Roots and Refuge Podcast

Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 62 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.

In today's episode I had the pleasure of sitting down to chat with my friend Kelly Brotherton to delve into the profound topic of intentional friendship and womanhood.

As we reflect on a meaningful weekend spent with cherished girlfriends, Kelly and I share insights into the importance of intentional relationships, particularly for women. We explore the value of fostering connections with individuals who possess diverse perspectives and thinking patterns, highlighting the role of diversity of thought for personal growth.

Join us as we discuss the significance of embracing disagreement and conflict within relationships, grounded in a foundation of love and a shared commitment to growth.

Don't miss this insightful conversation that celebrates the transformative power of female friendships and the beauty of forging meaningful connections.

If you'd like to see more from Kelly you can find her at the Better Together Homestead: https://www.youtube.com/@BetterTogetherLife

Thanks for tuning in to the Roots and Refuge Podcast, where we believe in the strength and solidarity found in community. 🌟

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 61 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.

In today's episode I'm sharing my best gardening advice for both new and experienced gardeners alike. Since spring has sprung where I live, and I know it's just around the corner for you northern folks, I thought this was the perfect time of year to give a highlight reel of the key lessons I've learned as a gardener. Whether you're just starting out or you just need a bit of a reminder after years of gardening, these tips are sure to get you excited about this season's potential. 

Firs thing I want to explore is the importance of considering the value of your harvest beyond just dollars. What you grow has a huge impact on how long you stick with it! Why are you growing it? What are your plans for using it when it's ready to harvest?

I also love talking about how I've 'debunked' the companion planting myth in my own garden. Ultimately, if you're planting diversely you'll probably succeed by creating a balanced ecosystem. But don't stress too much about it, balancing your gardens ecosystem is a years long goal that comes from focusing on good stewardship. 

Finally we talk all about the crucial role of soil health and the benefits of feeding and covering your soil to create that balanced ecosystem in your soil that fosters robust plant growth.

Don't miss out on this episode packed with essential gardening wisdom! And be sure to check out the mentioned blog post on how to make compost tea for even more valuable insights.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 60 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.

In today's episode we delve into the unique challenges and joys of raising children in a homesteading environment.

Join me as we explore the fundamental principles of parenting that I have chosen to live by in my family. We address the importance of fostering deep, meaningful relationships within the family. From navigating the complexities of blended family dynamics to instilling a culture of intentionality and respect, we uncover the keys to nurturing thriving relationships with our children.

Discover how homesteading offers a rich tapestry for cultivating resilience, work ethic, and mutual respect within the family unit. Learn valuable insights on communication, trust, and the power of modeling love and grace in parenting.

So, tune in to this insightful episode as we journey through the heart of parenting on the homestead and uncover the transformative power of building strong family bonds. Thanks for joining us on the Roots and Refuge Podcast!

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 59 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.

In today's episode we're delving into the modern resurgence of traditional skills and the invaluable wisdom passed down through generations.

Join us as we explore the concept of "Granny Skills", embracing the old ways of doing things that prioritize quality, sustainability, and resourcefulness over convenience and consumerism. From honing our kitchen skills like cooking from scratch and preserving food to mastering the art of making do and caring for our things, we uncover together the richness found in traditional practices.

Discover the power of Granny Skills in fostering a mindset of resilience, creativity, and self-reliance. Learn how embracing these time-honored practices not only enriches our lives but also nurtures future generations by passing down essential knowledge and skills.

So, I hope you enjoy this episode as we journey back to the wisdom of our elders and rediscover the wealth of Granny Skills in today's modern world. Thanks for joining us on the Roots and Refuge Podcast!

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 58 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.

That's not a typo in the title. That's right, MINE your elders. We will get to that at the end. I invited a local fellow homesteader on the podcast this week. Her name is JeriLynn and she's been growing food as long as I've been alive. I met her through Facebook and attended a local meet-up she was hosting. We had a few great conversations and I felt like she'd be a great person to have share her homesteading wisdom and story. Do you realize the importance of mining your elders?

In this episode we delve into the invaluable wisdom of homesteading shared by our special guest, JeriLynn, who has been growing food for as long as many of us can remember. JeriLynn's journey into homesteading began in 1986, and her wealth of experience spans decades, offering unique insights into the challenges and joys of this lifestyle.

We explore the benefits of homeschooling, particularly in cultivating independence and critical thinking skills in children. JeriLynn shares how the homesteading life isn't just about hard work; it's about embracing challenges as opportunities for growth, regardless of age or circumstances.

Despite common misconceptions, JeriLynn emphasizes that you're never too old to start homesteading. With determination, resourcefulness, and a willingness to learn, anyone can embark on this fulfilling journey, adapting to life's changes along the way.

From preparing food for large families to navigating life transitions, JeriLynn offers practical advice on preparedness and the true meaning of wealth. As she wisely puts it, wealth encompasses more than just financial assets—it includes health, relationships, and knowledge, all of which are invaluable on the homesteading path.

So, join us as we mine the treasure trove of wisdom from our elders and discover the richness that comes from embracing the homesteading lifestyle.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 57 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.

As spring starts to bloom here at Roots and Refuge Farm in South Carolina, I'm reminded of the cyclical nature of the homesteading life, particularly the "hungry months" at the end of winter when pantry stores from last season are low and the new harvest hasn't yet begun. Despite the challenges, I find comfort in the familiarity of the seasons after 10 years on the farm.

Homesteading has evolved over the years, from being considered unconventional to becoming more mainstream. However, the recent pandemic significantly highlighted the flaws in our food system and the importance of self-reliance and small farm resilience. As our society prioritizes convenience over quality and locality, there's a growing awakening to the need for local food resources and community support.

In the face of uncertainty, homesteading offers a path towards conscious consumption, sustainability, and reverence for the beauty of life. It's about living lightly on the land, seeking sustainability, and embracing the slow living mindset. Through mindful relationship with the earth and each other, we can improve our quality of life and build resilience against fragile systems.

Embracing the homesteading life means choosing hard work over ease, embracing inconvenience, and prioritizing creation over consumption. It's about recognizing the value of restriction and finding freedom in mindful consumption. As we navigate the challenges of modern life, I find solace in the resiliency that comes from the homesteading mindset, especially during the hungry months of March.

Join me as we explore the transformative power of homesteading and the resilience it cultivates in our lives. Thanks for tuning in to another episode of the Roots and Refuge Podcast!

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 56 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.

Get ready to geek out about goats with me and my friend Cass from Semojo Homestead in today's exciting episode!

We've welcomed goats back to Roots and Refuge Farm, and the excitement is palpable. Together, Cass and I are diving deep into the world of goats to answer a question we often hear: "Are goats for me and my farm?"

Cass shares her own journey with goats, which began five years ago when her family decided to add them to their homestead. From the benefits of goats' milk to the secondary advantages of goat ownership, we'll explore why goats might be the perfect addition to your farm or homestead.

We'll discuss the importance of the kind of land you have for goats, the unique qualities of goats' milk (including A2A2 milk), and the various products you can make from goat's milk, such as cheese, yogurt, and soap.

Choosing the right breed is crucial, and we'll delve into the different personalities and traits of various goat breeds, from Nigerian dwarves to full-size goats. Plus, we'll explore the friendly and affectionate nature of goats, which can make them wonderful companions on the homestead.

But it's not all fun and games – we'll also cover practical considerations like hoof trimming, parasite resistance, and the need for a dry lot to prevent parasite issues.

Ultimately, having a home dairy with goats can bring a sense of freedom and joy, as you enjoy the superior quality of fresh goat's milk compared to store-bought dairy.

So if you've ever wondered if goats are right for you, tune in to learn everything you need to know about adding these charming creatures to your homestead.

And be sure to check out Cass's channel, Semojo Homestead, on YouTube for more insights into homesteading and goatkeeping. You can also join their Homesteading from Scratch Facebook Group to learn more about their farm life. 

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 55 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.

As spring approaches and the farm springs back to life, it can feel like we're climbing that first hill on a roller coaster ride, just waiting for that stomach drop and lurching wild ride that is exciting, but also oh so overwhelming. With this looming threat of overwhelm on the horizon, I'm here to share strategies for navigating life with awareness and purpose.

Join me as we explore the importance of setting balanced and reasonable goals, embracing mindfulness as a tool for managing overwhelm, and creating a life that aligns with our deepest values and desires.

I'll share insights into my own journey of transitioning from a hectic, overwhelmed lifestyle to one characterized by intention and grace. By making a five-year plan with realistic expectations and intentional goals, we can ensure that we're using our resources wisely and building sustainable habits for the future.

We'll discuss the power of dreaming big and planning for projects, spaces, and skills that align with our long-term vision. And we'll explore practical strategies for prioritizing our goals, creating sustainable routines, and letting go of things that no longer serve us.

Remember, mindset matters. By taking responsibility for our choices and focusing on what's within our control, we can cultivate a life that's intentional, fulfilling, and full of purpose.

So let's embrace life on purpose together, one intentional step at a time. Tune in to discover how you can live a more intentional life and achieve your long-term goals with grace and intention.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 54 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.

Today, I'm thrilled to have my friend Jeremy from Semojo Homestead joining me to dive into the fascinating world of garden design. With his background in landscape architecture and experience in designing and installing gardens, Jeremy brings a wealth of knowledge and insights to our conversation.

Together, we'll explore the importance of creating intentional spaces in your garden and share practical tips for bringing your vision to life. Jeremy and I will discuss everything from setting goals for your space to utilizing the resources you have available to transform your garden into a beautiful and functional oasis.

We'll delve into the concept of "rooms" within the garden, discussing how to define entry points, incorporate tall plants for privacy, and create focal points like bean teepees to enhance the overall design.

Throughout our discussion, we'll emphasize the importance of thoughtful design choices, considering factors like texture, sound, and aesthetics to create a harmonious and inviting outdoor environment.

From ornamental gardens to productive vegetable patches, we'll explore the balance between perennial non-edible landscaping and annual vegetable gardening, offering insights into creating spaces that reflect your unique preferences and lifestyle.

And on a deeper note, we'll touch on the significance of fostering relationships with people who may have different perspectives, highlighting the value of diversity and connection in both gardening and life.

Be sure to check out Jeremy and Cass's YouTube channel, Semojo Homestead, and their Facebook group, Homesteading from Scratch, for more inspiration and practical tips on homesteading and garden design.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 53 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast, and Happy Valentines Day 💗

Today's episode is all about cultivating beauty in your garden and the profound impact it can have on your gardening journey. Join me as we explore the philosophy of growing beautiful things to stay motivated and inspired in your gardening endeavors. We'll discuss the importance of recognizing that there are countless "right" ways to garden, emphasizing the value of learning and growing as a gardener along the way.

I'll share more about my personal garden philosophy, which centers around creating an ecosystem and fostering relationships between all living things in the garden, including the soil, plants, and the land itself. We'll delve into the significance of fostering deep, engaged relationships in the garden, moving beyond transactional interactions to truly connect with the natural world around us.

During this conversation, we'll reflect on the profound benefits that gardens offer beyond mere food production. From experiencing the therapeutic presence of the garden to the joy of growing something unique and valuable, we'll explore the multifaceted rewards of tending to a garden.

I'll also share insights into nurturing healthy soil and my approach to feeding and enriching the soil ecosystem. Plus, we'll discuss the importance of diversity in the garden, mimicking nature to enhance resilience.

Ultimately, we'll explore how cultivating beauty and fostering deep relationships in the garden can enrich our lives, offering strength, beauty, and health that extends far beyond the garden gate.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 52 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.

In this episode, join me for a life catch-up where I share about the importance to me of transparently sharing our story and being truthful about life. I delve into the early days of my relationship with Jeremiah, sharing some of the challenges we had to overcome together. We explore our dreams, past and present. We also discuss how we make decisions as a team. 

Dive into the conversation about the significance of dreaming wild and big dreams based on the true desires of our hearts. Remember, dreams are not linear, but they are a beautiful and lovely thing. I reflect on appreciating the slow and long process of dreams coming true, emphasizing gratitude and intentionality as the bedrocks of our lives.

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Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 51 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.

Don't let the title fool you; this isn't a scary talk. I love to challenge myself and grow. I'm always looking for ways to make steps towards better. Today, I'm talking about what it actually looks like to grow your own food sustainably. What does it really look like? Can we honestly assess our dependence and think about it practically?

In today's podcast, we delve into the resources it can take to become self-sufficient and the importance of being a long-term thinker.

We also explore the reality of cultural roadblocks to living a homesteading life and we trace the origins of the sustainability or back-to-the-land movement. Today you'll also gain insight into the historical context of my interest in food growing self-sufficiency and the wisdom of learning from human history.

We touch on worst-case scenario thinking, envisioning what a sustainable chicken operation could look like on our farm, and exploring the details of a sustainable beef, dairy, & pork operation. We emphasize responsible stewardship, discuss the concept of community sufficiency vs. self-sufficiency, and share thoughts on sustainable gardening, including improving soil health. Ultimately, we're here today to reflect on symbiotic relationships, doing what we can where we are, and regoznizing that there is good, better, and best in everything we do. You'll also discover my next goal to learn to be more sustainable in our household.

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Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 50 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.  

In today's podcast I'm excited to talk about getting back into the garden for 2024. I talk about my strategy of waiting until after the holidays to begin my garden planning, seed shopping, and general dreaming for my favorite season of all. Planning the garden is easily my favorite part of the dreary winter season, so listen along to hear my thought process and to talk about why it's so important to deeply understand WHY you are gardening!

In this episode, I also share with you my earliest memories of gardening when I was younger, and the unfortunate sad story of my first attempt at gardening. I am glad to share that I didn't give up after that challenge, and I am still here to share the rest of my gardening journey with you today. Becoming a gardner has had a profound impact on me and my whole life. I hope you'll join me in learning to become a gardner together! 

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Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 49 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.  

In todays podcast I’m speaking specifically to the homemakers, stay at home moms, and all of you raising your children and balancing life, who might feel overwhelmed or exhausted.

I’m opening up about both the struggles and the joys I’ve experienced in my own journey of motherhood and homemaking, as well as the experiences and lessons I’ve learned over the years that have helped me really become intentional about my heart towards raising my children and keeping my home.

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Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 48 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.  

The past few weeks I've talked about creating Hygge, having intentional downtime, and putting off the garden planning for another day. 

I’m diving into the conversation around traditions and building legacy in today's podcast. I was blessed to glean so much from my grandmother, who passed away 15 years ago. She was one of those matriarchs that knew how to create an atmosphere. I strive to pass along that same splendor to my family by cultivating and creating an experience that I also get to share in.

Giving is something that I’ve felt passionate about since I was in middle school (and I’ll share that story with you in today’s podcast). But giving and building tradition doesn’t have to be complicated or extravagant. 

Traditions are created by a person who cares to establish them. Once my grandmother passed away, I decided I was going to be that person. 

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Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 46 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast.  

In today’s episode I’m sharing the importance of the balance of rest. Living on a homestead and living this lifestyle can wear you out, quick! Especially if you’re not being conscious of how hard you’re working, as well as how intentional you are about rest. 

Learn to take care of yourself instead of your body forcing you to do so (like I had to learn from). 

Links mentioned in this episode:

The Hard and Worthy Work of Homesteading

Check out past episodes of the podcast on the website.

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Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 45 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

It’s official, the frost has come, and the summer is finally gone. For many people, this is a time of year that brings with it seasonal depression. In my life, I’ve experienced deeper levels of SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder), however, I’ve found ways to embrace these slower months and cultivate cozy. 

There’s a concept that comes from the Danish culture called Hygge. It’s defined as “a quality of coziness and comfortable conviviality that engenders a feeling of contentment or well-being (regarded as a defining characteristic of Danish culture).”

In this episode, I’m sharing some of the tips I’ve used over the years to help cultivate cozy and get through the dark, sunless winter months. 

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Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 43 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

Though I generally focus on sharing all things homesteading, food growing, gardening, raising animals, as well as using food (enjoying it, preserving it and sharing it), today's podcast is largely about the mindful relationship with the earth and each other.

The theme of anything that I do... at least I hope, is to be mindful. To make conscious choices in consumption, interaction and engagement.

I don't want to waste my one and only life, and that's what I hope to share today.

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Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 42 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

This life can be a journey that's both exhilarating and frustrating. We want to learn all the new things and go to the deepest depths possible (but it always goes deeper), all the while never forgetting just how far we've come and being proud of the changes we've made over the days, months and years.

I hope this podcast can be an encouragement to you to continue on, keep pushing forward, but always remembering where you've come from.

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Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 41 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

I’m back with an all-new podcast today, and I have a special guest in the studio with me. Chrissy Marsh, from The Hope Homestead, is with me today to discuss her journey from homesteading in Australia to now homesteading in America. 

She and I have many commonalities that started us on our path of a more natural lifestyle, which ultimately led us both to homesteading. Come listen to her journey of acclimating to the U.S. and the differences she’s noticed.  

For more information and any links mentioned, visit the blog post here. Or, to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes and monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), visit our Patreon Page.

Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 40 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

If talking about feelings and obscure things isn't your jam, I encourage you to hang with me for just a minute. In today's podcast, I’m sharing a bit of my own mindset and how I experience wonder on a daily basis. Living life with my eyes open to the beautiful world around me. Though it’s not always easy, and I’m still a work in progress, I think it’s something that’s so important, especially in regards to the relationships around us.  

For more information and any links mentioned, visit the blog post here. Or to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes, monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), and to be entered into a drawing to win a trip to Roots and Refuge farm, visit our Patreon Page.

Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 39 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. This is a very special episode, as I have Miah’s Nana with us today. We actually recorded this in December 2022, and I thought I had lost the audio files. You’ll never know how thankful I was when I came across it the other day, and I know many of you have been looking forward to listening to this episode as much as I have been to share it. 

Join me and Nana as we discuss what it was like for her growing up in Newfoundland vs. what it’s like for today's generation (spoiler alert, it's MUCH different than we're used to). 

For more information and any links mentioned, visit the blog post here. Or to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes, monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), and to be entered into a drawing to win a trip to Roots and Refuge farm, visit our Patreon Page.

Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 38 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In this podcast, I’m discussing the necessity and importance of accepting differences and embracing diversity in the homesteading community. I’m sharing how I haven’t been showing up 100% as my authentic self and how that’s affected me over the past few years. 

I’m also sharing what I’m doing about it now and how I’m speaking back against those who made me make this decision. 

For more information and any links mentioned (or to watch the YouTube video on a similar topic), visit the blog post here. Or to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes, monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), and to be entered into a drawing to win a trip to Roots and Refuge farm, visit our Patreon Page.

Hey, y'all! Join me for episode 36 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. Today I have Leah from Homestead-ish with me, and we’re discussing what it looks like to embrace uncomfortable. 

Both Leah and I know deeply that there’s something profound when following our own path, even when those around us are following a different path. Following God’s guidance can come with sacrifices, but when you know you're where God wants you to be, those sacrifices don't seem as big. 

I hope you find today’s episode encouraging wherever you find yourself on your journey.

For more information and any links mentioned, visit the blog post here. Or to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes, monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), and to be entered into a drawing to win a trip to Roots and Refuge farm, visit our Patreon Page.

Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 35 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

Daniel is back, joining me on the podcast today as we discuss creativity and how it goes hand in hand with our lives. We are all image-bearers of our Creator in our own unique way. I hope you find this podcast encouraging to embrace your creativity and let it loose in whatever way that looks.

For more information and any links mentioned, visit the blog post here. Or to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes, monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), and to be entered into a drawing to win a trip to Roots and Refuge farm, visit our Patreon Page.

I am very much a dreamer that is living in extraordinary fulfillment of some of the dreams that, at one point, were completely impossible for me.

Because of this, I’m much braver now than I was before.

I believe when we share our story, it's like opening up the fruit of that dream and sharing the seeds with someone else. We can say this was sown in the garden of my heart and grew in my life, and it actually produced something. Let me share it with you!

Join me for today’s podcast (episode #34), which was recorded the day after roasting our first batch of coffee at Beulah Roasting Co.

For more information and any links mentioned, visit the blog post here. Or to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes, monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), and to be entered into a drawing to win a trip to Roots and Refuge farm, visit our Patreon Page.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 33 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

Join me for a very special episode with my dear “family friend” Daniel. We’re discussing his journey to Beulah, how God has moved in his life over the years, as well as the special place he has in our life. 

For more information and any links mentioned, visit the blog post here. Or to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes, monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), and to be entered into a drawing to win a trip to Roots and Refuge farm, visit our Patreon Page.

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For past podcast episodes, visit the podcast page on our website, Roots and Refuge.

Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 30 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In today’s episode, Miah and I are discussing the art of hosting well. Beyond just the art of it, we’re discussing why it’s important, especially as homesteaders. 

I’ll be the first one to say that hosting isn’t easy. It doesn’t come naturally to me, and there are some times when I’d rather not and just curl up at home alone. But there are so many benefits of hosting, including building relationships and community. 

We hope you enjoy today’s episode and are encouraged to begin (or continue) hosting people yourself.

For more information and any links mentioned, visit the blog post here. Or to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes, monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), and to be entered into a drawing to win a trip to Roots and Refuge farm, visit our Patreon Page.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 29 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In today’s episode, I’m speaking to those of you who have ever experienced seasons of overwhelm. These words are words to myself and a reminder that these seasons come and go. In this podcast, I share how to recognize these seasons of overwhelm and what to do about them when they come.

For more information and any links mentioned, visit the blog post here. Or to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes, monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), and to be entered into a drawing to win a trip to Roots and Refuge farm, visit our Patreon Page.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 28 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In today’s episode, I’m talking about my favorite topic, once again… homesteading! The reasons why different people get into homesteading vary greatly. While my reasons may not be your reasons, I think there are oftentimes many commonalities between those who do step into this journey. Let me share my “why” with you in hopes you find some encouragement along the way.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 27 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In today’s episode, I’m discussing the home dairy. What dairy animal is best for your specific circumstances, what variables go into deciding which dairy animal to choose, and the basic information everyone should know before bringing home a dairy animal. These are the tips I wish I would have known before bringing home our eight dairy goats years ago! 

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 26 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In today’s episode, I’m chatting with Lisa from Homesteading and Hungry. We’re discussing all things homesteading, from being new to the homestead lifestyle and the unexpected things we had to get used to, to learning how to utilize the ingredients we're growing or raising on the farm and turning them into a meal. 

You'll love listening to my chat with Lisa as much as I loved our visit. She's one of a kind and doing a great thing in sharing her and her husband's journey as new homesteaders here in South Carolina. 

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 25 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In today’s episode, join me for the audio version of a video I published on YouTube back in 2022. The background sound you will hear is of me sitting on the porch, shelling peas, as I share the areas I think are most important to begin preparing for now. I’m also sharing why I don’t prepare out of fear but out of faith. 

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 23 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In today’s episode, I’m talking about getting prepared to share at The Homestead Festival at Rory Feek's farm Hardison Mill. It never fails, every time I get prepared to go speak at one of these events, the “imposter system” creeps in. Because I know I'm probably not alone in this feeling, I'm sharing how I stop my mindset, refocus my heart, and realize that there’s intention in how I’m living, how we’re living, and that’s huge! We’re actively changing culture, and that’s a victory.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode 22 of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In today’s episode, I’m sharing a YouTube devotional throwback in podcast form. The original video is called “What's that in your hand? (Responding to the Alarm).” The truth remains that there's no better time than now to look at what's in your hand, then ask yourself what you can do with what you already have.

It's so easy to look at what others are doing or what others have and become discontent with where we are, but that's the last thing the Lord wants for us. Let’s all be like Moses and use the "staff" that's in our hands to do great things right where we are! 

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode twenty of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In today’s episode, we’ve got Wil Kunkle back with us from Honeybee Hollow Gardens, and we’re talking about all things gardening and homesteading. You never know what topics we’ll discuss when we get together, that’s the beauty of having a friend who might just love gardening more than you! 

Come join us for this podcast as we discuss all the garden musings and just have a great conversation. For more information and any links mentioned, visit the blog post here. Or to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes, monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), and to be entered into a drawing to win a trip to Roots and Refuge farm, visit our Patreon Page.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode nineteen of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In today’s episode, we’re talking about growing our own food. So many of us want to fill our pantry with homegrown, home-preserved food, and there seems to be this pressure to do so, especially in this homesteading space. But is that always necessary? What about those items we can’t grow, or aren’t currently growing enough of for our family for a year?

Come join me as I discuss my opinions on growing your own food (it might surprise you!). For more information and any links mentioned, visit the blog post here. Or to join our Patreon to get early access to all our podcast episodes, monthly live Q&As with Miah and me (including past lives), and to be entered into a drawing to win a trip to Roots and Refuge farm, visit our Patreon Page.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode eighteen of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

In today’s episode, I’m diving deep into the importance of the hard and worthy work of homesteading. I will never tell you this life isn’t for you, but I also won’t lie and tell you it's without its hardships.

This life is beautiful, will push you beyond your limits, will open your eyes to what you’re capable of and is full of more rewards than I can count.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode seventeen of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

This week is a throwback to a YouTube video I recorded back in March of 2022 on the urgency to grow food. I thought it was an important topic, enough so that I wanted it to be published in my podcasts. If you caught this video, perhaps this is a great reminder of the why behind what we do.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode sixteen of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

Today’s episode is all about learning how to deal with loss on the farm. Death and dying on the homestead is an inevitability. Where there is livestock, there will be dead stock. I don't say this to be harsh, but I wish someone had prepared me better for this life before I jumped in with both feet.

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode fifteen of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. 

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode fourteen of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. Today Miah is back with me on the podcast and we're answering some previously asked questions all about home life and our family. 

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Hey, y'all! Welcome to episode thirteen of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. Today I’m going to be answering the question, "What is a homesteader?"

Homesteading looks different for all of us and we're all at different stages in our journey. I have a very deep-rooted belief that we can all turn our waiting room into a classroom.

This can apply to anything! If you have a dream in your heart, the very best way you can steward that dream and that promise is to do everything within your capacity, where you are, to receive the fulfillment of that promise.

Don't give up when it gets hard, or when mistakes are made. That will come, it's inevitable with growth.

Please, just know that I am proud of you, I am rooting for you, and I am here for you, cheering you along each step of your journey!

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Welcome to episode twelve of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. Today I’m going to be taking a deep dive into raising backyard egg-laying chickens. I know this is a pretty introductory topic, however, I have heard so many new people entering into this homesteading lifestyle lately, and backyard chickens are their entry point, so I want to be sure it's covered well. 

As you know, my love of homesteading started at a very young age, and I did a lot of research before I even began my actual adventures. Egg-laying chickens were something I read up on a lot, and truth be told, the information I found made starting seem daunting. 

It’s my desire to share my experiences and make this lifestyle very approachable to those just entering in. So sit back and enjoy this podcast as I chat all about raising egg-laying chickens.

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Welcome to episode eleven of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. If you're new here, I'm so glad you're here. And if you've been with us for a while, I'm so glad you're here, too, thanks for coming back!

Today I'm excited to welcome Jesse Bickley from Willow Brook Homestead to the Roots and Refuge Podcast. Come join us as we discuss what it's like to build a homestead from scratch, how to stay motivated (while not letting fear be the motivator), and knowing how to continue moving forward, one step at a time while remembering to run your OWN race.

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Welcome to episode ten of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. If you're new here, I'm so glad you're here. And if you've been with us for a while, I'm so glad you're here, too, thanks for coming back!

I love food. In the healthiest way. It's not my main source of comfort, though it is comforting. It's not my main source of joy, though I do find joy in it. It's not something I feel enslaved to at all, though I'm very thankful for the freedom it gives me. 

It's for the love of food that I do so much of what I do. I hope, in this episode, you find yourself inspired to start making the change toward sourcing locally grown food and increasing how much you grow.

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Welcome to episode nine of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. If you're new here, I'm so glad you're here. And if you've been with us for a while, I'm so glad you're here, too, thanks for coming back!

Today I have a special guest on the podcast. Many of you might know him from some of my YouTube videos, it's Mr. Wil Kunkle from Honeybee Hollow Gardens. In today's podcast, we'll be discussing the basics of permaculture and how you can change the small things in your life right now to start creating a better tomorrow.

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Welcome to episode eight of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. If you're new here, I'm so glad you're here. And if you've been with us for a while, I'm so glad you're here, too, thanks for coming back!

This is the third podcast in a series of questions and answers where we're answering your questions based on various topics you all asked on social media. Today's podcast is all about the garden. 

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Welcome to episode seven of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. If you're new here, I'm so glad you're here. And if you've been with us for a while, I'm so glad you're here, too, thanks for coming back!

This is a topic that’s been on my heart for a while now, and I wanted to discuss it on today’s podcast. Today’s episode is all about the importance of community sufficiency. What it is, why we need it, and how to foster it. So grab a mug of something delicious and come hang out with me for a spell.

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Welcome to episode six of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. If you're new here, I'm so glad you're here. And if you've been with us for a while, I'm so glad you're here, too, thanks for coming back!

This is the second podcast in a series of questions and answers where we're answering your questions based on various topics you all asked on social media. Today's podcast is all about content creation and business. You may think this doesn't pertain to you, and it may not completely, but I encourage you to listen in anyway because there are still some valuable nuggets of truth tucked in here and there that we can all glean from.

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Welcome to episode five of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. If you're new here, I'm so glad you're here. And if you've been with us for a while, I'm so glad you're here, too!

This is the first in a series of questions and answers where we're answering your questions based on various topics you all asked on social media. Today is the homestead edition, which is why Miah is joining me on the podcast. This is his area of expertise, and I'm glad to have him here.

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Welcome to episode four of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. If you're new here, I'm so glad you're here. And if you've been with us for a while, I'm so glad you're here, too!

In this week's episode, Miah and I are sharing the mistakes we've made over the years. This homesteading journey is no joke, and there are ebbs and flows that come along with it. If we can share our story (and our mistakes) to help you learn from them, then we're happy to do so. 

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Welcome to episode three of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. If you're new here, I'm so glad you're here. And if you've been with us for a while, I'm so glad you're here, too!

In this week's episode, Sweet Miah is joining me as we discuss our five-year vision for Roots and Refuge Farm. There's so much that goes into a vision and plans, so we want to invite you all into the conversation to hear about it all. 

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Welcome to episode two of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. If you're new here, I'm so glad you're here. And if you've been with us for a while, I'm so glad you're here, too!

One of the unique things about being a content creator is that I'm much more exposed to the outside world than I ever was before I started doing YouTube.

I hear stories from people all over the world that help encourage me, open my eyes, and give me hope. But on the flip side, I also have to be sure to take a break from social media from time to time as there's also a dark side to it all. The opinions, judgment, and overall loud voices of others can be great and positive, but they can also bring weariness. So there's a unique balance that must be struck in it all. 

Join me in this podcast as I discuss what it's like being a content creator as well as what a modern homesteader means to me. For more information, visit the accompanying blog post to this podcast here.

Welcome to the first episode of the Roots and Refuge Podcast. I'm so glad you're here, and I hope you'll stick around for a while. In this episode, you'll hear about our journey from Arkansas to the midlands of South Carolina and how we ended up where we are today. 

To get early access to our podcast and get our monthly lives, plus be entered into a drawing for a trip to visit our farm, visit our Patreon page here. You can also visit our blog Roots and Refuge, where you can find all our podcast episodes as well as hundreds of blog posts, recipes, tutorials and other helpful articles, all to inspire your journey.

Like I always say, turn your waiting room into a classroom. I desire that all our content, whether videos, blog posts and now podcasts, will help inspire you to do just that. Learn in the waiting and do in the doing.