, challenge minds, and call both believers and nonbelievers to repentance.

In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes digs into the heart of gospel shepherding as it applies to older saints. This season of life is not about coasting or settling into spiritual autopilot, but about living sacrificially with grit, grace, and purpose. Whether you’re a pastor, church leader, or simply feeling the pull to slow down, you'll come away encouraged that your best years for Christ's kingdom might well be ahead of you.

In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Rob invites Wes to share his experience and insight on small group ministry—why it matters, what helps it flourish, and how it functions as a mini church. Wes lays out the role of the leader, the importance of using the time well, and how small groups can foster real discipleship, care, and connection. This conversation offers practical wisdom and a clear reminder that leading a healthy small group takes preparation, intentionality, and a commitment to shepherd well.

In this fascinating episode, Wes is joined by special guest Nate Pickowicz, pastor, author, and proud New Englander. Nate is known for numerous books, including "Reviving New England" and "Dear Titus: Letters on Church Planting" (with a chapter contributed by Wes). But Nate brings more than ideas to the table—he brings hard-earned insight from the frontlines of New England pastoral ministry. Wes and Nate talk about the cost and the calling of church planting, the convictions that drive them, and why they’re both committed to staying here for life and raising up the next generation of faithful shepherds. It’s a heartfelt, boots-on-the-ground conversation between two men who know the struggle, see the beauty, and believe the work is worth it.

In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes explores one of the most critical—and often overlooked—aspects of shepherding: gospel counseling. Wes explains what makes gospel counseling unique, why it’s essential, and how it strengthens both a pastor’s preaching and his relationships within the church. Drawing on over three decades of pastoral wisdom, Wes offers practical insight for every pastor.

Our second episode of listener-submitted questions gets personal as Wes shares stories and insights on pastoring, parenting, what NETS needs, and more. There's something for everyone, from pastors to brand-new believers, grandparents to teenage girls. Tune in for another episode filled with pastoral warmth and wisdom.

In this fast-paced and fun episode of “Pastor Pastor,” Wes answers a wide range of listener-submitted questions—some deep and theological, others lighthearted and personal. Listen as Wes addresses each topic with honesty, humor, and the pastoral wisdom you've come to expect.

In this week's podcast we unpack a phrase that captures the heartbeat of the NETS Network churches: "Calvinism with a smile." Wes explores why Calvinism often gets a bad rap, clarifies misconceptions, and shows how understanding Reformed theology actually leads to joyful mission, evangelistic passion, and churches that are solidly biblical and boldly missional.

In today's episode, Wes Pastor is joined in the studio by B.J. Walters, lead pastor of Redeeming Grace Church, a NETS Network church in northern Vermont. Grab your Bible and listen in as these skilled pastor-theologians take a deep yet practical dive into Romans 7. Does Romans 7 describe your life? Discover why your answer to that question is crucial to shepherding your flock—and even to your own soul.

If sin’s power has been broken in a Christian's life, why do we still sin? Is it a failure to walk by the Spirit moment by moment? Building on our last episode, "Slave or Free?," Wes Pastor unpacks key passages that shape our understanding of sin's influence and our freedom in Christ. This thought-provoking conversation clarifies common misconceptions concerning growth in holiness, struggles with sin, and what it really means to walk by the Spirit.

What does it mean to be a Christian? In this thought-provoking conversation, Wes Pastor brings a clarity to conversion that has sobering implications both for pastors and the flocks they shepherd. Drawing on his pastoral experience and his PhD studies, Wes exposes the root of conversion confusion and explains what it looks like to have a faith that works.

Parenting is never easy, and for pastors, the challenges can be even more complex. In this episode, Rob Trubia asks Wes Pastor how parents can raise children who love the church rather than grow to resent it. Wes offers wisdom on building strong, lasting relationships that carry through the teenage years and into adulthood.

Wes Pastor and Rob Trubia continue their conversation on anger with a discussion on what habitual anger can reveal about the state of your soul. Wes shares biblically and practically from his own experience battling this besetting sin, including adjusting expectations to keep anger at bay, practicing righteousness in the power of the Spirit, and embracing the confidence a Christian has in winning the battle against anger.

In part 1 of our two-part series on anger, Wes Pastor and host Rob Trubia explore this universal emotion that can have devastating consequences for your church. Discover the difference between sinful and non-sinful anger, and find out how to deal with all anger swiftly and biblically. 

As we launch Season 2, Wes draws on his decades of experience as both a husband and pastor as he and Rob discuss godly communication. Learn the importance of closing the loop, how to listen with understanding, and why it's sometimes wise to say nothing at all. There's also a thought-provoking dive into technology and communication. Don't miss this episode filled with steps you can take today to strengthen your marriage and build up your church.

As we wrap up Season 1 of “Pastor Pastor,” we’ve put together a special episode filled with highlights from the year. As we look back, we're reminded of what a blessing this season was to produce. It's been an even greater blessing to receive such encouraging feedback from you, our listeners. We look forward to Season 2, and thank you for being part of this ministry.

Episode 15 of “Pastor Pastor” dives deep into the heart of pastoral ministry as Wes answers the critical but often neglected question, "What does it mean to shepherd as a soul physician?" Listen as Wes and Rob explore how pastors can discern the spiritual health of those entrusted to their care without becoming 'soul police'.  Their conversation will stretch your understanding of pastoral care and provide biblical tools to help diagnose your flock. It's a topic with eternal consequences for pastors and the souls they shepherd.

Seminary education was once the gold standard for pastoral training. What's changed, and why does it matter? In today's episode of "Pastor Pastor," Wes dives into the shifting landscape of pastoral preparation, from apprenticeships to the rise of seminaries to today's dramatic increase in online studies. He discusses why fewer pastors pursue seminary training and the ripple effects this trend may have on the church. Finally, Wes introduces an innovative program from NETS that meets the need for education and practice head-on, blending cutting-edge online learning with real-world pastoral experience.

How did New England go from a Puritan haven to a post-Christian landscape littered with empty churches? In this episode of Pastor Pastor, Wes takes us on a captivating journey through the rise and fall of the church in New England, through the so-called Enlightenment and the Great Awakenings, and onto the mission field that is New England today. Learn what is needed to set the table for revival, how NETS fits in, and why Wes holds great hope for another marvelous work of God's Spirit in New England.

In Episode 12 of "Pastor Pastor," we pick up our conversation with Wes and Sue with their seminary years. With her characteristic warmth and candor, Sue offers a behind-the-scenes look at life as Wes's faithful ministry partner throughout seminary, a church plant, and the conception of NETS. You'll discover the unique role of a pastor's wife (it might surprise you!), the particular challenges of ministry in New England, and how Sue's faith, courage, and clarity have shaped their journey and helped to forge them as an effective couple for the sake of Christ's kingdom.

In Episode 11 of "Pastor Pastor," we're joined by Wes's wife, Sue, for a candid conversation about the people and events that shaped her journey to faith, the love story that brought the couple together, and the affection and convictions that have forged their partnership in ministry and in life. Sue is Lead Women's Mentor for NETS, and her practical wisdom, sharp strategic mind, and ability to embrace life as it comes shine through as we talk. Join us for an episode packed with insight, inspiration, and plenty of laughter!

In Episode 10 of “Pastor Pastor”, Wes and Rob are joined by Reverend Shadrach Vegah, NETS graduate and the founding pastor of Gospel Baptist Church in Cameroon, as well as the NETS Center for Church Planting and Revitalization in Africa. Together, they explore the unique dynamics of church life in Cameroon, comparing what’s familiar and what’s distinct from the American church experience. 

Shadrach offers valuable insights into Cameroonian culture and Wes shares how the American church can learn from the faithfulness and resilience of believers in Cameroon. Despite the challenges and dangers Shadrach's church currently faces, he speaks to the overwhelming goodness of God in saving many in Cameroon. 

This episode is rich with wisdom and encouragement, and Shadrach’s gentle spirit and deep insight will surely bless your heart. Don't miss this compelling conversation!

In Episode 9 of "Pastor Pastor," Wes explains how the NETS Residency Program equips pastors to become exceptional preachers. Wes and Rob dive into the heart of the NETS Residency Program’s exegesis, theology, and preaching track, and its focus on crafting sermons that stay true to Scripture and are deeply relevant for the congregation. They also discuss the unique challenges and opportunities that set church planters and revitalizers apart. This episode offers practical wisdom for anyone passionate about preaching and church leadership.

In Episode 8, Wes takes us back to the days of the first NETS residents and delves into the Residency Program's unique blend of academics, applied learning, and missionary sending. Then Wes and Rob explore the Residency Program's Personal and Family track, including the critical role of the pastor's wife. Find out what listening to your wife has to do with successful pastoral leadership and discover how NETS equips your marriage to thrive even in the pressure cooker of a church plant or revitalization.

In episode 7 of Pastor Pastor, we examine the nature of true conversion and the perils of being deceived about our own salvation. Wes reflects on the early years of Christ Memorial Church and the surprising movement of God’s Spirit in committed members who were professing faith. As their eyes were opened and their hearts truly transformed, the evidence of God's saving work became clear to those around them. Wes shares how this helped clarify in his own mind the fruit of true conversion, and gently guides us through how we, as shepherds, can support others in this journey.

In Episode 6, Rob and Wes welcome a special guest to the studio—a pastor who graduated from the NETS Residency Program in 2016 and is now leading a vibrant, growing church in the heart of the Middle East. But his influence doesn’t stop there; he’s also at the forefront of a global training program that's sending pastors to plant churches around the world. This conversation is filled with gospel truth and encouragement, offering listeners a Christ-centered vision for church planting in the 10/40 Window. You won't want to miss this faith-building and edifying episode!

In Episode 5, we delve into what it means to lead with courage and clarity. Wes discusses topics including, baptizing young children, guiding parishioners on communion, and leading the Elder board. He highlights the lead pastor’s pivotal role in advancing the church and shares insights on leading with love and compassion, especially on difficult issues. Tune in for an important conversation on how the gospel provides the courage necessary to lead, even when it leaves you feeling vulnerable.

In this special episode of Pastor Pastor, we're exploring the brand new Pastoral Summer Internship Program held at the NETS campus in Williston, Vermont. Recorded during the internship in June, this episode features 11 students from colleges and seminaries across the United States. NETS has historically focused on seminary graduates in their Residency program, specifically designed for church planters and revitalizers. Now, they've launched this internship for undergraduates, driven by Wes’s commitment to the next generation and “paying it forward.” I’m joined by Wes and all 11 interns to talk about the strategy behind the program, their unique experiences in the internship, and what the future holds for this brand new endeavor.

In episode 3 of Pastor Pastor, Wes shares stories of the early days of Christ Memorial Church, including what compelled him to plant in the gospel-parched soil of New England. Find out what it means to customize the gospel without compromising it, and how preaching and knowing your people go hand-in-hand in faithfully shepherding a growing church.

Picking up where we left off, Episode 2 of "Pastor Pastor" delves into Wes's decision to pursue further ministry opportunities, leading him to seminary. In this episode, Wes addresses the profound question of what it means to be called into ministry. He reflects on the intense period of mentoring and growth that prepares him and his young family for the formidable task of planting a church in New England. Join Wes as he shares the hurdles the couple faced, the adventurous spirit they embraced, and their courage to tackle difficult tasks. This episode provides a deeper look at their commitment and the pivotal experiences that shaped their ministry. Tune in for another encouraging episode.

In the debut episode of "Pastor Pastor," we introduce you to Wes Pastor, a seasoned leader in gospel-driven ministry. This episode takes us back to the beginning—Wes's college years, early ministry, and the start of his marriage. These were the formative years that shaped his approach to ministry for the next three decades. Join us for a journey filled with engaging stories, heartfelt encouragement, and a touch of old-fashioned romance. Dive into the experiences that shaped Wes into the teacher and mentor he is today. Don't miss this inspiring kickoff to our series!