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26 - The Business of Modern Jewelry: Gold, Copycats and Margins w/ Marisa Hordern
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  • 26 - The Business of Modern Jewelry: Gold, Copycats and Margins w/ Marisa Hordern

    How do you build a jewelry brand with no plan and no training? What do you do when gold passes $5,000 and your customer has a price ceiling? And why does the founder of Missoma say sales are vanity and margin is everything?


    Marisa Hordern left a corporate job she was miserable in, started Missoma at her mother’s kitchen table and has spent nearly 20 years building it into a demi-fine jewelry brand with its own stores, its own warehouse and more than 100 staff.


    She walks Poppy through how the business was built and the mistakes and setbacks along the way, from the early investors she bought out and the supplier she had to cut off, to the hires she got wrong and the copies she is still fighting. 


    In this episode:


    ◼️ The seven years she calls the wilderness, and what it takes to find your customer and the price they will pay

    ◼️ Why she builds a personal relationship with every supplier, and the factory of 15 years she caught selling her designs on Etsy

    ◼️ How to keep staff costs low early on with agencies, freelancers and part-time experts, and when to hire in-house

    ◼️ Why she tells founders to hire people with the opposite skills to their own, after hiring too many loud creatives and too few process builders

    ◼️ Why she hired a CEO to replace herself, and the first rule that CEO gave her, sleep on it before you react

    ◼️ Why chasing too many markets, categories and messages at once has been one of her biggest downfalls, and why she now does less, better

    ◼️ How she spreads risk across factories, sales channels and countries, and why she thinks a store can now cost less than digital ads

    ◼️ How a record gold price raised the cost of a year’s stock, and why she turned to new materials and new factories instead of raising prices again

    ◼️ The bad deal she signed with investors in 2011, and why she thinks chasing sales at the expense of profit is over

    ◼️ How an 11-year partnership with influencer Lucy Williams began with a one-page letter, and why she thinks commission beats paying influencers upfront


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    Chapters:


    00:00 Starting Missoma with no plan

    01:24 Seven years to find the customer

    11:00 The factory selling her designs on Etsy

    17:28 Copycats and counterfeits

    24:37 Hiring, and replacing herself as CEO

    30:59 Marketing without a big budget

    37:01 What $5,000 gold did to the business

    49:18 Never rely on one factory or channel

    54:28 The bad investment deal of 2011

    59:22 Lucy Williams and influencer deals

    1:03:02 Save or Splurge


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    Wed, 11 Nov 2026 - 1h 05min
  • 25 - From a Market Stall to Her First Million w/ Ducie Keam-George

    How do you get from a market stall to an international outerwear brand without taking a penny of investment?


    Why would a founder deliberately price her coats below what comparable brands charge? And why does one influencer post sell twenty coats when a famous face usually just buys you awareness?


    Ducie Keam-George left a job at MTV, started a stall on Portobello Road and turned it into Ducie, the outerwear label worn by Hailey Bieber, built on twenty years of her own profit rather than on investment.


    She walks Poppy through the money behind a fashion brand nobody funded, from a stall on Portobello Road to the fractional CFO she brought in this year, in her first ever podcast interview.


    It is for anyone running a product business who would rather stay in profit than raise a round.


    In this episode:


    ◼️ Funding every batch from the profit on the last one keeps a brand alive and caps how fast it grows

    ◼️ The supplier who says they can do everything is the one who will miss your deadline

    ◼️ Why she refuses to price at what the market would pay, even though she could

    ◼️ Why she gifts to the people who already bought the jacket, and never pays a fee

    ◼️ Hiring the thing you are worst at, and the nineteen years she waited to do it

    ◼️ Twenty years in profit with no investor, and what finally made her borrow this year

    ◼️ The burnout, the trip to Goa and the stranger who told her to start a brand

    ◼️ Moving production from India to China to Turkey, and what she was chasing each time

    ◼️ Danielle Bernstein selling twenty of her coats in a single post, and the traffic spike she can see on the site

    ◼️ Hailey Bieber wearing the coat in a campaign Ducie was not paid for, and what it did to sales


    _________

    Chapters:

    00:00 From MTV to a market stall

    03:08 Supply chains, and the red flag in a new supplier

    04:47 Twenty years in profit, and the first loan

    06:53 Why she prices below the market

    08:28 Instagram, Shopify, and learning to sell

    11:31 Bad with numbers, and the CFO she hired

    13:45 Her first senior hire, in year nineteen

    15:09 Her first million, and the influencers behind it

    19:35 LTK, ShopMy, and marketing on almost nothing

    22:14 Brand shoots, expensive mistakes, and an LA PR company

    28:21 Wholesale, DTC, and the 20th anniversary

    30:17 Loans, equity, and keeping control

    35:19 Marriage, and where the brand's look comes from

    39:52 Hailey Bieber, and whether celebrities sell

    41:48 What's next, the US, and copycats

    44:55 Quickfire: advice, books, and how she switches off

    48:20 Spend or save

    _________


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    Wed, 04 Nov 2026 - 52min
  • 24 - Saie Beauty: From a Blog to $100 Million in Sales w/ Laney Crowell

    How do you build a $100 million beauty brand without opening a single store?

    Why is the box the cheapest part of a Saie product, on purpose? And why did getting profitable fast matter more to this founder than raising another round?

    Laney Crowell asked her blog readers what the beauty industry was missing, built #saiebeauty out of their answers, and has taken it past $100 million in sales.

    She walks Poppy Jamie through the decisions behind that number, the retailer she went after while the rest of the industry was going direct to consumer, the packaging she keeps deliberately cheap so the formulas can be expensive, and what changed about the company the year it turned profitable.

    It is for anyone building a consumer brand who wants to know which costs are worth carrying and which are not.


    In this episode:

    ◼️ Why launching with fewer products means you can tell the story of each one

    ◼️ Why a key retailer brings you footfall and never an audience, and why demand stays your job

    ◼️ Where to save money on a product, and why she picks the part the customer throws away

    ◼️ How getting profitable early buys back the months a founder loses to fundraising

    ◼️ Which roles need someone who has done it before, and which ones she gives to raw talent

    ◼️ The hiring mistake she would undo, filling a team with people who reflected what she already knew

    ◼️ The one job she will never outsource, and the one she hands to an agency in every market

    ◼️ How spotting the audience nobody was advertising to turned into a Knicks sponsorship

    ◼️ Why “this just stopped working” is the permanent condition of running a business

    ◼️ The biggest waste of money when building a brand, in her own words


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    Wed, 28 Oct 2026 - 54min
  • 23 - I Ran Steven Bartlett's Socials. Here's Why Your Content Flops w/ Holly Hayes

    Everyone thinks Steven Bartlett's personal brand was built on talent. It was built on 200 posts a month.


    Most people post once a week, check the likes after half an hour and delete anything that flops. Behind The Diary of a CEO, every decision started with one question: "what's the data?" Every guest got an essay's worth of research, the awkward silences were left in, and content was tested on TikTok before it ever reached Instagram.


    Holly Hayes started in Steven Bartlett's kitchen with a login, a password and his accounts, when the whole team was about five people. As his brand manager she posted around 200 pieces of content a month, made LinkedIn the "golden child" of his brand, and now builds personal brands for founders and creators. She is honest about why most content never gets seen.


    In this episode:

    ◼️ How Steven Bartlett's personal brand was built... 200 posts a month, LinkedIn first, and talking about the things other founders wouldn't

    ◼️ The Diary of a CEO details nobody notices, from the scent of the room to an essay's worth of research on every guest

    ◼️ Why holding a silence is an under-trained skill, especially for women

    ◼️ Brand pillars explained: how to niche down without losing your personality

    ◼️ The biggest content mistake: saving the best part for the end instead of the first five seconds

    ◼️ Why repetition isn't boring, and how one well-worn topic hit 200,000 views in 24 hours

    ◼️ "What's the data?" The metrics that actually matter: watch time, profile views, skip rate and shareability

    ◼️ The founder spending £15,000 a month on Meta ads with nothing to show for it, and what was really broken

    ◼️ Which platforms to prioritise, why your LinkedIn company page gets ignored, and why a pretty feed doesn't matter

    ◼️ Only getting six likes? How to find what's broken, and why you should never delete a post after 30 minutes


    Nobody cares about your content… But you can give them a reason to.


    Chapters:

    00:00 Meet Holly Hayes, Steven Bartlett's former brand manager

    01:24 200 posts a month: the brief behind Steven Bartlett's brand

    03:06 Why LinkedIn was the "golden child"

    05:01 Is LinkedIn still a white space?

    06:28 The Diary of a CEO details nobody notices

    09:25 The power of holding a silence

    12:25 Great content vs average content

    14:30 "Pretend nobody cares"

    17:48 Brand pillars explained

    19:40 Niche down or show every side of you?

    23:59 The biggest mistake: your first five seconds

    25:52 Is AI making content worse?

    28:18 Why repetition builds a brand

    33:15 "What's the data?": the metrics that matter

    35:35 Shareability: the free paid ad

    37:35 £15,000 a month on ads and no return

    39:35 Which platforms to prioritise

    42:14 Why your LinkedIn company page gets ignored

    43:36 Should you stress about a pretty feed?

    48:33 Posting more: expanding your surface area for luck

    50:59 How to post more without burning out

    54:42 Only getting six likes? What's broken

    59:27 Why a personal brand is freedom

    1:01:16 Visual repetition and recognisable content

    1:07:29 Post while you're excited about it

    1:14:43 Save or Splurge


    What's the one thing stopping you from posting more? Tell us below 👇


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    Thu, 15 Oct 2026 - 1h 17min
  • 22 - Mined Diamonds Lose 40%: Why Lab-Grown Is Worth It! w/ Jessica Warch

    The diamond industry told us diamonds are rare. They're not, and the moment you buy one it can lose 40% of its value.


    A mined diamond and a lab-grown one are chemically identical. A certified gemologist cannot tell them apart without a machine, and the machine still gets it wrong. One of them costs three to four times more, and loses around 40% of its value the moment you buy it.


    Jessica Warch grew up inside the Antwerp diamond trade, where her parents still work. She left to build Kimaï, took Diane von Fürstenberg as an investor and opened stores in London and Paris. She is blunt about what you are actually paying for. 


    In this episode:

    ◼️ The diamond industry explained... who controls the supply, who sets the price, and why diamonds were never actually rare

    ◼️ Lab-grown vs mined diamonds: chemically identical, and even specialist machines can't always tell them apart

    ◼️ Is a diamond a good investment? Why a mined diamond can lose around 40% of its value the moment you resell it

    ◼️ Why the average Kimaï engagement ring is about £5,000, and what the same ring would cost with a mined diamond

    ◼️ The cold email to Meghan Markle's circle that led to 100 articles in one day, with almost no stock to sell

    ◼️ Raising $2 million "way too early", and the branding agency mistake she'd never make again

    ◼️ How Diane von Furstenberg became an investor, sitting on her floor showing Jess her own jewellery

    ◼️ Why some magazines won't feature lab-grown diamonds, and the word Kimaï isn't allowed to use on its own

    ◼️ How she runs the business with Claude Code, from sales reports to checking supplier invoices line by line


    Diamonds are forever… But overpaying for them doesn't have to be.


    Chapters:

    00:00 The truth about diamonds

    01:39 From Antwerp's diamond trade to lab-grown diamonds

    03:30 What the diamond industry doesn't want you to know

    04:50 Is a diamond a good investment? (You lose 40%)

    05:42 Lab-grown vs mined diamonds: is there any difference?

    08:54 From 2% of the market to engagement ring favourite

    09:17 Are lab-grown diamonds actually sustainable?

    10:54 Bridal: 50–60% of sales and a £5K average ring

    15:19 Starting a jewellery brand on the side of a full-time job

    16:57 The cold email that got Kimaï on Meghan Markle

    18:40 100 articles in a day: the Meghan effect

    21:55 From online-only to opening retail stores

    24:10 Raising $2 million "way too early"

    26:01 Founder mistakes: branding agencies and hiring

    28:24 How Diane von Furstenberg became an investor

    30:28 Why Kimaï went on Dragons' Den

    33:01 Why magazines won't write about lab-grown diamonds

    35:44 The word "diamond" they're not allowed to use

    36:42 Marketing without influencers

    42:01 How to make a co-founder relationship work

    44:25 Running a business with Claude Code and AI

    47:35 Best business advice: never take no for an answer

    50:12 How much should founders pay themselves?

    52:10 Save or Splurge


    Would you choose a lab-grown diamond for your engagement ring? Tell us below 👇


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    Wed, 07 Oct 2026 - 54min
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