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The Trial
The Trial goes behind the headlines of some of the biggest trials in the world. We take you into the courtroom, bringing you the detail as the evidence unfolds, examining key moments and carrying out exclusive interviews with detectives, victims, and experts.
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- 386 - Kenneth Law: Poison In The Post
In October 2021, David Parfett tragically found his son, Tom, dead in a hotel room in Surrey. Tom was just 22 years old.
David was determined to find the truth behind his son’s death. He followed Tom’s digital footprint and made a shocking discovery.
A man called Kenneth Law had set up an online company to exploit vulnerable people suffering from mental illness. He helped them take their own lives by sending them poison through the post.
David soon discovered that Tom wasn’t the only person to have received the lethal substance. Law had sent more than 1,200 packages to 40 countries around the world.
With the help of a journalist, David tracked down Law and confronted him about his crimes. Law was then arrested in Canada and formally admitted to causing the deaths of 73 victims from England and Wales. However, following a plea deal, Law pleaded guilty to 14 counts of aiding and abetting suicide in Canada.
In this episode, we hear from some of the victims’ families at the Supreme Court of Ontario, where a hearing took place last week. More than 50 relatives of Canadian and British victims gave incredibly moving statements to the judge.
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Caroline and Liz speak to David about tracking down Law and the impact his horrific actions had on his family.
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Tue, 29 Sep 2026 - 47min - 385 - Rape Courts: Will They Make A Difference?
Can new government measures really improve the experience of rape victims in the criminal justice system? With thousands of rape and sexual assault cases waiting to reach court, ministers are promising dedicated courtrooms, fixed trial dates and more support for victims.
In this episode, Liz speaks to senior barrister Mary Prior KC about whether the proposals can make a meaningful difference. Mary explains why delays are so damaging for both victims and those accused, the practical problems facing courts across England and Wales, and why she believes much more investment is needed to fix a system struggling under years of pressure.
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Tue, 22 Sep 2026 - 32min - 384 - Lucy Letby, The Inquiry: Babies Should Not Have Died
We now know for certain, babies should not have died at the Countess of Chester Hospital. In her scathing report into the failings which allowed Lucy Letby to harm babies for months, Lady Justice Thirlwall said three babies should not have died and seven more should not have been harmed. In her scathing report she condemned a fundamental lack of understanding of basic safeguarding regulations, a “tribal” approach from nurses, and an “exercise in spin” from senior leaders to delay police being called in to investigate. She also said the parents of the babies were treated reprehensibly. In this episode Caroline and Liz have her key findings and her urgent recommendations.
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Tue, 15 Sep 2026 - 54min - 383 - Lucy Letby, The Inquiry: The Hospital’s Day of Reckoning
Could Lucy Letby have been stopped sooner? Could babies have been saved? Was there an orchestrated hospital cover up? Were parents consistently lied to? Did a toxic hospital culture allow a serial killer to remain undetected for months?
Today Lady Justice Thirlwall is likely to answer these questions and more when she publishes her long-awaited report into the failings at the Countess of Chester Hospital.
In this bonus episode Caroline and Liz dissect the key moments from the seven month inquiry as they prepare to read her findings.
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Tue, 15 Sep 2026 - 1h 00min - 382 - Chris Brain: The Priest, The Cult, The Trial
Today on the podcast Caroline and Ryan have the extraordinary allegations against a Church of England Priest, who ran what's been called a "cult" service to abuse his female "disciples". Chris Brain admits having sexual relations with worshippers at the infamous Nine O'Clock Service in Sheffield in the 1980s and 1990s, but he's now accused of criminal offences. The allegation is the women he targeted were so vulnerable, isolated and frightened that they did not have the capacity to consent.
Also today, Caroline chats to Liz about the imminent report by Lady Justice Thirlwall into the crimes of Lucy Letby.
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Tue, 08 Sep 2026 - 42min - 381 - Who cares about the Jury?
Does the law need to change in order to better protect jurors?
That is what the House of Lords is now considering. Long-established laws means members of a jury are not allowed to discuss a case with anyone during a trial. And even after a trial is finished, what they can say about what they have seen and heard is limited. But it's now recognised that the evidence in many cases is traumatising and jurors need more help. But that would mean amending the law and that is what a new inquiry is looking into this week.
In this episode Caroline chats to Doctor Hannah Fawcett about her work on the wellbeing of jurors and what she wants to see the inquiry recommend.
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Tue, 01 Sep 2026 - 35min - 380 - Christopher Phillips: Did a Grief Disorder lead to a Prison Sentence?
60-year-old Christopher Phillips kept his mother’s body in a freezer for almost three years, talking to her about her favourite television programmes and holding her hand as if she were still alive. A court heard that he was suffering from a little-known mental health condition called Prolonged Grief Disorder. But he also kept collecting her pension money - and he's now been sent to prison.
In this episode, Liz speaks to Dr Michael Duffy, a psychotherapist and specialist in trauma therapy, about what happens when grief becomes prolonged and overwhelming. They discuss Christopher Phillips’s unusual case, how the condition differs from normal grief and depression, why it can be missed by doctors, and whether a better understanding of Prolonged Grief Disorder could have prevented his grief from spiralling into crime.
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Tue, 25 Aug 2026 - 26min - 379 - Jools Sweeney: The Continued Search for Answers
In this episode Liz speaks to Ellen Roome, the mum who has spent the past four years fighting for answers about the tragic death of her 14-year-old son Jools. After an inquest that lasted just 23 minutes and failed to properly examine his phone or social media activity, Ellen has now succeeded in getting the original verdict quashed by the High Court and a new inquest opened.
Ellen tells Liz why she believes social media could hold the key to understanding what happened to Jools, how her campaign has helped change the law, and why she is continuing to push for stronger protections for children online.
She also gives an update on the legal action she and other bereaved parents are taking against TikTok in the US.
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Tue, 18 Aug 2026 - 26min - 378 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - "A Threat To All Women"
Simon Levy will never be released from prison. A judge today decided his crimes against three women were so horrific, so depraved, that he should spend the rest of his life behind bars.
In this episode, Liz and Nick have all the details from an emotional day at the Old Bailey, including the words of Sheryl Wilkins’ mum Mary and sister Lindsay, and Carmenza Valencia-Trujillo’s daughter Nazly. They also hear from Levy’s surviving victim, who told the court he had taken away her soul and her dignity. But as those women described the devastation his crimes had caused, Simon Levy sat emotionless in the dock.
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Wed, 12 Aug 2026 - 22min - 377 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - It was Predictable
In this episode Emeritus Professor of Criminology David Wilson tells Caroline that Simon Levy was a textbook sexual predator who should have never slipped through the net. He says the way Levy was attacking women on the tube always had the potential to escalate to rape and to murder and until all men are more willing to stand up and call out predatory behaviour, the danger men like Simon Levy pose will continue to be underestimated.
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Tue, 11 Aug 2026 - 32min - 376 - NEW TRIAL: Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator
Caroline and Nick are back with a new series following the trial of Simon Levy, a convicted serial sexual predator now accused of rape and murder. Prosecutors allege he targeted vulnerable women. Two were allegedly murdered and one survived being alleged raped and suffocated. He denies all the charges, and Trial UK will be at the Old Bailey covering every day of the case.
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Mon, 29 Jun 2026 - 1min - 375 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - Verdict: Betrayed
Simon Levy has just been convicted of murdering two women and of raping a third. After hearing six weeks of evidence the jury at the Old Bailey decided his crimes did escalate, from serial sexual assault in public places to rape and murder. But we can know now he should and could have been stopped sooner. In this episode Caroline and Nick have all the details from the case including the catastrophic failures which allowed him to remain free for months. Failures of two police forces, the Crown Prosecution Service, and the courts. And we ask the question: Is violence against women and girls ever going to be taken seriously?
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Fri, 07 Aug 2026 - 36min - 374 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - “This prosecution does not stand up”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the final stages of this trial before the jury start to consider their verdicts. It’s the last opportunity for the barristers to persuade the jury of their arguments. On behalf of Simon Levy, the jury were told no crimes took place, the first alleged victim was not raped and the two dead women were not murdered - they died from drug use. Conversely the prosecution told the jury Simon Levy is a sexual predator, a dangerous man who has a fascination with rape and murder. The final decision on the verdicts in this case rests with the jury.
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Tue, 04 Aug 2026 - 18min - 373 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - "Bare-Faced Liar"
In this episode Caroline and Nick bring you the latest from the Old Bailey as the jury hear the final closing speech from the prosecution before they retire to consider their verdicts. Prosecutor Tom Little KC described Simon Levy as a "bare-faced liar", telling the jury his decision not to give evidence was an attempt to hide the truth about what happened to the three women at the centre of the case.
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Fri, 31 Jul 2026 - 12min - 372 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - No Crimes
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the start of the defence case - and the news that Simon Levy will not be giving evidence. His barrister Siobhan Grey KC told the judge he would not be going into the witness box to face questions but she said again he did not harm any of the woman at the centre of this case. She said no crimes were committed.
Today we also have the latest from Hull Crown Court and the extraordinary story of Robert Bush - the funeral director who deceived the local community on an "industrial scale" after he failed to bury and cremate their loved ones.
We also speak to Karen Dry, who still doesn't know for sure if the ashes she carries with her are her mum and dad.
To sign Karen Dry's petition to the UK government to introduce full Statutory regulation of the funeral industry by spring 2027, click here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/767402
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Tue, 28 Jul 2026 - 33min - 371 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - The Searches
In this update episode Caroline and Nick have the details of what was found when police searched the home of Simon Levy after he was arrested. There were thousands of newspaper cuttings relating to serious and violent crimes, and an interest in convicted criminals including Jeffrey Epstein and Lucy Letby. On his computer there were over 160,000 items including Youtube videos of Andrew Tate, searches for "tips on how to talk to women", and a document which was called "My Sex Record".
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Fri, 24 Jul 2026 - 15min - 370 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - The Attacks on the Tube
In this episode Caroline and Nick bring you the details on Simon Levy’s previous convictions for sexual assaults on women, after the jury were told of 10 attacks that he carried out on London’s transport network between October 2023 and May 2025. These included when he attacked two women in the same incident on the tube and a sexual assault on a member of staff inside a prison.
Plus, we also describe what happened when Simon Levy was arrested.
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Tue, 21 Jul 2026 - 30min - 369 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - A Third Party
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence from the pathologist who found around 80 injuries on the body of one of the alleged victims of Simon Levy. He said 60 of the injuries on the body of Sheryl Wilkins were caused at the time she died. And when a further examination of her body was carried out a fractured bone was found in her throat. The doctor said what he found “strongly suggested” someone else was involved in her death but he could not say for sure that she was strangled.
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Fri, 17 Jul 2026 - 10min - 368 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - The Expert Witnesses
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence of several expert witnesses in the case. One told the jury that victims of strangulation do not always have bruises on their neck, and another said he could not confirm the exact reason Carmenza Valencia Trujillo died. He said he could not rule out that she had been strangled but he also couldn’t be sure her death was not drug related. We also answer your questions about why can say that Simon Levy has previous convictions for sexual assault.
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Tue, 14 Jul 2026 - 27min - 367 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - The CCTV
In this update episode, Caroline and Nick talk us through the CCTV footage that was shown in court of the last moments of Sheryl Wilkins life. It shows Sheryl being followed by Simon Levy with his hood up, him approaching her and then the two of them disappearing into the B&M carpark in Tottenham for almost 50 minutes, after which only Simon Levy is seen leaving the scene. Sherly’s body was found by police around 5 hours later.
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Fri, 10 Jul 2026 - 10min - 366 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - Did These Women Have To Die?
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the answers to why the alleged attack and rape of a women in Tottenham, which Simon Levy is now on trial for was initially closed down by the police. It was later reopened after the bodies of two women were found five months apart and the police suspected they’d been murdered. By then Simon Levy was in custody and he was linked to the alleged attacks on all three women. We also have the evidence of CCTV and the mobile phone footage which placed him at the scene of one of the alleged murders, and the DNA match of his blood.
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Tue, 07 Jul 2026 - 27min - 365 - Simon Levy: A Sexual Predator - “He raped me”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the words of the woman Simon Levy is accused of raping. She told the court she would never forget his face or the smell of his hands as he allegedly smothered and raped her in Tottenham in January 2025. He’s then accused of murdering two other women later in the same year. He claims he had consensual sex with the three women but he didn’t harm them. The jury already know Simon Levy is a sexual predator who has 13 previous convictions against women.
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Fri, 03 Jul 2026 - 21min - 364 - Simon Levy: The Sexual Predator on Trial
In this new series Caroline and Nick cover the trial of Simon Levy, a sexual predator who’s now on trial for rape and murder. The allegation is he targeted three vulnerable women in London “thinking that he would get away with it.” He allegedly raped one woman before murdering two more over an eight month period in 2025. The final alleged murder was committed when he was on bail after being arrested for an earlier attack.
Today, as the trial got underway the jury were also told that Levy already has convictions for sexually assaulting 13 women dating back to 2018.
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Tue, 30 Jun 2026 - 21min - 362 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: Getting Behind the Trial
In this special episode Caroline and Liz get behind the trial of Jamie Varley and John McGowan-Fazakerley. We’ve got an insight into the police investigation and the questions which now need to be asked and answered. We also gain an insight into the mind of a man like Jamie Varley from expert Criminologist and former Prison Governor, Professor David Wilson. And we have the emotional words of Preston’s birth mum, Sarah, who says her son was failed by the very people trusted to take care of him.
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Tue, 23 Jun 2026 - 39min - 361 - The Tragic Life of Preston Davey: The Day of Reckoning
A teacher, a head of year, a safeguarding lead will never be released from prison. A judge today decided Jamie Varley’s crimes against Preston Davey were so sinister, so depraved, so relentlessly evil that he should never be free.
In this episode, Caroline and Liz have all the details from an emotional day in court, including the words of Preston’s foster carers Sandra and Paul Cooper and his mum Sarah Davey. But as Jamie Varley and John McGowan Fazakerley were told about the devastation caused by their crimes they did not flinch.
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Thu, 18 Jun 2026 - 48min - 360 - The Tragic Life of Preston Davey: The Verdicts
Preston Davey was the victim of two sinister and wicked men, who “chose” him from an adoption website - then they both abused him and one of them murdered him. That’s what a jury have now decided. Jamie Varley and John McGowan-Fazakerly denied to the bitter end that they mistreated him, but the jury didn’t believe them. Today Caroline and Liz have got those verdicts in full and what happened as they were delivered - plus we can now bring you many of the details we haven’t been able to share up to now.
Trigger warning - the details in this episode are distressing and relate to child abuse.
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Mon, 15 Jun 2026 - 55min - 359 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: The Jury
The fate of Jamie Varley and John McGowan-Fazakerley is now in the hands of the jury. As this trial comes to an end Caroline and Liz have the final arguments, the final pleas and the final instructions to the jury. The decisions on the guilt or innocence of the two men on trial is now up to them.
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Fri, 12 Jun 2026 - 24min - 358 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “A Tragedy Waiting to Happen”
Preston Davey was in “peril at the hands of Jamie Varley” and John McGowan Fazakerly knew it - that’s what Peter Wright KC told the jury in this episode of the podcast with Caroline and Liz. As he closed his case, the prosecutor said Preston’s death was a “tragedy waiting to happen” - he said Jamie Varley had a sexual interest in children and he subjected Preston to a “litany of physical and psychological abuse” - and John McGowan Fazakerly could have foreseen what would happen. The danger Preston was in, Mr Wright said, was “blindingly obvious”.
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Tue, 09 Jun 2026 - 31min - 357 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “Your worst fears”
In this episode John McGowan-Fazakerley tells the jury how he turned detective to try to piece together what caused his adopted son, Preston Davey, to die. He said he knew now that his trust in Jamie Varley had been misplaced because he hadn't known the extent of the disturbing content on his phone. John McGowan-Fazakerley denied ever abusing or harming Preston - he said the allegations were abhorrent and vile - but he was asked repeatedly why traces of his semen were found on Preston's cot.
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Fri, 05 Jun 2026 - 39min - 356 - Update Episode - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: John McGowan-Fazakerley
In this update episode Caroline and Liz have the moment John McGowan-Fazakerley told his story. As he gave evidence for the first time, he said he and his partner Jamie Varley doted on their son. He also said he'd never seen Jamie Varley hit, punch, kick, poke, prod, smack or bite Preston and he said if he ever suspected his son was his danger, he would have grabbed him and run out of the front door to protect him.
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Tue, 02 Jun 2026 - 19min - 355 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: Preston’s “brilliant life”
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the cross-examination of Jamie Varley. He denies the prosecution’s claims that he abused Preston to punish him because he was struggling with being his main carer and resented his partner, John McGowan-Fazakerley, for working or being away.
He also denies making up a ‘cock and bull story’ about how Preston died to cover his tracks.
Instead he tells the jury that, although he made mistakes and was sometimes a little rough with Preston, he loved him and he had a brilliant life.
He says he did not cause Preston’s bruises, or sexually abuse or murder him.
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Fri, 29 May 2026 - 38min - 354 - Update Episode - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “Your Plaything”
In this emergency update episode Caroline and Liz have the moment Jamie Varley’s story was picked apart. He was accused by the prosecutor of abusing Preston for his own amusement and gratification, of killing him, and then inventing a “cock and bull” story to cover it up.
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Wed, 27 May 2026 - 7min - 353 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: Divided
In this episode Caroline and Liz have more of the evidence from Jamie Varley as he continues to give evidence in his own defence. He told the jury he didn’t agree with the medical evidence that Preston died because his airway was deliberately obstructed. He also said he didn’t lie to his partner, John McGowan Fazakerley, about what happened on the day Preston died. He also said the couple hadn’t been given time to grieve the loss of their son.
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Tue, 26 May 2026 - 31min - 352 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: Jamie Varley
In this episode Jamie Varley tells his story. As the defence case gets underway Jamie Varley entered the witness box to deny abusing or killing Preston Davey. He said he was the safest person in the world for Preston and being a teacher and a daddy was all he ever wanted. He also denied keeping pictures on his phone which were “trophies” of Preston being sexually abused. But he said he accepted looking back that some of the footage was inappropriate.
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Fri, 22 May 2026 - 29min - 351 - BONUS: The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: "You've killed him Jamie."
In this extra episode Caroline and Liz have the moment Jamie Varley is faced with the extent of the allegations against him - and his reaction to them. He tells detective they are wrong that he sexually abused and murdered his adopted 13-month-old son, Preston Davey, and he will fight the allegations until the day he dies.
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Wed, 20 May 2026 - 15min - 350 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “Frozen Watchfulness”
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the evidence from a doctor who said in some of the videos on Jamie Varley’s phone, Preston Davey was in life threatening situations. Dr Jo Gifford, an expert in child sex abuse, said Preston showed signs of being mistreated and abused, and there was footage of him before he died which showed several “near misses.”
We also have the evidence from Preston’s foster mum Sandra Cooper who came into court to refute Jamie Varley’s suggestion that the reason Preston was pictured and filmed naked was because she had advised he should be allowed “free willy time.” She said it was categorically untrue and she would view it as a big safeguarding issue.
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Tue, 19 May 2026 - 37min - 349 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: Was Preston bitten and abused?
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the medical evidence which the jury were told were consistent with Preston Davey being bitten and sexually assaulted before he died. A pathologist with 40 years experience said she found evidence that he could have been smothered or he may have died from having something forced into his mouth. She also said he suffered bruises which were not accidental. Preston was 13 months old when he died within four months of being in the care of Jamie Varley and John McGowan Fazakerley who were in the process of adopting him. The prosecution say he was abused and murdered.
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Fri, 15 May 2026 - 38min - 348 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “That’s Bullsh*t”
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the moment Jamie Varley was accused of the murder and sexual abuse of the baby he adopted - and he told police he would fight them to prove his innocence. In video footage shown in court he said he didn't believe Preston Davey, who was just 13 months old when he died, had injuries all over his body, and he said accusations of sexual assault were bullshit. He also said naked and explicit pictures of Preston on his phone were innocent and the police were "making a mountain out of a molehill."
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Tue, 12 May 2026 - 20min - 347 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “Was it you?”
In this episode we have the words of Jamie Varley as he denied abusing and murdering the baby boy he adopted. In a series of police interviews we’re bringing you today he says photos and videos the prosecution say are cruel or indecent were “totally innocent.” He also denied having any sexual interest in Preston and he said he did not kill him. But the jury also heard evidence that Preston had 45 bruises on his body, and he did not die from drowning in a bath, as Jamie Varley claimed.
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Fri, 08 May 2026 - 34min - 346 - Update Episode - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: "It's my Fault"
In this update episode Caroline and Liz have the moment 13-month-old Preston Davey was brought into A&E in the minutes before he died. CCTV footage was shown in court of Jamie Varley and John McGowan Fazakerley running into the hospital in Blackpool carrying the baby and the jury was told Jamie Varley repeatedly said: "It's my fault." He told doctors he'd left Preston in the bath alone for a few minutes and he'd started drowning. But the prosecution say he deliberately murdered him, after weeks of abuse. The men deny the charges.
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Tue, 05 May 2026 - 14min - 345 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: The Phone Footage
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the latest in the case of Preston Davey - a baby the prosecution say was abused and murdered after he was adopted by two men - Jamie Varley and John McGowan Fazakerly. Today we’ve got evidence of the videos and pictures from Jamie Varley’s mobile phone. In many of them Preston is naked and in some Jamie Varley appears to be naked too. The prosecution say the jury will have to decide if they are cruel and indecent. We’ve also got the evidence from Jamie Varley’s colleagues who say he gave different accounts of how Preston broke his arm in the weeks before he died. And we hear that at one point the hospital did report some of Preston’s injuries to the police but no investigation was launched.
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Fri, 01 May 2026 - 41min - 344 - Driven to Death? - Domestic Abuse: "A National Emergency"
In this episode the scale of domestic violence is exposed as Caroline sits down with Louisa Rolfe, the Assistant Chief Constable of the Met Police. New figures released today show teenage girls are increasingly being abused by partners and the numbers of women who take their lives due to domestic abuse now far exceeds those who are killed by a violent partner. Jess Philips, the Minister for Safeguarding and Violence Against Women and Girls today said the figures demonstrate a "National Emergency". We also have an interview with Chris Trybus, who was last week cleared of the manslaughter, rape and coercive control of his wife.
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Tue, 28 Apr 2026 - 40min - 343 - Driven to Death? - The Broader Questions
In this episode Caroline, Nick and Liz have the latest on the trial of the men accused of abusing Preston Davey - and why it's been delayed. We've also got a chat about jury trials and why there are more voices calling for David Lammy not to scrap them, and after the acquittal of Chris Trybus this week for manslaughter, coercive control and rape, we've got an interview about the broader issues around domestic violence, but unconnected with those charges of which Chris Trybus was acquitted.
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Fri, 24 Apr 2026 - 43min - 342 - Driven to Death? - Cleared
In this episode Caroline and Nick have all the details from court as Chris Trybus was dramatically cleared of killing his wife. The jury took over 40 hours to deliberate, but they decided he did not rape or coercively control Tarryn Baird and he was not responsible for her suicide.
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Wed, 22 Apr 2026 - 35min - 341 - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: A “Sinister Tragedy”
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the start of a brand new trial and a new series. The tragic death of a baby boy called Preston Davey is at the centre of this trial. Did the two men who adopted him abuse him? And did one of those men murder him? Jamie Varley and John McGowan-Fazakerley deny harming Preston and in this opening episode we have the details of what they’ve been accused of.
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Tue, 21 Apr 2026 - 29min - 340 - NEW TRIAL: The Tragic Life of Preston Davey
Caroline and Liz are back with a new trial and a new series of the podcast about the tragic life - and death - of a baby boy. Preston Davey died aged 13 months old, allegedly at the hands one of the men who adopted him. It's alleged Jamie Varley, a high school teacher, murdered Preston and that he and his partner, John McGowan-Fazakerley, abused him.
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Tue, 21 Apr 2026 - 1min - 339 - The Southport Dance School: They Were Failed
In this episode Caroline and Liz discuss the detailed findings from an inquiry into the horrific attack on a dance school in Southport in 2024. They dissect Sir Adrian Fulford’s 700 page report in which he outlines the failures which allowed Axel Rudakubana to murder 3 littie girls and attack many more. From the agencies who didn’t comprehend the danger he posed, the staff who failed to have professional curiosity, the police who failed to arrest him two years earlier and his parents who knew he hoarded weapons - but failed to report him. In short the deaths of Alice, Elsie and Bebe were entirely preventable.
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Fri, 17 Apr 2026 - 43min - 338 - The Chief Constable vs the MP
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the unprecedented intervention of Cheshire Police Chief Constable Mark Roberts in the ongoing debate about Lucy Letby. In a letter he has accused the MP David Davis of misleading parliament and spreading misinformation about the force's investigation into Lucy Letby. It comes after Mr Davis spoke in the House of Commons two weeks ago claiming Cheshire Police and the Crown Prosecution Service had not followed proper procedures in their investigation. But the MP has now been told to correct the record and accused of failing to fact check.
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Tue, 14 Apr 2026 - 31min - 337 - EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: The Nottingham Inquiry - “I am not going to stop till we get justice”
This is a preview of the latest Trial+ episode; The Nottingham Inquiry - “I am not going to stop till we get justice”. The full episode is available exclusively to Crime Desk subscribers. To find out more, visit https://plus.thecrimedesk.com/
In June 2023, a series of unthinkable attacks in Nottingham killed three people and left three others seriously injured.
Students Grace O’Malley-Kumar and Barnaby Webber were fatally stabbed as they walked home from a night out. The attacker then went on to kill school caretaker Ian Coates and steal his van, which was later used to drive into pedestrians in the city centre.
The man responsible, Valdo Calocane, had previously been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. He was later given an indefinite hospital order after admitting manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
Before the public inquiry into the Nottingham Attacks is due to restart, Caroline and Ryan are joined by Grace’s father, Sanjoy Kumar. With his experience as a GP and a forensic medical examiner, he describes a series of missed opportunities across multiple agencies, including police and mental health services, arguing that warning signs were repeatedly overlooked.
He says that the Nottingham Attacks were totally avoidable- and is determined to get justice for his daughter.
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Mon, 13 Apr 2026 - 24min - 336 - Driven to Death? - Who to Believe
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the FINAL episode of the podcast before the jury start to consider their verdict. And it was a dramatic spectacle of two legal titans battling it out in court. The prosecution say Chris Trybus was a wife-beater who lied that he knew nothing about his wife’s injuries, and his violence was the “dark cloud” Tarryn referred to in her suicide note. While the defence say this entire prosecution should serve as a warning to all men that they are at risk from false allegations, and this trial is agenda-driven and relies on a fallacy that women who say they are victims of domestic violence are always telling the truth.
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Fri, 10 Apr 2026 - 27min - 335 - Kim Kardashian - Is this Justice?
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the verdicts of the gang accused of the armed heist on Kim Kardashian. Spoiler alert - none of them are going to prison.
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Fri, 23 May 2025 - 19min - 334 - Kim Kardashian - The Crime and The Punishment
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the final words from the lawyers of the victims in the case.
We heard how Kim Kardashian’s life and liberty have been changed forever, and the jury were also urged not to forget the “forgotten victims” in the case - her friend Simone and the Concierge. We also heard the state prosecutor ask the judge to send the men she alleges are the key players to prison for 10 years.
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Thu, 22 May 2025 - 26min - 333 - Kim Kardashian - “The Mastermind”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence from the alleged “mastermind” of the armed robbery of Kim Kardashian.
He says he was involved in the heist but it wasn’t his idea and he did none of the planning. He claims a man known as X was in charge.
We also have the evidence from another defendant who said he was aware of the Hollywood actor Kim Basinger but said he didn’t know who Kim Kardashian was.
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Mon, 19 May 2025 - 23min - 332 - Kim Kardashian - The Gangster Lunch
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the testimony of the people on trial. Only two of the ten admit being involved in the armed robbery of Kim Kardashian, and it’s now their turn to persuade the court they are telling the truth.
We also have the evidence of the man who wrote the book called “I Kidnapped Kim Kardashian” and we heard about a Gangster’s Lunch where members of the gang allegedly got paid.
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Fri, 16 May 2025 - 26min - 331 - Kim Kardashian - “It was Terror”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the moment Kim Kardashian entered a Paris courtroom, faced the alleged gangsters who are accused of robbing her at gun point, and told one of them she forgave him.
It was an extraordinary day in court as we heard of the trauma she still suffers after that heist nine years ago.
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Tue, 13 May 2025 - 23min - 330 - Kim Kardashian - The Bodyguard
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence of Kim Kardashian’s bodyguard. He told of the moment he raced back to the hotel when he realised something was wrong.
He was asked why he wasn’t with her and he said there was only budget for one bodyguard and he had to protect her sister Kourtney in a nightclub.
He said with hindsight one bodyguard was not enough.
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Thu, 08 May 2025 - 21min - 329 - Kim Kardashian - The Ringleaders
In today’s episode Caroline and Nick hear how the police started to track down the gang responsible for stealing $10 million in jewellery from Kim Kardashian.
How they tracked their phones, and then followed them to Antwerp as they tried to sell the haul.
We also now have the full list of everything she had stolen including jewellery she wore on her teeth. Ten people are accused of being involved in the heist. Many of them are in their 60s and 70s and described as the Grandpa Robbers.
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Mon, 05 May 2025 - 18min - 328 - Kim Kardashian - The Personalities
In 2016 Kim Kardashian was the victim of an armed heist when she attended Paris Fashion Week.
She was bound, gagged and held at gun-point by a gang who stole around $10 million worth of jewellery.
In today’s episode Caroline and Nick start to hear about some of the people who are on trial accused of being involved; the alleged ring leader, the career criminals, and the celebrity fixer.
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Thu, 01 May 2025 - 22min - 327 - Kim Kardashian - The "Facts"
In 2016 Kim Kardashian was the victim of an armed heist when she attended Paris Fashion Week.
She was bound, gagged and held at gun-point by a gang who stole around $10 million worth of jewellery.
Ten people have now gone on trial accused of being involved and in this episode Caroline and Nick Fagge have the opening day of the case from the courtroom in Paris.
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Mon, 28 Apr 2025 - 19min - 326 - Driven to Death? - Back in the Box
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the surprising moment Chris Trybus was called back into the witness box. Plus we have a special update and an extraordinary interview on The Trial of Social Media which recently ended in LA.
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Tue, 07 Apr 2026 - 27min - 325 - Driven to Death? - “She was desperate for help.”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence from a Psychiatrist who said Tarryn Baird was “desperate for help” but she felt rejected by mental health services. Dr Philip Joseph said Tarryn was so ill she should have been sectioned. We also hear from colleagues of Chris Trybus who confirm he was abroad with work when his wife said he attacked her.
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Fri, 03 Apr 2026 - 28min - 324 - Driven to Death? - “No Comment”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the dramatic and at times combative exchanges in court as Chris Trybus defended himself against charges of manslaughter, rape and coercive control. He was taken to task by Tom Little KC who said his wife had accused him of being a wife beater and a rapist. And he was asked if he’d removed messages on his phone because they were incriminating. Chris Trybus said he was shocked by his wife’s accusations and he couldn’t reconcile them with his memories.
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Tue, 31 Mar 2026 - 23min - 323 - EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: Lucy Letby - The Letby Effect
This is a preview of the latest Trial+ episode; Lucy Letby -The Letby Effect. The full episode is available exclusively to Crime Desk subscribers. To find out more, visit https://plus.thecrimedesk.com/
In this episode, Caroline and Liz speak with neonatologist Dr Sandie Bohin, an expert witness in the Lucy Letby trial.
Since giving evidence, she has faced online harassment and a “campaign of misinformation” that upended her life— but she continues to stand by her testimony.
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Mon, 30 Mar 2026 - 21min - 322 - Driven to Death? - Bully or Betrayed
In this episode Caroline and Nick have more of the evidence from Chris Trybus, the man on trial. During his third day in the witness box he said he never abused his wife, Tarryn Baird, and he now felt “betrayed” by her allegations. He also said again that he was out of the country on two of the occasions she said he’d beaten her. He also said he was baffled to find out that during a romantic holiday in Scotland, Tarryn sent an email to a domestic violence advisor saying their relationship was “increasingly difficult” and she knew she had to leave him.
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Fri, 27 Mar 2026 - 24min - 321 - Meta and Google DID cause harm
In this emergency episode Caroline and Liz have the landmark verdict in Los Angeles that social media companies knew their platforms were addictive. The jury found that Meta and Google harmed a young user with design features that were addictive and led to her mental health distress. The judgement is being called big tech’s “tobacco moment” because it’s likely to open the doors for more claims.
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Thu, 26 Mar 2026 - 30min - 320 - Driven to Death? - The Husband
In this episode Chris Trybus tells his story. Giving evidence in his own defence for the first time he denied ever hurting his wife. In fact he he loved Tarryn Baird dearly. He said they had a very ordinary marriage apart from their sex life which he admitted was kinky and spicy. He said dealing with Tarryn’s death was the hardest thing he’d ever faced and he said his happy memories of their marriage had been tainted by her allegations.
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Tue, 24 Mar 2026 - 26min - 319 - Driven to Death? - The Best Friend
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the words of Tarryn’s best friend. Carina Silva told the jury in Winchester Tarryn became a “hollow shell” after suffering abuse at the hands of her husband. She said Tarryn started drinking herself to sleep after she claimed Chris Trybus raped her. But Carina Silva was accused of lying - of making up some of her evidence. And she was challenged on why, if she was so concerned about Tarryn, she hadn’t gone to the police sooner.
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Fri, 20 Mar 2026 - 27min - 318 - Driven to Death? - The Diary
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the words Tarryn Baird wrote in her diaries in the months before she died. We also have the evidence from a psychiatric nurse who said Tarryn told her she felt trapped in a prison. We also now know the emergency mental health service discharged her 8 days before she died by suicide.
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Tue, 17 Mar 2026 - 20min - 317 - EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: The Nottingham Inquiry - “I believe they were murdered"
In June 2023, a series of unthinkable attacks in Nottingham killed three people and left three others seriously injured.
Students Barnaby Webber and Grace O’Malley-Kumar were fatally stabbed as they walked home from a night out. The attacker then went on to kill school caretaker Ian Coates and steal his van, which was later used to drive into pedestrians in the city centre.
The man responsible, Valdo Calocane, had previously been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. He was later given an indefinite hospital order after admitting manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
Now, a public inquiry is examining whether the tragedy could have been prevented.
In the first episode of this series, Caroline and Ryan speak to Emma Webber, Barnaby’s mother, about the first weeks of the Nottingham Inquiry. She describes the long fight by the families to secure the inquiry, the disturbing evidence emerging about missed opportunities to stop the attacker, and why she and the other families remain determined to push for accountability and meaningful change.
In the second episode of this series, Caroline speaks to former senior police officer David Gilbertson, to discuss what the inquiry has revealed so far; multiple assaults, accounts of stalking and an arrest warrant that went unexecuted for ten months.
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Sat, 14 Mar 2026 - 24min - 316 - Driven to Death? - “Reliving a Nightmare”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the emotional evidence from Tarryn Baird’s mum who said she’d been living a nightmare ever since her daughter died. Michelle Baird said Tarryn had started to withdraw from her family in the months before she took her life and she blamed her frequent bruises on falling over. Michelle Baird also said Chris Trybus told her Tarryn “couldn’t stop” drinking and taking prescription medication and she also told of what she witnessed whenever Chris worked from home.
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Fri, 13 Mar 2026 - 29min - 315 - Driven to Death? - The Bruises
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence from two senior medical experts who say the injuries on Tarryn Baird’s body were unlikely to be self inflicted. The UKs leading expert in bruises also said the marks on her abdomen were similar to injuries she’d seen in car crashes. And a forensic pathologist said the chances of Tarryn being able to inflict them on herself were “vanishingly small”.
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Tue, 10 Mar 2026 - 24min - 314 - Driven to Death? - Tarryn's Final Hours
In this episode we hear the devastating final words of Tarryn Baird in the hours and minutes before she took her own life. In a series of recordings played to the jury she can be heard asking for help with suicidal thoughts, but by the time police arrived at her home it was too late. We also heard another tape which the prosecution say is a secret recording of Tarryn being raped by her husband, Chris Trybus, but he says what’s on the tape is consensual sex. A number of the witnesses in court this week were openly emotional as they explained how they tried to help Tarryn.
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Fri, 06 Mar 2026 - 29min - 313 - Driven to Death? - The “Disconnects”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence which the jury were told casts doubt on some of abuse Tarryn Baird says she was suffering at the hands of her husband. It’s been claimed in court that Chris Trybus was out of the country when some of the attacks took place, and that Tarryn bought a camera which she said he planted to spy on her. But we’ve also heard from her domestic violence advisor that she had bruises and she was too afraid to leave him.
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Tue, 03 Mar 2026 - 24min - 312 - Driven to Death? - Do No Harm
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the medical evidence from Tarryn Baird’s GP who she saw or spoke to over 100 times in two years. The notes showed she reported repeated beatings, assaults with a rope and rape at the hands of her husband, Christopher Trybus. Time and time again she was urged to end the relationship, but she said she was terrified he would find her, and it was more dangerous to leave than to stay. He argues the allegations are lies, and during one month when he’d allegedly attacked her more than once, evidence proved he wasn’t even in the country.
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Fri, 27 Feb 2026 - 27min - 311 - Trial Update: Driven To Death? - The Defence Case - “false allegations”
In this special update episode Caroline and Nick have an insight into what Christopher Trybus will say in his defence in this trial. He claims his wife made up allegations of domestic violence and coercive control, and far from abusing Tarryn Baird he cherished her deeply. He will also say her death was not a deliberate suicide attempt, but a cry for help which went wrong.
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Wed, 25 Feb 2026 - 8min - 310 - Driven To Death? - I Am Now Free
Was a woman driven to kill herself after being allegedly abused by her husband? That is the question at the centre of a landmark trial which Caroline and Nick will be covering in a new Trial UK series.
In this episode we hear that Tarryn Baird was 34 when she was found hanged in her garage - the prosecution say she killed herself because she was desperate to escape the violent, controlling abuse her husband subjected her to - and that makes him responsible for her death.
Christopher Trybus is facing charges of manslaughter, rape and coercive control. He denies the charges and says the allegations are false.
A jury will now decide.
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Tue, 24 Feb 2026 - 22min - 309 - EXCLUSIVE TRAILER: Lucy Letby - Debunking Her Expert Panel
In February last year Lucy Letby’s new defence team told a press conference there was no medical evidence of air embolism in the babies she murdered and attacked. Professor Shoo Lee said he had studied all the literature to make his claim.
But today we hear his claim was wrong. And the literature to prove it was there all the time.
In this episode, Neonatologist Professor Paul Clark explains why what Lucy Letby’s expert panel said is wrong. Using old and new case studies, he debunks what is currently the cornerstone of Lucy Letby’s defence.
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Tue, 24 Feb 2026 - 10min - 308 - The Trial of Social Media
In this episode Caroline and Liz get an insight from a lawyer with a ringside seat of the moment this week when Meta boss Mark Zuckerberg walked into a US courtroom to face the users of his platform who say using social media ruined their lives. They claim he knew the technology was addictive and it was part of his business model to make money at the expense of the mental health of a generation of young people. The case is likely to have huge implications in the UK so we also get the thoughts of Esther Ghey, who has campaigned tirelessly to better protect young people online, since the death of her daughter Brianna three years ago.
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Fri, 20 Feb 2026 - 55min - 307 - The Nursery Paedophile
Depraved, perverted and wicked - the words used to describe Vincent Chan as he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for abusing the children he was caring for. In this episode Caroline and Ryan have the details of how he used his job working in a nursery and in a school in London to prey on defenceless toddlers and children. He sexually assaulted them and he filmed it - storing the videos and images in files at his home. He also targeted other children and adults too - using a secret camera to record his female friends when they used the bathroom in his home, and he filmed complete strangers through their windows as they undressed. His crimes have devastated hundreds of people who are asking if he could have been stopped earlier.
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Fri, 13 Feb 2026 - 37min - 306 - Cold Case Killer - A Police Blunder To Beggar Belief
In this episode Caroline and Jack reveal the catalogue of police blunders which may have left the serial killer Steve Wright free to murder five women in Ipswich and raises questions about whether his latest victim, Vicky Hall, could have been saved too. A judge demanded today that Suffolk Police investigate what went wrong, after it emerged police ignored key evidence from another woman who reported Steve Wright tried to kidnap her the night before he succeeded in abducting and murdering 17-year-old Vicky in 1999. Steve Wright, who is known as The Suffolk Strangler, was then handed a life sentence with a minimum of 40 years for the cold case killing.
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Fri, 06 Feb 2026 - 49min - 305 - Cold Case Killer - How Many More?
In this episode Caroline and Jack have an exclusive interview with Criminologist Professor David Wilson. In 2008 he predicted that serial killer Steve Wright had murdered Vicky Hall years before. She was aged just 17 when she was kidnapped and murdered in 1999. It took Wright 18 years but yesterday at the Old Bailey he finally admitted it.
Today we chat to David about why he was so sure Steve Wright had killed before and if there might be more victims.
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Tue, 03 Feb 2026 - 36min - 304 - Cold Case Killer - 20 Years On, A Sixth Victim Confirmed
In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the dramatic first day of the trial of serial killer Steve Wright, also known as the Suffolk Strangler, for a cold case murder in 1999. Wright was convicted of murdering five women in Ipswich in 2006 and today he pleaded guilty to the kidnap and murder of 17-year-old Victoria Wood and the attempted kidnap of another woman seven years earlier. It is the first time he has ever admitted to any of his killings. The episode features all the latest from court as well as the questions the case raises about how many other victims Wright may have killed.
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Mon, 02 Feb 2026 - 34min - 303 - Lucy Letby - More Legal Questions
In this episode Caroline and Liz interview senior barrister Tim Owen KC about the news that Lucy Letby will not be facing more charges. We also have an insight into the latest documentary on her case which will be on Netflix on Feb 4.
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Thu, 22 Jan 2026 - 22min - 302 - Lucy Letby - Project Countess
In this episode Caroline and Liz sit down with Dr Susan Gilby in her first interview since she was awarded £1.4 million from the NHS. Dr Gilby was appointed CEO of the Countess of Chester Hospital just after Lucy Letby was arrested, but she was then forced to resign. And then she discovered a secret plot named Project Countess had been set up to get rid of her. It's an extraordinary interview about whistleblowing, conspiracy and the shocking waste of tax payers money.
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Wed, 21 Jan 2026 - 45min - 301 - Lucy Letby - No More Charges
In this emergency episode Caroline and Liz have the news that Lucy Letby will not be charged with more offences. While detectives felt there was enough evidence to charge her with 11 offences - two of murder and nine of attempted murder, the CPS disagreed. So what does it mean?
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Tue, 20 Jan 2026 - 25min - 300 - The Liverpool Parade - Rampage at the parade
In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the sentence of Paul Doyle and play for the first time some of the shocking dashcam footage that sealed his fate.
They detail how he spent time in jail as a much younger man for a serious violent offence and how his reputation now lies in tatters.
They also speak to a mother and her son, who were caught up in the carnage, and who helped rescue fans trapped beneath Paul Doyle’s Ford Galaxy.
And they bring you an interview with hero Dan Barr, the former soldier and supporter who ran towards danger to bring the car to a stop and who has been commended for his bravery.
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Tue, 16 Dec 2025 - 35min - 299 - The Liverpool Parade - Two Minutes of Carnage
In this episode Caroline and Liz reveal the reason Paul Doyle changed his pleas to guilty - his own dashcam footage. The footage was played in court today and it captured the crucial 2 minutes when he rammed his car into 134 people. Some bounced off his bonnet while others were dragged under the wheels. Many of his victims were in court and they gasped as they saw the carnage he inflicted in just a few seconds.
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Mon, 15 Dec 2025 - 40min - 298 - The Liverpool Parade - Why did he do it?
Why did Paul Doyle lose control and smash his car into dozens of people as they celebrated Liverpool FC’s league cup win? In this episode, ahead of his sentencing hearing next week Caroline and Liz sit down with Criminologist and former Prison Governor Professor David Wilson who has a possible explanation.
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Fri, 12 Dec 2025 - 30min - 297 - Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - "Not in My Name"
In this third special episode about Government plans to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz chat to a survivor of child sexual abuse. Vicki Crawford spent years believing she was culpable for the abuse she suffered at the hands of her sister's older boyfriend when she was just 14, and when she finally did seek justice decades later her experience was one of inefficiency, push back and delay. But despite this, she told us, the jury system is a fundamental right in a democratic system and should be retained at all costs. She also questioned if the Justice Secretary David Lammy had spoken to survivors of sexual violence before he tried to push through his reforms.
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Mon, 08 Dec 2025 - 33min - 296 - Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - The Verdict on Jury Reform
After David Lammy yesterday unveiled his proposals to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz have the verdict from one of the country’s top barristers. Chris Henley KC said the Justice Secretary’s plans showed “contempt for ordinary people.” He said the issues in the court system which cause unacceptable delays are “embarrassing” but the jury system was not one of the problems. He also said trust in the justice system would be undermined.
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Wed, 03 Dec 2025 - 36min - 295 - Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped?
Should juries be scrapped? In this special bonus episode Caroline and Liz investigate leaked plans from the justice secretary to abolish jury trials for the majority of cases. It would be a fundamental change to our justice system. And it’s not gone down well.
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Mon, 01 Dec 2025 - 42min - 294 - The Liverpool Parade - Road Rage
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the reason football fans were knocked down “like skittles” by a former marine. It was road rage. Paul Doyle was driving through the city as dozens of people celebrated Liverpool FCs League title, but he grew agitated that families wouldn’t get out of his way and he ploughed into them in his Ford Galaxy. Today as he dramatically changed his pleas to guilty we have all the details from the court.
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Wed, 26 Nov 2025 - 35min - 293 - The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Why?”
Guilty of harassment but Not Guilty of stalking. That’s the jury’s verdict today on Julia Wandelt’s “relentless” pursuit of the parents of Madeleine McCann. It means she could soon be released from prison and likely deported back to Poland. In this episode Caroline and Claire have all the reactions from the court, including how the McCanns said they hoped she can now get the care and support she needs. Plus we have an interview with Julia Wandelt’s father who told us how damaged she was after she was abused by her step-grandfather and he feels - like the McCanns - that he has also lost his daughter.
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Fri, 07 Nov 2025 - 42min - 292 - The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Crack Pots” and “Nutters”
Today Caroline and Claire have the moment the police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was accused of being in a state of “almost inertia”. The barrister for Karen Spragg said Julia Wandelt was treated like a “nutter” by the police when she said she might be Madeleine McCann, and they should have taken her DNA sooner. The jury were also told that people who were concerned about Madeleine’s abduction were not all “crack pots”.
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Tue, 04 Nov 2025 - 28min - 291 - The McCann 'Stalkers' - The end of the “charade”
In this episode Julia Wandelt accuses Gerry McCann of being involved in the abduction of his daughter Madeleine. She also says he has silenced his wife Kate and she claims officers from The Met may also have threatened her. She said she feels vulnerable since telling her story because people “don’t want the truth to come out.” But, in the final day of her giving evidence, she was accused of fabricating evidence and of creating a charade.
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Fri, 31 Oct 2025 - 23min - 290 - The McCann 'Stalkers' - The ‘Stalker’s’ Story
In this episode Caroline and Claire have the words of Julia Wandelt as she gave evidence for the first time in her defence. She told the jury she wouldn’t have pursued the McCanns if they’d just done a DNA test. It’s also now emerged she was being advised on her media strategy by a publicist in the UK and a Psychic in the US.
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Tue, 28 Oct 2025 - 18min - 289 - A hello and update from Caroline & Liz
It's been a while since Caroline & Liz had time to catch up and say hello to you all, and with the launch of our exciting new Crime Desk newsletter, thought now was as good a time as any!
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Mon, 27 Oct 2025 - 5min - 288 - The McCann Stalkers - “I’m not a nasty person”
In this episode we have the words of the two women on trial. Julia Wandelt told police she was the victim and Karen Spragg accused the McCanns of organising the abduction of their daughter Madeleine. She also said she wasn’t a nasty person.
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Fri, 24 Oct 2025 - 30min - 287 - High School Stabbing - Harvey’s Killer Named and Jailed
The killer of schoolboy Harvey Willgoose has been named and jailed. Umar Khan was 15 when he stabbed Harvey during the school lunch break in February this year. Today, as he was sent to prison for 16 years, his identity was revealed for the first time. In this episode Caroline and Jack have all the details from Sheffield Crown Court.
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Wed, 22 Oct 2025 - 36min - 286 - The McCann Stalkers - The Chats with Chat GPT
Today Caroline and Claire have the evidence that Julia Wandelt had to be convinced she was not two other missing children before she decided she was Madeleine McCann. We also have the evidence from a forensic expert who said her DNA proved she was not Madeleine and we have what Chat GPT told her when she asked if she might be Gerry McCann’s daughter.
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