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Let’s be real. Men need to bring up their social justice game, and we believe there are men out there who want to but don’t know how. Jake and Carl don’t have all the answers, but they believe that opening up and doing a lot of self-reflection is one of the best ways for men to join the movement. Listen in while they try to model that process. Jake identifies as a cis-man, White, heterosexual, disabled (learning disability), middle class, agnostic, and is fan of Star Wars. Jake is a Communications major and Ethnic Studies minor and works as a member of the Red Whistle Brigade at Colorado State University. Currently Jake is working out a healthier masculinity around ableism. Carl identifies as a cis-man, mixed (Japanese and White), heterosexual, disabled (depression and hearing loss), middle class, agnostic, and has his Master’s Degree in Ethnic Studies. He serves as the Men’s Programming and Violence Prevention Coordinator at the Women and Gender Advocacy Center and this is his 14th total year at Colorado State University. He’s a huge fan of card and board games. Carl is currently working on finding healthy ways to build community around his dominant identities. Welcome to this podcast presented by 90.5 KCSU.
- 52 - Effects of DARVO Season 4 Episode 10
Join Peter and Carl as they talk about DARVO, which stands for Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim Offender. It’s a common behavior exhibited by men accused of sexual violence. Naming harmful behaviors is a great way for men to exercise social justice.
Mon, 27 May 2019 - 51 - Cheat Day! Washing hands
It’s a cheat day! Peter and Carl take a break from the heavy lifting and snack on some ranting. The topic this time is men not washing their hands after using public restrooms.
Sun, 19 May 2019 - 50 - What’s Good About Being a Man? Season 4 Episode 9
Yo… Carl screwed up. This is a recording from 2 years ago where Jake and Carl talk about what’s good about being a man. They are joined later by Jacob, and they talk more explicitly about identity and complicate what it means to be a man.
Mon, 13 May 2019 - 49 - Cheat Day! Men adjusting their junk
It’s a cheat day! Peter and Carl take a break from the heavy lifting and snack on some ranting. The topic this time is men adjusting their junk in public.
Thu, 02 May 2019 - 48 - Cheat Day! DIY Music Scene
It’s a cheat day! Peter and Carl take a break for the heavy lifting and snack on some ranting. The topic this time is the DIY Music Scene.
Fri, 26 Apr 2019 - 47 - Emotional and Spiritual Work for Men Part 2 Season 4 Episode 8
Join Peter and Carl as they continue to explore what emotional and spiritual work really means. They are guided by Bill, a doctoral student, as they walk the talk from part 1. Expressing vulnerability to connect with your body is a crucial way for men to exercise social justice.
Mon, 29 Apr 2019 - 46 - Spiritual and Emotional Work for Men Part 1 Season 4 Episode 7
Join Peter and Carl as they embark on a journey to unpack what it means to be emotional and spiritual. They are joined by Bill, a doctoral student at CSU, to help them out. In part 1, they intellectually explore why men need to connect with their emotions. Emotional work is a great way for men to exercise social justice.
Mon, 29 Apr 2019 - 45 - Busting Myths About Strippers Season 4 Episode 6
Join Peter and Carl as they speak with Katana! Katana works in the stripper industry and teaches Peter and Carl about what it’s like to be a stripper. Understanding what women in the industry go through and how to talk about it with other men is a way to exercise social justice!
Thu, 11 Apr 2019 - 44 - Cheat Day! Spitting in Public
It’s a cheat day! Peter and Carl take a break for the heavy lifting and snack on some ranting. The topic this time is when men spit in public.
Thu, 11 Apr 2019 - 43 - Cheat Day! Mansplaining
It’s a cheat day! Peter and Carl take a break from the heavy lifting and snack on some ranting. The topic this time is mansplaining!
Mon, 08 Apr 2019 - 42 - Radical Self Love and Men Part 2 Season 4 Episode 5
Join Peter and Carl as they react to their interview with Sonya Renee Taylor and try to figure out this radical self-love thing.
Fri, 05 Apr 2019 - 41 - Radical Self Love and Men Part 1 Season 4 Episode 4
Join Peter and Carl as the interview Sonya Renee Taylor, the author of The Body is Not an Apology. She’s incredible and helps Peter and Carl figure out how radical self-love can be an awesome process for men exercising social justice.
Mon, 01 Apr 2019 - 40 - Men Going Their Own Way Season 4 Episode 3
Join Peter and Carl as they dig into the Men Go Their Own Way community. It’s a little bit scary to tackle a subject that might hit close to home. But doing internal work is an important process for men exercising social justice.
Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 39 - Black Pill Season 4 Episode 2
Join Peter and Carl as they talk about the Black Pill community. Although the Black Pill is on the extreme side of masculinity, what are the lessons we can learn about ourselves from the men in this community. They’re joined by a surprise guest! Tune in to find out why it’s important for us to keep an eye on these groups as a way for men to exercise social justice.
Mon, 04 Mar 2019 - 38 - Understanding White Supremacy Season 4 Episode 01
We’re back for season 4! Join Peter and Carl as they dive into the importance of understanding the dynamics of white supremacy in our everyday lives. They will be using two different articles to talk directly about how thinking intersectionally about systems of oppression is a necessary component to men exercising social justice.
Mon, 18 Feb 2019 - 37 - Season 4 PreviewFri, 08 Feb 2019
- 36 - What the hell incel? Season 3 Episode 03
Join Jake and Carl as they try to figure out what the hell men who identify as “involuntary celibate” or incel are thinking. Recent news in Toronto of men’s violence against women has brought the radicalization of white cis-men, and particularly the online community that calls themselves incel. They dig into the problematic thought processes that we need to resist and take action against. And they demonstrate this through self reflection and how they used to think the same way. And finally, this is the final episode for Jake to be on the podcast. Hear what he has to say about his journey through masculinity as he prepared to graduate and continue his path of exercising social justice.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 35 - Transmasculinities S03 Episode 01
Join Jake and Carl as they kick off season 3 with a discussion about Transmasculinities. Patrice Palmer (tHEy/hYm/sHE), and D-L Stewart (he/they), Professor and Co-Coordinator of Student Affairs in Higher Education, School of Education, lead the discussion to talk about what they’ve learned through their life, wrestling with gender, race, and sexuality. What does it mean to queer gender? What does it mean to queer masculinity? The four of them get deep into breaking down social understandings of gender, race, and sexuality and actively defining and redefining themselves in the process of exercising social justice.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 34 - Men and Activism Season 3 Episode 02
Join Jake and Carl as they dig into the nuances of how activism looks like for men in social justice. They are joined by Kristy Kumar, Assistant Director of Educational Programs at the Women and Gender Advocacy Center. Kristy gives incredible insight around defining and philosophizing around what activism even means. Can men even identify as activist in the context of social justice? Find out, because figuring out what activism looks like for men is a struggle in exercising social justice.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 33 - Masculinity in the music industry Season 3 Episode 04
Join Peter and Carl as they try to break down some of the intricacies of music consumption. Why do we only think of Black entertainers as problematic musicians? Peter is the expert, and so listening to people who are experts in their field is an exercise of social justice.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 32 - Subtlety of toxic masculinity Season 3 Episode 05
Join Peter and Carl as they talk about the subtle behaviors that add up to the everyday struggle of marginalized people, especially how it relates to gender. Is saying “you guys” to a mixed gender group really that big of a deal? Find out as Peter and Carl give examples of how men can exercise social justice nearly every second of our waking lives.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 31 - Cheat Day: Clothing Season 3 Episode 06
What is a “cheat day”? Peter and Carl take a break from the heavy lifting of social justice and rant about stuff. Taking breaks helps us sustain exercising social justice for a long time.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 30 - Stand-up comics coming back from what? Season 3 Episode 07
Join Peter and Carl as they discuss the news about men in stand up comedy who are accused of or have admitted to sexually abusing women “coming back” to the stage. What are they “coming back” from? There’s a lot of unanswered questions about what is the right amount of time for these men to step away. People are still questioning whether or not these men did anything wrong. Since it seems like a lot of men are trying to figure this out, let’s add to the discussion as a way to exercise social justice.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 29 - Cheat Day: Men Drawing Dicks Season 3 Episode 08
What is a “cheat day”? Peter and Carl take a break from the heavy lifting of social justice and rant about stuff. Taking breaks helps us sustain exercising social justice for a long time.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 28 - Closer examination of humor Season 03 Episode 09
Join Peter and Carl as they circle back to a conversation about humor. How does humor function in our world? As it turns out, in many, many different ways. Humor can function as a way to maintain oppression, as well as provide relief from it. Find out about the ways in which humor can and can’t be used to exercise social justice.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 27 - Cheat Day: Men taking off shirts Season 03 Episode 10
What is a “cheat day”? Peter and Carl take a break from the heavy lifting of social justice and rant about stuff. Taking breaks helps us sustain exercising social justice for a long time.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 26 - Men as Survivors Season 03 Episode 11
Join Peter and Carl as they engage in a topic that isn’t often explored. When men as survivors and victims of sexual assault is brought up, it is often someone (and often a man) yelling from the back during a discussion about women as survivors and victims, “Well men are victims too!!” What happens when we start the conversation about men as survivors? We do this with our guest, Kai, as we talk about they ways in which men as survivors of sexual assault is an important exercise in social justice.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 25 - Cheat Day: Men don’t dismount Season 3 Episode 12
What is a “cheat day”? Peter and Carl take a break from the heavy lifting of social justice and rant about stuff. Taking breaks helps us sustain exercising social justice for a long time.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 24 - Socially conscious men on Tinder Season 3 Episode 13
Join Peter and Carl as they tackle the world of dating. How is this complicated for men exercising social justice? Is Tinder reinforcing problematic notions of masculinities? The app itself might not be reinforcing it, but it certainly brings out problematic masculinity from men. Joining the discussion is Bailey, who speaks to what it’s like being on the receiving end of men matching with her on Tinder. It’s not all bad, but it’s not all great. Bearing witness to the experiences of marginalized folks is a crucial way for men to exercise social justice.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 23 - Dating in the gay cis-man community Season 3 Episode 14
Join Peter and Carl as they dive into the world of dating for gay cis-men. To help them out, Sage offers his perspectives and experiences from being a single gay cis-man and dating. Not only do we learn a lot of terminology that heterosexual men might be unfamiliar with, we also learn the power of gender and race socialization as it impacts the gay cis-man dating scene. Understanding that our work as men is connected to the struggles of all marginalized folks is an essential part of exercising social justice.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 22 - Season 3 Preview
Get a sneak peak at what’s to come in season 3 of Do you even lift, bro? Men exercising social justice!
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 21 - S02 Episode 11: Let’s talk about porn! (Part 2)
Join Jake and Carl as they react to part 1 and talk more about how pornography has impacted their lives. They try to navigate more of the nuances of pornagraphy use amongst men and model how men can engage with each other about the messages that porn conveys about ourselves and others. What is the potential link between pornography and men’s violence? Find out as Jake and Carl work through some of their final thoughts on porn and continue to try and model how men can exercise social justice.
Wed, 06 Jun 2018 - 20 - S02 Episode 10: Let’s talk about porn! (Part 1)
Join Jake and Carl as they conclude season 2 with conversations about pornography. Did you know, according to one free porn website, we consumed 5,246 centuries worth of pornography in 2016 alone? This is a huge topic, and so they brought in Chris Leck from the counseling center to help them out. They talk about everything from the definition of porn, how it’s consumed, how it can be really difficult to study the effects of pornography, and how to seek help if you or someone you care about might be addicted to pornography. Engaging in honestly in difficult conversations about what happens when nobody is watching is a big part of men exercising social justice.
Wed, 06 Jun 2018 - 19 - S02 Episode 9: Jedi vs Sith: Lessons in Masculinities
Join Jake and Carl as they infuse criticisms of masculinities in the philosophies of the Jedi and the Sith. Additionally, they start to make connections to broader systems of oppression in real life through some of the dynamics of the light and dark sides of the force. They talk about how just because you think you’re a good person, doesn’t mean you don’t cause harm. Constantly self-reflecting and critically consuming media is a great way for men to exercise social justice.
Mon, 30 Apr 2018 - 18 - S02 Episode 08: Star Wars and Masculinities
Join Jake and Carl as they discuss how masculinities show up in the Star Wars trilogy. An enormous cultural phenomenon like Star Wars warrants deeper discussion about the messages we receive from these characters. Jake and Carl are joined by Mitch, a self-identified Star Wars geek-nerd and has worked within the field of men and masculinities for about 10 years. Be prepared to take a deeper dive into the Skywalker story arc as Mitch, Jake, and Carl exercise social justice through critical consumption of movies and media.
Mon, 30 Apr 2018 - 17 - S02 Episode 07: In what ways do large unity events come short?
Join Jake and Carl as they react to a unity event hosted at Colorado State University event called CSUnite (for more info: https://firstamendment.colostate.edu/). They span a variety of subjects stemming from that conversation, giving listeners and men an example of how to nuance polarizing subjects. They talk a little bit about internalized dominance and remind themselves that we have to see ourselves in other White, heterosexual, cis-men in order to effectively work with them for positive change. Self-reflection and taking responsibility for the actions of other men is a crucial aspect of men exercising social justice.
Mon, 16 Apr 2018 - 16 - S02 Episode 06: Sexual Assault Awareness Month
Join Jake and Carl as they listen to Colorado State University Students about Sexual Assault Awareness Month. Earlier this month, Jake went out with his friend William and talked to random men on the plaza about their understanding of sexual violence and asking them what comes after awareness. Listen as Carl reacts to what they say in real time. As it turns out, there are many passionate men when it comes to dealing with violence but hesitancy about what to do next. Shouldering the responsibility of awareness and discussing next steps is an important way for men to exercise social justice.
Mon, 16 Apr 2018 - 15 - S02 Episode 05: WTF Aziz??
Join Jake and Carl as they tackle the case of Aziz Ansari. How do men need to be thinking and engaging with this situation? What makes this situation unique and different from other #MeToo stories? Is it even unique? These types of conversations need to be nuanced but clearly survivor centered. And that can be a tough conversation to have. And Jake and Carl have it in this episode. Taking on difficult topics is a great way for men to exercise social justice.
Tue, 10 Apr 2018 - 14 - S02 Episode 04: We gotta talk about men and rejection.
Join Jake and Carl as they talk about the ways we, as men, need to restructure our masculinities with a sense of urgency. People are being harmed and killed because men react to rejection with the only emotion that we’re taught is ok to express: anger. To understand how this happens, Jake and Carl discuss how masculinities as it currently stands creates a foundation of violence. Creating healthy alternatives to express anger and to deal with rejection is a way for men to exercise social justice.
Wed, 04 Apr 2018 - 13 - S02 Episode 3: What’s in a name?
Join Jake and Carl as they outline some things to think about when showing up in social justice spaces. They talk about some of the do’s and don’ts from their experience, and why it’s important for men to show up in critical and humble ways. Joining them is Angelica Murray, the primary organizer for the Feminist Thought & Activism Conference, to talk about an event that is perfect for men to work on what Jake and Carl talk about! Showing up, learning, and contributing are valuable skills to learn for men who want to exercise social justice.
Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 12 - S02 Episode 2: Showing up to social justice places can be scary.
Join Jake and Carl as they outline some things to think about when showing up in social justice spaces. They talk about some of the do’s and don’ts from their experience, and why it’s important for men to show up in critical and humble ways. Joining them is Angelica Murray, the primary organizer for the Feminist Thought & Activism Conference, to talk about an event that is perfect for men to work on what Jake and Carl talk about! Showing up, learning, and contributing are valuable skills to learn for men who want to exercise social justice.
Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 11 - S02 Episode 01: Continuum of Harm? WTF is that?
Join Jake and Carl as they think about the ways in which we harm other people. It’s easy to stand up to grave injustices, but is that enough? Reframing harm as a continuum that spans from the nuances of our language to aggressive male behavior is an important process of men exercising social justice.
Mon, 05 Mar 2018 - 10 - S01 Episode 01: Foundation Episode
In the first episode of “Do You Even Lift, Bro? Men Exercising Social Justice,” Jake and Carl will let you know how they approach conversations around social justice. You will also get to know more about Jake and Carl, about their journey through masculinity, and their quirks. Hopefully you’ll keep this in mind as we move forward to talk about how men can do some of the lifting in social justice.
Thu, 01 Feb 2018 - 9 - S01 Episode 02: Is The “Man Box” Changing?
Join Jake and Carl as they define and talk about the Man Box. They will discuss the ways in which the Man Box shapes and impacts the expectations of men in the United States. Jake and Carl are joined by Xavier Hadley, a student at Colorado State University, to talk about his experiences with the Man Box and what impacts the Man Box has on him and beyond. They will also ask him about his journey through masculinity and some quick rapid fire questions. Understanding what the man box is and how it impacts us is crucial to men exercising social justice.
Thu, 01 Feb 2018 - 8 - S01 Episode 03: How does depression show up in men?
Jake and Carl talk about how depression can impact men differently. They invite Jeff to join them for the discussion. Jeff a counselor at Colorado State University and brings in expert knowledge that helps Jake and Carl figure out how masculinities and depression come together. You’ll learn from Jeff how depression manifests in men and he’ll tell you strategies on addressing depression both for yourself and other people. The National Suicide Hotline number is 1-800-273-8255. Jake and Carl end the episode with Dillon, a student at Colorado State University, about him and his journey through depression. Listen to learn about the ways understanding depression in men is a way for men to exercise social justice.
Thu, 01 Feb 2018 - 7 - S01 Episode 04: What does intimacy and touch have to do with masculinity?
Join Jake and Carl as they think about the ways in which men perform intimacy and how deeply connected it is to oppression and violence. They invite William (who also goes by Will or Willy or any other subset), a Colorado State University student, to talk about his journey through discovering and practicing intimacy. Men understanding and practicing intimacy in one of the more difficult processes for us to exercise social justice.
Thu, 01 Feb 2018 - 6 - S01 Episode 05: Why is Men in the Movement is mostly White men?
Join Jake and Carl as they talk about a consistent theme that comes up in male-centric anti-gender-based violence communities: It’s mostly White men who engage in the work. Jake, as a White man, and Carl, as a man of color, dig into the possible nuances and dynamics that play into the struggles of creating a race-inclusive space that focuses on deconstructing gender and gender-based violence. Understanding the complexities of identity is very important for men to exercise social justice.
Thu, 01 Feb 2018 - 5 - S01 Episode 06: How do video games impact men?
Join Jake and Carl as they explore the ways that their lifetime of playing video games may have impacted their lives as men. They are joined by Thomas, a Colorado State University student and passionate gamer, as he brings in his perspective. They range from talking about their personal experience with video games, their observations of streaming platforms, the different ways that gamers are treated based on their gender, and the culture of gaming as a whole. Knowing where we learn what it means to be men and critically consuming the media we consume is a big part of exercising social justice.
Thu, 01 Feb 2018 - 4 - S01 Episode 7: What is the connection between men and dominating nature?
Join Jake and Carl as they take a dive into the ways in which men dominate nature. Joined by Alex, a Colorado State University PhD Candidate, they find the connection in the ways this concept of wanting to dominate nature is tied to problematic masculinity. Hear Alex’s journey through masculinity and vulnerability as he tells his stories of hiking and rock climbing. Understanding how problematic masculinities manifest is an import aspect of interrupting oppression and exercising social justice.
Thu, 01 Feb 2018 - 3 - S01 Episode 08: Why should we talk about slam poetry?
Join Jake and Carl as they explore masculinity through the prism of slam poetry. Joining them is Christof, a graduate student at Colorado State University. Christof has been writing poetry for almost a decade and recently won a slam competition. He has some great ideas on the ways that poetry factors into men exercising social justice.
Thu, 01 Feb 2018 - 2 - S01 Episode 09: Why do some White dudes want to be Asian?
Join Jake and Carl as they work through the masculine aspects of the way some White men gravitate toward generally eastern Asian cultural beliefs and attitudes. What is it about appropriating “Asian” culture is particularly masculine worthy of being discussed in this podcast? Joining Jake and Carl is Eben, a student at Colorado State University, to pick his brain as a White dude who went through a period of his life of culturally appropriating another racial identity. Understanding the interplay of race and gender is another form or exercising social justice.
Thu, 01 Feb 2018 - 1 - S01 Episode 10: What is “Healthy Masculinity” anyway?
Join Jake and Carl as they find out that defining “healthy masculinity” comes with it’s very own challenges. They decide that the best way to define healthy masculinity is to start with a more familiar phrase, which is toxic masculinity and work backwards from there. It turns out, there’s a ton of different actions, behaviors, and attitudes we can work on today to work toward a healthier expression of our masculinity. Having this kind of conversation and then following through with our actions is a crucial part of exercising social justice.
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