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Outside Ourselves with Kelsi Klembara features conversations about God’s gift of faith. What does it mean for saving faith to stand outside of our abilities and works? Join Kelsi as she explores questions about the Christian faith with theologians and theology lovers. New episodes every other week. Outside Ourselves is a part of the 1517 Podcast Network.
- 105 - The Ache of Living this Side of the Sky with Laura Wifler
Kelsi chats with author, Laura Wifler, about her first book of poetry, This Side of the Sky: 101 Poems and Scriptures for the Hungry, Hopeful, and Homesick.
Laura Wifler is a poet, educator, and bestselling author of books for both adults and children. Laura has long offered Christian women a place to feel seen in the midst of ordinary life. Through her poetry, she is known for giving language to what many women feel but struggle to name. Over the years, Laura has authored multiple bestselling, award-winning books for children, including "Any Time, Any Place, Any Prayer" and "Like Me," and is the co-author of the bestselling book "Risen Motherhood." Laura lives in central Iowa with her husband and three children.
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Tue, 15 Sep 2026 - 53min - 104 - When “Fear Not” Feels Impossible with Luke Kjolhaug
Author and Pastor, Luke Kjolhaug, joins Kelsi to talk about his new book, Fear Not: How the Gospel Disrupts Our Deepest Anxieties. The two talk about how "Fear Not " is often less of a command than it is a promise throughout Scripture and how we can rely on Jesus to defeat our deepest anxieties. Luke Kjolhaug is the pastor of Elim Lutheran Church in Osakis, Minnesota. He holds undergraduate degrees from Wheaton College and the University of Minnesota, as well as a master’s degree from Lutheran Brethren Seminary. Luke is the author of Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer for the Christian Life. He and his wife Bethannie have been blessed with two daughters.
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05:30 Personal Connection to Fear Not
11:17 Understanding Fear in Scripture
13:19 Fear and Anxiety
18:10 The Cultural Context of Fear
24:39 Wrestling with Fear and Faith
29:59 Understanding the Fear of God
34:25 Fear of the Future
43:27 FOMO and Covetousness in Modern Life
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Tue, 01 Sep 2026 - 48min - 103 - The World Has Forgotten How to Forgive with Amy Orr-Ewing
Kelsi is joined by theologian, Amy Orr-Ewing, to discuss the unique gift of Christian forgiveness which Amy writes about in her most recent book, Forgiveness: Reclaiming its Power in a Culture of Outrage and Fear.
Amy Orr-Ewing (DPhil, Oxford University) is an international speaker, theologian, and apologist. She is the author of multiple books, including Where Is God in All the Suffering? and Why Trust the Bible?Orr-Ewing speaks at churches and on university campuses around the world and has spoken in the UK Parliament, the United States Capitol, and the West Wing of the White House. She previously served as president of the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics and is an honorary lecturer at the University of Aberdeen. She lives near Oxford, England, with her husband and their three sons.
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Tue, 18 Aug 2026 - 48min - 102 - Christianity: Antidote to Progress with Eddie LaRow
Kelsi chat with author and editor, Eddie LaRow, about his forthcoming book, After Progress: How an Ancient Faith Roots a Restless Generation, the needs of those of us living in a digital age, and how those needs are met time and again by Christ and the cross.
Eddie LaRow is an acquisitions editor at Baker Books. He has spent nearly a decade in publishing, and his essays have appeared in First Things, Ad Fontes, Mere Orthodoxy, The American Mind, and on his Substack.
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Tue, 04 Aug 2026 - 1h 11min - 101 - Why Women Need Good Theology with Mary Van Weelden
Content Manager for Sola Media, Mary Van Weelden, joins Kelsi to talk about the importance of making sure Christian women receive sound theological teaching and training from the local church, especially in the digital age where Tiktok and Instagram influencers often serve as our guides to theology, life, and more. Mary Van Weelden is Content Manager at Sola Media, a graduate of Westminster Seminary California, a writer, a pastor’s wife, and a former journalist.
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Tue, 21 Jul 2026 - 59min - 100 - The Crisis of Morality (and Importance of Christian Virtue) with Alan Noble
Author Alan Noble joins Kelsi to talk about the importance of Christian virtue, rooting virtue in the gospel and Noble's latest book, To Live Well: Practical Wisdom for Moving through Chaotic Times.
Dr. O. Alan Noble is Associate Professor of English at Oklahoma Baptist University and author of numerous books and articles.
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Tue, 07 Jul 2026 - 55min - 99 - The Spiritual Search for More with Belle Tindall-Riley
Kelsi talks with author and theologian, Belle Tindall-Riley, about her new book, The Sacred Ache, and Gen Z's search for the spiritual. Belle holds a Doctorate in Biblical Studies and her debut book, The Sacred Ache, was published in the UK June 2026. She is also editor-in-chief of The Mockingbird magazine. The Sacred Ache will be out in the U.S. early next year.
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Tue, 23 Jun 2026 - 1h 01min - 98 - The Lutheran View of Baptism with Brian Thomas
Kelsi interviews Pastor Brian W. Thomas about his latest book with 1517 Publishing, By Water and the Word: God's Gift of Baptism for You at the latest Northwest Arkansas HWSS conference. The book serves as a visual and written guide to the Lutheran view of baptism which Kelsi and Brian both argue lines up with the Scriptural view of baptism. Brian W. Thomas is the pastor of Grace Lutheran in San Diego, California. He frequently contributes to 1517 and has written several books, including Wittenberg vs. Geneva: A Biblical Bout in Seven Rounds on Doctrines that Divide and Clothed with Christ: A Biblical Style Guide for Sinners.
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Mon, 08 Jun 2026 - 37min - 97 - How to be Human with Carl Trueman
Kelsi talks with church historian, professor, and author, Carl Trueman about his newest book, The Desecration of Man: How the Rejection of God Degrades Our Humanity. Carl R. Trueman (PhD, University of Aberdeen) is professor of biblical and religious studies at Grove City College. He is an esteemed church historian and previously served as the William E. Simon Fellow in Religion and Public Life at Princeton University. Trueman has authored or edited more than a dozen books, including The Creedal Imperative; Luther on the Christian Life; and Histories and Fallacies. Trueman is a member of The Orthodox Presbyterian Church.
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Tue, 26 May 2026 - 46min - 96 - The Future of Family with Scott Keith
1517 Executive Director Scott Keith joins Kelsi to discuss his new book, Being Family: Passing Down the Faith Through the Generations.
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Tue, 12 May 2026 - 53min - 95 - The Culture of God's Word with Hal Senkbeil and Lucas Woodford
Kelsi chats with co-authors, Hal Senkbeil and Lucas Woodford of the newly released "The Culture of God's Word: Faithful Ministry in a Post-Christian Society." The duo talk about remaining faithful to the preaching of God's effective words of law and gospel no matter what ministry trends or cultural contexts surround us. They also discuss the importance of allowing the Word to supersede culture wars and the call for the church to embrace both hospitality and embodiment.
Rev. Dr. Lucas V. Woodford, (MDiv, STM, DMin), is President of the Minnesota South District of the Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod and Associate Pastor of Trinity Lutheran Church, Farmington, MN. Dr. Woodford is a Fellow in the Collegium of DOXOLOGY: The Lutheran Center for Spiritual Care and Counsel, charged with research, writing, and speaking regarding the care of souls in the contemporary context. President Woodford is a husband to Becca and father to their seven children, five girls and two boys.
Harold L. Senkbeil was born and raised on a Minnesota farm. His rural background has shaped his approach to work and people. He married Jane Frances Nesset in 1971. They are the parents of three and the grandparents of four. Harold was a parish pastor for 31 years prior to accepting a position as Associate Professor of Ministry and Mission at Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, Indiana. Since 2008 he has served as Executive Director for Spiritual Care for DOXOLOGY: The Lutheran Center for Spiritual Care and Counsel and spends his time teaching and encouraging pastors to hone their skills in the ancient art of the cure of souls.
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Tue, 28 Apr 2026 - 59min - 94 - Blaise Pascal: Faith, the Self, and Our Modern World with Graham Tomlin
Graham Tomlin joins Kelsi to discuss the influence and faith of 17th-century polymath, Blaise Pascal, based on Tomlin's most recent book, "Blaise Pascal: The Man Who Made the Modern World." The two discuss his similarities and differences with Martin Luther, his views of 17th-century French society (and how this culture offers many lessons for our modern world), and his contributions to Christian apologetics.
Graham is the editor-in-Chief of Seen & Unseen, and a former Bishop of Kensington. He is a regular contributor to national publications and has written many books and articles, both academic and more popular. He founded the Centre for Cultural Witness, home to Seen & Unseen, in 2023. He taught theology within Oxford University for many years before founding St. Mellitus College.
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Tue, 14 Apr 2026 - 47min - 93 - Evidence for the Resurrection with Adam Francisco
What does it mean for Paul to claim that if Christ has not been raised, our preaching and faith is in vain as he states in 1 Corinthians 15? Adam Francisco joins Kelsi to talk about the importance of centering Christian apologetics on the resurrection of Christ as a historically reliable event. The two also discuss helpful responses to many of the common objections to the resurrection and how the apologetic task has shifted in a post-Christian and post-enlightenment age.
Adam Francisco is Director of Academics and Scholar in Residence at 1517. He earned his DPhil from the University of Oxford in 2006 and served as Professor of History, Dean, and Assistant Provost in the Concordia University System for nearly two decades.
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Tue, 31 Mar 2026 - 1h 08min - 92 - Raising Wise Kids in a Sexually Broken World
Kelsi chats with author, Laurie Krieg, about her newest book (coauthored with her husband Matt), Raising Wise Kids in a Sexually Broken World, to answer how we keep the gospel as our foundation as we teach and guide our children through increasingly complex sexual issues today.
Laurie Krieg is the director of parent programs and discipleship for The Center for Faith, Sexuality, and Gender. Laurie and her husband, Matt, are cohosts of the Hole in My Heart podcast, coauthors of An Impossible Marriage, and live in West Michigan with their three kids.
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Tue, 17 Mar 2026 - 1h 02min - 91 - Understanding Revivalism with Dan van Voorhis
What does revival really mean for the modern church? This week, historian, 1517 Scholar in Residence, and Christian History Almanac host, Dan Van Voorhis, joins Kelsi to explore the nuances of revivalism throughout American Christianity and to discuss whether or not the church is currently undergoing a revival.
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Tue, 03 Mar 2026 - 50min - 90 - The Season of Lent (and the Entire Christian Life) with Christopher Richmann
Christopher Richmann teaches religion and is assistant director for teaching and learning with the Academy for Teaching and Learning at Baylor University. An ordained ELCA pastor, Christopher serves St. John Lutheran Church in Gatesville, TX. He joins Kelsi to discuss his new book with 1517 Publishing, Stretched: A Study Guide for Lent and the Entire Christian Life.
Lent often conjures images of self-denial and fasting, leaving many Christians confused about its true significance. Kelsi and Christopher delve into the historical and biblical roots of Lent, shedding light on its importance for the everyday Christian.
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Tue, 17 Feb 2026 - 1h 06min - 89 - The True Myth of the Gospel with Louis Markos
Kelsi talks with English professor and Christian apologist, Louis Markos, about the importance of myth, storytelling, and imagination within Christian apologetics. Using C.S Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien as guides, Dr. Markos argues Christianity is the truest myths and therefore Christ is the fulfillment of the pagan hope for a savior as seen in the great myths throughout time. The two also discuss the shift in apologetics in late modernity and Dr. Markos forthcoming book, My Apologetics Dinner Party.
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Tue, 03 Feb 2026 - 1h 10min - 88 - Understanding the American Religious Landscape with Ryan Burge
Kelsi is joined by data analyst, Ryan Burge, to discuss the current American Religious Landscape as well as his newest book, The Vanishing Church: How the Hollowing Out of Moderate Congregations Is Hurting Democracy, Faith, and Us.Dr. Ryan Burge is an associate professor of political science at Eastern Illinois University. He is the author or co-author of four books including The Nones, 20 Myths about Religion and Politics in America, and The Great Dechurching. He has written for the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and POLITICO. He has also appeared on 60 Minutes, where Anderson Cooper called him, "one of the leading data analysts of religion and politics in the United States." He has been a pastor of an American Baptist Church for over seventeen years.
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Tue, 13 Jan 2026 - 1h 07min - 87 - Grace and Absolution in Wake Up Dead Man with David Zahl
Kelsi chats with David Zahl about themes of faith and grace in Rian Johnson's newest film, Knives Out: Wake Up Dead Man.
David Zahl is founder and director of Mockingbird Ministries, which receives more than 1 million website page views per year and 35,000 newsletter subscribers and social media followers. He is editor in chief of the Mockingbird blog and cohost of the Mockingcast podcast.
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Fri, 19 Dec 2025 - 31min - 86 - Jim Nestingen's Legacy with John Pless
Kelsi talks with Assistant Professor of Pastoral Ministry and Missions, John Pless, about compiling and editing, The Essential Nestingen: Essays on Preaching, Catechism, and the Reformation. These essays were written by Dr. Pless' good friend, James Arne Nestingen (1945-2022). Jim was a beloved pastor, seminary professor, and most of all a confessor and preacher of the Gospel of Jesus. John talks about his friendship with Jim, Jim's legacy and the importance of collaboration within Lutheran theology. Rev. John T. Pless is assistant professor of pastoral ministry and missions at Concordia Theological Seminary in Fort Wayne, Indiana. He also serves as the director of field education for the seminary. Previously, Rev. Pless spent seventeen years as a campus pastor at University Lutheran Chapel at the University of Minnesota. He is the book review editor for Logia: A Journal of Lutheran Theology and a member of the editorial council of Lutheran Quarterly. In addition, Rev. Pless is copresident of the International Loehe Society, a regular lecturer at various conferences, and a member of the LCMS Committee on the Sanctity of Human Life. Rev. Pless received his BA from Texas Lutheran College and his MDiv from Trinity Lutheran Seminary, Columbus, Ohio.
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Tue, 16 Dec 2025 - 1h 06min - 85 - Advent in Isaiah with Matt Popovits
Kelsi chats with Pastor Matt Popovits about this year's 1517 Advent Resources, Coming Home for Christmas: Advent in Isaiah. For the past three years, Matt has written the sermons for this series which is available for free for pastors and lay people alike to download and use. The series also includes a personal devotional. The two discuss the multiple layers to this year's theme: the importance of the season of Advent, the promises of Christ found throughout the book of Isaiah, and the specific promise that Christ comes to us in the manger to bring us home and to be our home forever. Matt Popovits serves as Lead Pastor of St. Mark Houston, in Houston, Texas. Prior to serving in Houston, Matt was the planting and Lead Pastor of OSNY, a family of neighborhood parishes in New York City. Matt has also served as a staff writer for Homiletics and is a frequent speaker at churches and events around the country.
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Tue, 02 Dec 2025 - 49min - 84 - The Quiet Ambition with Ryan Tinetti
Kelsi chats with professor, pastor, and author Ryan Tinetti about his new book, The Quiet Ambition: Scripture's Surprising Antidote to Our Restless Lives. Based on 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12, The Quiet Ambition argues the life of the Christian often has much less to do with changing the world than it does faithfully trusting our work matters because we matter to God. Ryan P. Tinetti is a pastor who now serves as a professor of practical theology at Concordia Seminary (Saint Louis). He is the author of Preaching by Heart and writes the regular column "The Preacher's Toolbox" on 1517.org. Prior to his call to Concordia Seminary, Ryan served for fourteen years in parish ministry. Ryan lives with his wife, Anne, and their four children in St. Louis on the campus of the seminary.
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Wed, 19 Nov 2025 - 56min - 83 - Kids and Parenting in the Digital Age with Erica Sorensen
Kelsi talks with Erica Sorensen about her experience in youth ministry and the affects of our current digital age on parenting and kids. The two discuss the impact of therapy culture, online culture, and trauma for Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Ultimately, Erica reminds listeners that Jesus is the answer for both them and their children and that we can trust him because his promises never fail. Erica Sorensen is in charge of Individual Partnerships in the Development Department at 1517. She holds a B.A. in both International Economics and Spanish from Valparaiso University and a M.A. in Teaching from the University of St. Thomas. Erica has a diverse work background in non-profit business operations, K-12 education, and fundraising. She is a passionate Gen Z advocate and speaker to church leadership and youth alike, teaching about the unique joys and challenges of sharing the gospel message with young people in a post-Christian world.
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Tue, 04 Nov 2025 - 59min - 82 - Free Will is a Fiction: An Introduction to the Bondage of the Will with John Hoyum
Kelsi is joined by Pastor and 1517 contributor, John Hoyum, to discuss Martin Luther's Bondage of the Will. In this conversation, the two go over some of Luther's main arguments against the idea that humans have the free ability to choose God in salvation and talk about how Luther approached Scripture in order to rebut the humanist, Desiderius Erasmus', argument for the free will.
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Tue, 21 Oct 2025 - 1h 16min - 81 - The Significance of Singleness with Dani Treweek
This week, Kelsi chats with author and theologian, Dani Treweek about her work on singleness and the church, and in particular, her new book, "Single Ever After: A Biblical Vision for the Significance of Singleness." Dani argues that just like marriage, singleness points us to eternity and therefore has intrinsic value to the church.
Timecodes: 00:00 Introduction03:41 The Church’s Response to Singleness07:31 Navigating Societal Trends and Church Responses12:48 The Value of Singleness in the Church18:03 Understanding the Intrinsic Value of Singleness23:00 The Coexistence of Singleness and Marriage33:50 The Loneliness of Singleness in the Church39:30 Understanding Genesis: Singleness is not Aloneness46:25 The Misinterpretation of the Gift of Singleness56:43 Defining Sexuality and its Implications for Singles
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Tue, 07 Oct 2025 - 1h 03min - 80 - Evangelism in the Age of Despair with Andrew Root
In this episode, Kelsi talks with theologian and author, Andrew Root, about his work on the secular age and his newest book, Evangelism in the Age of Despair. The two talk about how despite our culture's emphasis on happiness, we remain sadder than ever and the role of consolation in evangelism. Andrew Root (Ph.D., Princeton Theological Seminary) is the Carrie Olson Baalson professor of youth and family ministry at Luther Seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota.
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Tue, 23 Sep 2025 - 55min - 79 - The Gift of Holy Scripture with Jonathan Linebaugh
Kelsi is joined by Jonathan Linebaugh to discuss his new book, The Well that Washes What it Shows: An Invitation to Holy Scripture. In the book and in this conversation, Jono describes Scripture as God's living and active word by which he does two works: reveals of our need for Jesus and gives us Jesus himself. Jonathan A. Linebaugh serves as Anglican Chair of Divinity and professor of New Testament and Christian theology at Beeson Divinity School, Samford University. He is the author or editor of several books, including The New Perspective on Grace, The Word of the Cross, and God’s Two Words.
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Tue, 09 Sep 2025 - 1h 07min - 78 - Miscarriage and the God of All Comfort with Brittany Lee Allen
In this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi talks with author Brittany Lee Allen about her book Lost Gifts: Miscarriage, Grief, and the God of All Comfort. Brittany opens up about her experience with recurring miscarriage and the peace she has found in Christ amid deep loss. Together, Kelsi and Brittany discuss both helpful and unhelpful ways we talk about miscarriage, and how—even though God doesn’t promise to remove our suffering—He does promise to be present with us in it.
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Tue, 26 Aug 2025 - 52min - 77 - Christian Identity and Vocation in Belfast
In the final Summer Break episode, Kelsi chats with Caleb and Nathan from @theologyontherise the 2021 movie, Belfast, and what it means to be given and identity rather than create one. They discuss how Belfast's main character, Buddy, wrestles with who he is as his parents simultaneously wrestle with a big family decision and where, while more descriptive than prescriptive, they see examples of Christian vocation throughout the film.
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Sat, 26 Jul 2025 - 55min - 76 - Tony Stark and the Infinity Saga: Eucatastrophe and Sacrifice
In this episode of Outside Ourselves Summer Break, 1517 executive director, Scott Keith, joins Kelsi to talk about the Marvel Cinematic Universe and specifically, the character arc of Tony Stark or Iron Man over the course of the Avengers: Infinity Saga series. Scott explains how J.R.R. Tolkien's term, eucatastrophe, is at play in the series. The two conclude that the hero's journey works as long as the hero emulated is Christ himself, and also discuss how we all long for a hero who doesn't lecture us, but saves us.
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Tue, 15 Jul 2025 - 41min - 75 - Law and Gospel in Jane Eyre
In this episode of Outside Ourselves: Summer Break, author, 1517 contributor, and internet theology whiz kid, Amy Mantravadi discuss theological themes in Charlotte Bronte's novel, Jane Eyre. Amy makes the argument that Jane's character development traces a law-gospel dynamic with Jane moving from a place of shame and condemnation to ultimately, resurrection.
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Tue, 01 Jul 2025 - 39min - 74 - Severance and a Theology of Suffering
Kelsi talks with pastor, author, and 1517 contributor, Bradley Gray, about themes of suffering in Apple TV's series, Severance. The two explore how the show reveals humanity's inability to escape suffering before turning to the Christian answer for pain, grief, and ultimately death.
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Tue, 17 Jun 2025 - 36min - 73 - Wicked and the Gift of Limitations with Ken Sundet Jones
In this first episode of Outside Ourselves Summer Break series, Kelsi chats with Reformation Theology professor (and Broadway Musical Buff), Ken Sundet Jones, about the connections between Wicked and a theology of glory/theology of the cross. The two focus in on Elphaba's desire to live without limitation and where this desire leads - ironically not to freedom and goodness, but to wickedness and bondage.
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Tue, 03 Jun 2025 - 43min - 72 - Sin and the Christian Life with Luke Kjolhaug
Kelsi is joined by author and pastor, Luke Kjolhaug, to talk about his new book, Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer to the Christian Life. Luke lays out a biblical defense of simul iustus et peccator, or the idea that in this life, the Christian remains wholly sinful while also being wholly justified. The two talk about the importance of imputation when it comes to understanding the simul, what sanctification really is, and both the offense and good news of the sinner-saint doctrine.
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Tue, 20 May 2025 - 1h 03min - 71 - The Dangers of Gospel Drift with Jared C. Wilson
Jared C. Wilson joins Kelsi to chat about his latest book, Lest We Drift: Five Departure Dangers from the One True Gospel. In the book, Jared has identified the potential and problems with evangelical departures from gospel-centrality. In this conversation, Jared defines "gospel-centeredness" and then goes through the five key dangers he's identified in the book.
Jared C. Wilson serves as Assistant Professor of Pastoral Ministry, Author in Residence, and General Editor, For the Church. In addition, he serves as the director of the Pastoral Training Center at Liberty Baptist Church. He’s the author of numerous books, including The Storied Life, Gospel Wakefulness, The Prodigal Church (a World Magazine Book of the Year in 2016), The Pastor’s Justification, Supernatural Power for Everyday People, and The Gospel Driven Church.
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Wed, 07 May 2025 - 1h 03min - 70 - The Urgency of Grace with David Zahl
David Zahl joins Kelsi to talk about his new book, The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace for a Worn-Out World.
David Zahl is the director of Mockingbird Ministries and editor-in-chief of the Mockingbird website. David and his wife Cate reside in Charlottesville, VA with their three boys, where David also serves on the staff of Christ Episcopal Church. He is the author ofSeculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technlogy, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What To Do About It and Low Anthropology: The Unlikely Key to a Gracious View of Yourself.
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Tue, 22 Apr 2025 - 1h 00min - 69 - Assurance of Salvation with Mark Mattes
In this episode, Kelsi chats with theologian Mark Mattes about his new release with 1517 Publishing, Ditching the Checklist: Assurance of Salvation for Evangelicals (and Other Sinners). The two discuss the history and inner-workings of “Decision Theology” and why this theology ultimately leads people to the question, “Am I really saved?” without a helpful or true answer. In response, Mark suggests Scripture primarily presents salvation and faith in Christ as something passive (like birth) done to us. As a result, instead of looking to our works as a means of assurance, Christians can look with certainty to God’s sacramental promises and efficacious word.
Mark Mattes serves as Professor of Theology and Philosophy at Grand View University in Des Moines, Iowa, and previously served parishes in Gardner, Illinois, and Antigo, Wisconsin. He holds a Ph.D. from the University of Chicago, and an M.Div from Luther Seminary. Mattes has authored Martin Luther’s Theology of Beauty: A Reappraisal and The Role of Justification in Contemporary Theology, and has co-authored Imaging the Journey, co-translated Theology the Lutheran Way by Oswald Bayer, co-edited the collected papers of Gerhard Forde, A More Radical Gospel and The Preached God, and is an Associate Editor for Lutheran Quarterly.
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YoutubeTue, 08 Apr 2025 - 58min - 68 - Forty Facets of the Ascension with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
Sarah Hinlicky Wilson is back to talk about her latest book, Forty Facets of the Ascension. She breaks down the two Biblical accounts of the Ascension in Luke and Acts and talks about what the ascension tells us (and what it doesn't tell us) about Jesus as well as what it means for Christians. Find her kickstarter for the book linked below! Sarah Hinlicky Wilson is a prolific author of theology, fiction, and poetry. She is the founder of Thornbush Press and hosts the podcast Queen of the Sciences: Conversations between a Theologian and Her Dad. Born and raised in the U.S., Sarah has lived in Slovakia, France, and Japan.
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Tue, 25 Mar 2025 - 1h 02min - 67 - Legalism and the Book of Galatians with R.L. Solberg
In today’s episode, Kelsi chats with theologian and author R.L. Solberg about his apologetic ministry, which focuses on providing a defense of historical and scriptural Christianity in response to Torahism or the Hebrew Roots movement. Robert lays out some of the issues with Torahism before talking about his newest book, The Law, the Christ, and the Promise: A Verse-by-Verse Apologetics Bible Study through Galatians. One primary goal of the book is to show how Paul’s response to the Judaizers in his day still relates to the way we combat legalism in ours. The Law, the Christ, and the Promise is now available for preorder. R. L. Solberg is an author, apologist, and professor of theology based in Nashville, TN. He runs an apologetics/teaching ministry called Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity and is known for communicating on complex topics with clarity and grace.
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Tue, 11 Mar 2025 - 1h 12min - 66 - A Very Friendly Debate: The Third Use of the Law
In a new segment of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi hosts theologians Robert Kolb and Steven Paulson for a debate on the third use of the law. Dr. Kolb argues the third use of the law is an essential way in which the law functions within the life of the Christian to guide them to serve and love their neighbor, or as he likes to say, to "give shape to their good works." In contrast, Dr. Paulson argues that, Biblically speaking ,there are only two uses of the law: the first use, which curbs evil, and the second which reveals our unrighteousness and drives sinners to Christ. His interpretation relies heavily on the Reformation doctrine that we are simultaneously sinful and righteous. Because of this, Paulson contends that the law always addresses the old man, functioning to accuse and kill, while the new man in Christ remains free from the law. For Paulson, the gospel alone—not the law—defines both good works and the Christian life.
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Kelsi chats with pastor and author, Donavon Riley, about his forthcoming book, The Impossible Prize: A Theology of Addiction. The book and conversation explore how Martin Luther's theology, specifically the reformation doctrine of Simul Iustus et Peccator can inform our understanding of addiction as well as recovery.
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Tue, 25 Feb 2025 - 1h 10min - 64 - The Craft of Preaching with Bob Hiller
Pastor Bob Hiller joins Kelsi to discuss all things preaching: what is the content and aim of preaching? How does the Lutheran definition differ from other traditions? Pastor Hiller answers all this and more.
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Tue, 11 Feb 2025 - 1h 11min - 63 - Walking through Deconstruction with Ian Harber
Kelsi chats with Christian author Ian Harber about his new book, Walking through Deconstruction: How to be a Companion in a Crisis of Faith, which details his own experience with with Christian deconstruction and return to faith.
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Tue, 28 Jan 2025 - 1h 11min - 62 - Good News for Church Burnouts
This week we are playing Kelsi's talk from October's 1517 HWSS conference.
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In the final Outside Ourselves episode of 2024, Kelsi interviews Pastor Magnus Persson about his personal journey from successful charismatic pastor to a minister in the Swedish Evangelical Lutheran Church. Magnus talks about what it's like pastoring in the most secular country in the world as a part of the state church and what he thinks evangelism looks like for the church moving forward.
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Tue, 31 Dec 2024 - 52min - 60 - A Novel of the Reformation with Amy Mantravadi
In this episode, Kelsi talks with author, Amy Mantravadi, about her new historical novel Broken Bonds: A Novel of the Reformation, released by 1517 Publishing last month. Amy talks about her journey to Reformation theology and history, and why she decided to write a novel detailing the feud between Erasmus and Martin Luther which began in 1524. Amy Mantravadi lives in Dayton, Ohio with her husband, Jai, and their son, Thomas. She holds a B.A. in biblical literature and political science from Taylor University and received her M.A. in international security from King's College London. In addition to writing essays on theological topics, she also writes historical fiction and has two novels about the Reformation forthcoming. She also previously hosted the (A)Millennial podcast.
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Tue, 10 Dec 2024 - 1h 12min - 58 - Christian Experience with Simeon Zahl
In this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi talks with Theologian Simeon Zahl about his book, The Holy Spirit and Christian Experience. Simeon argues there is a long history of Christian experience, particularly as it's defined by human emotion, not only throughout Christian history but also within the works of the Martin Luther and Philip Melanchthon. He has worked to reconcile liturgical traditions with this history in order to try and reclaim an emphasis on Christian experience that deepens and broadens our understanding of the faith.
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Tue, 26 Nov 2024 - 55min - 57 - The Doctrine of Election with Flame: Live from HWSS
This is a recording of the live Outside Ourselves interview with Flame at this year's HWSS conference. In this conversation, Kelsi asks Flame about how his understanding of the doctrine of election has changed.
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Wed, 13 Nov 2024 - 42min - 56 - How Would Luther Vote? with Bruce Hillman and Adam Francisco
This week, Kelsi finishes her two-part conversation with Bruce Hillman and Adam Francisco with a look at Martin Luther's Two Kingdoms Doctrine, and especially the lefthanded or earthly realm. What did Luther think about the role of government in his day and age? Like many things with Luther, it's complicated. The show wraps up with some comparison between Augustine and Luther.
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Tue, 29 Oct 2024 - 50min - 55 - How Would Augustine Vote? with Adam Francisco and Bruce Hillman
In today's episode, Kelsi is joined by 1517's Adam Francisco and Bruce Hillman to discuss the way in which politics and government is written about in the New Testament as well as St. Augustine's political theory. This is part 1 of a two-part conversation. The next episode will take a closer look at Martin Luther's Two Kingdom's doctrine.
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Kelsi chats with author, Tara-Leigh Cobble, about her love of Scripture as well as her book, the Joy of the Trinity. Tara-Leigh Cobble's zeal for Biblical literacy is at the heart of everything she creates. Her goal is to help people read, understand, and love Scripture. Her daily podcast, "The Bible Recap,” guides listeners through a chronological 1-Year Bible reading plan. The podcast has over 330 million downloads and reached #1 on the Apple Podcast Charts in All Categories. She created and leads D-Group International, which has grown into an international network of 300+ weekly Bible studies that meet in homes, churches, and online. She also writes and hosts a daily radio show called "The God Shot" and leads trips to Israel to study the Bible on site. Her book The Bible Recap (Baker / Bethany House) and Bible study He’s Where the Joy Is (Lifeway) are outlets for understanding Scripture as a whole and the Trinity in particular. She lives in Dallas, TX, where she has no pets, children, or anything that might die if she forgets to feed it.
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Tue, 01 Oct 2024 - 47min - 53 - Junk Drawer Jesus with Matt Popovits
Kelsi talks with Pastor Matt Popovits about his forthcoming book, Junk Drawer Jesus: Discarding Your Spiritual Clutter and Rediscovering the Supremacy of Grace. Matt details some of the most common misconceptions people tend to have about who God is (and what that means about them), including the ways we measure our spirituality, how we try and find our identity in our work, and that we falsely assume that happiness should be our ultimate aim in life.
Matt Popovits currently serves as Lead Pastor of St. Mark Houston, in Houston, Texas. Matt is a graduate of both Concordia Seminary in St. Louis, MO and of the University of Michigan-Flint department of Theatre and Dance. He and his high school sweetheart, Lisa, have two children: Ava Elise and Jack Matthew.
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Tue, 17 Sep 2024 - 56min - 52 - Psychedelics and Jesus with Ashley Lande
In this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi chats with author and writer, Ashley Lande about her forthcoming book, The Thing that Would Make Everything Okay Forever. In the book and in this conversation, Ashley talks about how she found Jesus Christ after years of using psychedelics.
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Tue, 03 Sep 2024 - 1h 06min - 51 - Deborah and the Book of Judges with Sandra Richter
Kelsi is joined by Sandra Richter to discuss the portrayal of women throughout the Old Testament before honing in on the story of Deborah in Judges 4-5, specifically. Kelsi asks Dr. Richter questions about viewing Deborah’s leadership as normative, and the role and office of prophet and prophetess throughout Scripture. Together, the two discuss the good news within the darkness of Judges and the Christocentric end to Deborah and Barak’s battle and victory against Sisera.
The Gundry Chair of Biblical Studies at Westmont College and a graduate of Harvard University, Dr. Richter has dedicated her career to making Scripture accessible andrelevant to contemporary audiences. She has applied her many years in the classroom, her technical research, and her years of archaeological experience to writing books and Bible studies and creating videos that bring the Bible to life for the current generation.
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Tue, 20 Aug 2024 - 1h 07min - 50 - American and Charismatic Christianity with Andy Squyres
In this conversation with musician and writer, Andy Squyres, Kelsi asks about Andy's theological background and why he remains a Charismatic Christian. The two talk about some of the pros and cons of the Charismatic movement, the affects of deconstruction, and their hope for the future of Christianity in America. Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 04:00 Andy’s Background 11:30 The grace doorway 16:00 What can the High Church learn from Charismatics? 24:00 The impact of low anthropology on Andy’s humor 34:00 Barriers in American Christianity 41:00 Christ as Reality 45:00 A Post-Christian Era? 52:00 The freedom of vocation 56:00 Andy’s writing 1:00:00 The gut feeling of assurance 1:02:30 The people of perpetual disappointment 1:07:30 Wrapping up and Poet Priest Volume 3
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Thu, 08 Aug 2024 - 1h 10min - 49 - Navigating Theology and Marriage with Doug Klembara
Kelsi and her husband, Doug Klembara, share how they navigated their theological differences in the early days of marriage. Together, they recount some of the major disagreements they had and how looking at Scripture and seeking out wise counsel eventually lead them to a place of agreement that has had an impact not only on their marriage, but their vocations and parenting. Doug is an entrepreneur and the Creative Director at 1517.
Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 06:45 Why this episode? 10:00 Doug’s theological background 18:00 Kelsi’s theological background 22:30 Differences coming to a head 28:30 Helpful influences 32:40 The distinction between law and gospel 35:00 Baptism’s Connection to Predestination 40:00 The Gifts of Scripture and Curiosity 43:00 Differences in Worship 48:00 Unreasonable Hospitality 52:20 Christocentric Theology 55:00 Why we go to a Lutheran Church 57:15 Impact of theology on our parenting
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Tue, 23 Jul 2024 - 1h 03min - 48 - The Authority of Scripture with Jacob Smith
Kelsi chats with the Reverend Jacob Smith about the authority of Scripture - how we define it and what it means for us - both Christian and non-Christian. Jacob works to define Scripture as authoritative not because it's a handbook for better living, but because it reveals Christ crucified for your sins. The two chat about Jacob's background, how he came into ministry, and the role evidential and legal apologetics have played for him personally, and end on the comfort that comes from proclaiming a good news and truth that's success isn't dependent on us as it's messengers. The Reverend Jacob Smith is the Rector of Calvary - St. George. Jake was born on the Navajo Reservation and was raised in Yuma, Arizona. He graduated from the University of Arizona in 2000 with a BA in History, with an emphasis in Near Eastern Studies. He received his M. Div from Trinity Episcopal in May, 2006. Jacob was ordained to the diaconate on June 3, 2006 in the Episcopal Diocese of San Diego, and ordained a presbyter at Calvary Church on December 3, 2006.
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Tue, 09 Jul 2024 - 52min - 47 - Bonus Episode: Hitchhiking with Prophets with Chad Bird
In this bonus episode, Chad Bird joins Kelsi in person to discuss his newest book, Hitchhiking with Prophets: A Ride through the Salvation Story of the Old Testament, which is out next week! Hitchhiking with Prophets follows the characters of the Old Testament as they guide us to Christ. Kelsi and Chad talk about why Chad wrote this book, who the book is for, and what he hopes to leave readers with. Chad Bird is a Scholar in Residence at 1517. He has served as a pastor, professor, and guest lecturer in Old Testament and Hebrew. He holds master's degrees from Concordia Theological Seminary and Hebrew Union College. He has contributed articles to Christianity Today, The Gospel Coalition, Modern Reformation, The Federalist, Lutheran Forum, and other journals and websites. He is also the author of several books, including The Christ Key & Limping with God.
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Fri, 05 Jul 2024 - 43min - 46 - Finding God in the Darkness with Bradley Gray
1517 Contributor and pastor, Bradley Gray, joins Kelsi to talk about his incredible book, Finding God in the Darkness: Hopeful Reflections from the Pit of Depression, Despair, and Disappointment, and specifically, how he sees God responding to suffering throughout Scripture. Bradley asserts Martin Luther's theology of the cross as a helpful backdrop by which to view all human suffering, and specifically the suffering caused by mental illness. Kelsi asks Brad his opinions on a recent comments over mental illness from a well-known pastor and the two discuss both harmful and helpful ways the church can offer comfort to those who find themselves suffering bouts of depressions, despair, and disappointment. Bradley Gray is pastor of Stonington Baptist Church in Paxinos, PA, where he lives with his wife, Natalie, and their three children. His writing and research are especially focused on pastoral theology and the theological development of the Reformation. Finding God in the Darkness was named as a 2023 finalist in the New Author category of the ECPA Christian Book Awards.
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Tue, 25 Jun 2024 - 1h 05min - 45 - A Theology of Relationships with Robert Kolb
In this episode, Kelsi interviews Dr. Robert Kolb about his newest book, Face to Face: Luther's View of Reality. In Face to Face, Dr. Kolb argues that Martin Luther's theology is underpinned by his understanding of relationships, both how Christians came "face to face" with God (Coram Deo) and "face to face" with the world (Coram Mundo). It's these relationships that give us reality itself. Dr. Kolb is professor emeritus of Systematic Theology at Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, Missouri, and a world-renowned authority on Martin Luther and the history of the Reformation.
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Tue, 11 Jun 2024 - 58min - 44 - Boys, Men, and the Freedom of the Gospel with Anthony Bradley
Dr. Anthony Bradley serves as a distinguished research fellow at The Acton Institute and Research Professor of Interdisciplinary and Theological Studies at Kuyper College. He joins Kelsi to discuss his research, interest, and writing on the boy and man crisis and how he believes the Christus Victor articulation of the gospel – or Christ's victory over sin, death and the devil on the cross – has powerful implications for ridding men of shame and giving them a larger purpose to serve their neighbor.
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Tue, 28 May 2024 - 1h 11min - 43 - Hope in Special-Needs Parenting with Celeste Shally
During a live recording at the HWSS NWA conference, Kelsi was joined by author Celeste Shally to discuss her book, While We Wait: Clinging to Christ in the Trenches of Special-Needs Parenting. Celeste details how her experience as a mom of Cooper, who has both autism and intellectual disability, has changed her view of suffering and vocation. She also talks about how special-needs parenting has highlighted God's grace and promises in the now and not yet for both her and Cooper.
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Tue, 14 May 2024 - 51min - 42 - Encouragement for Motherhood with Katie Koplin
1517 Contributor, Katie Koplin, joins Kelsi to talk about her new devotional, Encouragement for Motherhood which is a compilation of devotionals for moms, written by moms. Kelsi and Katie talk about their experiences in motherhood, how mom's are often primed to hear the gospel and absolution, and how freedom in Christ allows moms to work in their vocation and love their children without looking for their ultimate value and righteousness in this good work.
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Tue, 30 Apr 2024 - 1h 02min - 41 - Preaching the Gospel Constantly with Haroldo Camacho
1517 Contributor, Haroldo Camacho, joins Kelsi to talk about how he found himself - without any previous background in Luther's works or Lutheranism - unexpectedly translating Luther's Commentary on Galatians in both Spanish and English. Kelsi and Haroldo touch on the need to constantly hear the gospel preached and the current opportunity to proclaim the gospel in Latin America and Central America - not simply as a conversion message but as both the central message of God's word for all people, in all circumstances.
Haroldo Camacho lives with his wife, Mercedes, and son, Orlando, in Davie, Florida. He obtained his doctorate from the School of Theology at Claremont in 1991 and served many years as a Certified Court Interpreter with the Judicial Council of California. He has translated Luther’s Commentary on the Epistle to the Galatians (1535) to both Spanish and English.
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Tue, 16 Apr 2024 - 1h 06min - 40 - The Gospel According to Revelation with Erick Sorensen
Many of us stay away from spending too much time in the book of Revelation out of fear or intimidation. This is exactly why today’s guest, Erick Sorensen, decided to dive into the book and differing interpretations. In today’s show, Erick not only answers Kelsi’s questions on the various approaches to Revelation and Christian eschatology, but offers a guide on how to rightly read Revelation with Christ and his kingdom at the center. Erick Sorensen is in charge of Church Partnerships in the Development Department at 1517. Prior to joining 1517, Erick served as a pastor for 16 years. He hosts the Law & Gospel Devotional on 1517’s YouTube channel, co-hosts the 30 Minutes in the New Testament and Field Guide to the Bible podcasts, and is co-author of Scandalous Stories: A Sort of Commentary on the Parables. Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 1:20 About Erick 4:03 Theological background 7:20 The importance of experience in theology 8:55 Erick’s interest in the book of Revelation 13:05 Typical roadblocks to reading Revelation 15:00 Apocalyptic Literature 18:45 The first verse of Revelation 20:20 Two opinions on when Revelation was written 25:00 Four views on how to read Revelation 32:00 Three views on the end times 40:15 Literal or Metaphorical? 43:38 More background on Revelation 47:51 Tension between condemnation and comfort within Eschatology 52:30 The truth about the rapture 56:00 Trust not in princes 58:50 Who is the Antichrist? 1:01:43 The Good News of Revelation 1:04:50 More from Erick Show Notes:
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Tue, 02 Apr 2024 - 1h 08min - 39 - Poetry, Lent, and the Hope of Easter with Rachel Welcher
Author and Poet, Rachel Welcher, joins Kelsi to talk about her collection of poems entitled, "Two Funerals, then Easter" in which Rachel shares personal stories of both grief and joy. Kelsi and Rachel talk about some of the characteristics of poetry, including honesty, double meanings and unresolved endings and how these characteristics often mirror both Scripture and the Christian life in general. Rachel also shares some wisdom on getting through Lent during difficult seasons in life and how Jesus' resurrection remains the anchor for her hope in this life and the resurrected life to come.
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Fri, 22 Mar 2024 - 55min - 38 - Honesty, Humor, and the Human Condition with Andy Gullahorn
Kelsi chats with singer/songwriter, Andy Gullahorn, about his writing process and the impact of ending stories with the good news of grace and the gospel. She asks Andy about the role of honesty and humor in his music, and Andy talks about the important role community plays in his life as a source of both law and gospel.
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Wed, 06 Mar 2024 - 58min - 37 - Perfectionism and Its Problems with Elyse Fitzpatrick
Author and speaker, Elyse Fitzpatrick, talks with Kelsi about the condemnation and accusation of the law, and as a result, how no one is able to truly achieve perfectionism. The two discuss what remedies the gospel offers us to this condemnation through Christ's perfect righteousness which is not only given through his active obedience but through his death and resurrection.
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Tue, 20 Feb 2024 - 55min - 36 - Dying a Good Death with Ken Jones
In this episode of Outside Ourselves, pastor and professor, Ken Jones, helps tackle the question, "What Does it Mean to Die a Good Death?" His answer, of course, has much to do with life and - in particular - the new life given to us through the death and resurrection of Jesus. Using his background in 16th century funeral preaching, Kelsi and Ken also discuss how Martin Luther defined a good death in comparison to the religion of his day and age.
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Tue, 06 Feb 2024 - 1h 03min - 35 - Understanding Biblical Prophecy with Chris Rosebrough
In this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi chats with Chris Rosebrough from @Fighting4theFaith about how to correctly understand biblical prophecy. Chris shares about his personal history with false prophets and his work to point people to Christ crucified for the forgiveness of sins through the Scriptures as a pastor and podcaster.
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Tue, 23 Jan 2024 - 59min - 34 - Reading the Bible in a Year with Chad Bird
In the first episode of 2024, Kelsi chats with 1517 Scholar in Residence, Chad Bird, about the benefits to reading the Bible in a Year, some helpful and guiltless ways to approach this goal and reading Scripture in general. For the second year in a row, Chad is leading people through reading the Bible in a Year according to the Blue Letter Bible Plan.
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Tue, 09 Jan 2024 - 52min - 33 - The Already, Now, and Not Yet of Advent with Freely Given
On today's episode, Kelsi chats with friends, Gretchen Ronnevik and Katie Koplin from the Freely Given Podcast, about the Advent season and how a fuller expansion into the three different arrivals or comings of Jesus changes how we understand and celebrate Advent.
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Tue, 19 Dec 2023 - 56min - 32 - Illustrating the Bible with Natasha Kennedy
In this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi chats with illustrator Natasha Kennedy about her illustrations in the FatCat Children Series books (Lexham Press). Natasha talks about her process and the ongoing theological and artistic decisions that are necessary to bring the Bible to life.
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Tue, 05 Dec 2023 - 53min - 31 - Marriage and Forgiveness with Harrison Scott Key
Kelsi interviews author Harrison Scott Key about his latest book, "How to Stay Married: The Most Insane Love Story Ever Told." The two discuss what daily forgiveness looks like in marriage - and other close relationships - and how honesty about our own flaws and failures is essential if we want others to be honest with us as well. Consider this an episode on all things concerning how to love your neighbor well!
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Tue, 21 Nov 2023 - 1h 05min - 30 - Gospel Clarity with Theocast
On this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi is joined by Jon and Justin of @THEOCAST to talk about all things having to do with gospel clarity. If you haven't listened to the Theocast, consider this your introduction.
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Tue, 07 Nov 2023 - 1h 06min - 29 - C.S. Lewis and the Chronicles of Narnia with Michael Ward
Dr. Michael Ward is an English literary critic and theologian. He works at the University of Oxford where he is a member of the Faculty of Theology and Religion. He is the author of the award-winning Planet Narnia: The Seven Heavens in the Imagination of C.S. Lewis. He joins Kelsi to discuss the theory behind Planet Narnia which asserts that C.S. Lewis intentionally tied each of his seven Chronicles directly to one of the seven planets: the sun, the moon, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Mercury, and Mars. This theory makes Lewis' work within the Chronicles not only much more intentional and intricate, but also has theological implications for how the author would have wanted readers to interact with his famous children's series.
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Tue, 24 Oct 2023 - 52min - 28 - Law, Gospel, and the Parables with Daniel Emery Price
Kelsi and Daniel Emery Price talk about the function and telos of the law and the gospel before jumping into Dan’s book, Scandalous Stories: A Sort of Commentary on the Parables, and their discussion on what can go wrong when reading the parables and the reason Jesus uses them in the first place. Daniel Emery Price is the 1517 Operations Executive. He is also an author, church and conference speaker, and co-host of the podcasts 40 Minutes in the Old Testament and 30 Minutes in the New Testament. Daniel has served as a church planter, pastor and worship leader and currently lives in Northwest Arkansas, with his wife and two daughters.
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Tue, 10 Oct 2023 - 1h 06min - 27 - Vocation and Evangelism with Loso
Loso is a hip-hop recording artist and one of the world's top battle rappers. He chats with Kelsi about what it looks like to be a Christian within the world of battle rap, the importance of authentic relationships when it comes to evangelism, and how vocation doesn't always include having a five year plan for your life.
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Tue, 26 Sep 2023 - 52min - 26 - The Doctrine of Creation with Lydia Jaeger
Dr. Lydia Jaeger discusses her book, Ordinary Splendor, with Kelsi and the implications of the doctrine of creation for the Christian's life. She answers Kelsi's questions about why a Biblical doctrine of creation is helpful and necessary for understanding who God is and what good gifts he gives us.
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This week’s episode is a conversation between author John Bryant and Kelsi about John’s new book (out in September), A Quiet Mind to Suffer With: Mental Illness, Trauma, and the Death of Christ. John writes about what Christ’s suffering on the cross means for his own suffering with obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD). He talks to Kelsi about why he decided to write the book and how healing and recovery don’t always look like we would like and yet how we can rely on Christ’s mercy to be present for us all the same.
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Tue, 29 Aug 2023 - 1h 05min - 24 - Christian Parenting and the Future of the Church with Melina Smith
As Gen Z and Gen Alpha grow into adolescence and early adulthood, what hope should we have for the future of the church? Founder and Executive Director of Storymakers, Melina Smith, joins Kelsi to talk about the Storymakers approach to teaching kids about the historical Christian faith through connection, empathy, and trust that the Holy Spirit works wherever God’s word is preached.
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Tue, 15 Aug 2023 - 55min - 23 - Aliens and Christianity with Adam Francisco
In view of recent news events, Kelsi has Adam Francisco on to the theological implications of the existence of aliens and UAPs. Adam Francisco is Director of Academics and scholar in residence at 1517. He earned his DPhil from the University of Oxford and has two decades of experience teaching history, philosophy, and theology. He is cohost of The Thinking Fellows podcast, author of a number of books, articles, and translations, and popular speaker on the topics of Christian apologetics, worldview, and the religion of Islam.
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Return of The God Hypothesis by Stephen Myer
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Tue, 01 Aug 2023 - 55min - 22 - The Relationship Between Faith and Reason with David Andersen
Author David Andersen joins Kelsi to discuss his book, "What Can We Really Know? The Strengths and Limits of Human Understanding" and how the study of knowledge leads us to some inevitable truths about ourselves and the limits of knowledge, in general. The discussion then turns to the relationship between reason and faith and the assertion that, as Christian's, it important we recognize and use both. 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kelsi on Twitter Kelsi's Newsletter Subscribe to the Show: Apple Podcasts Spotify Youtube More from David: What Can We Really Know? by David Andersen Faithless to Fearless by David Andersen
Tue, 18 Jul 2023 - 1h 06min - 21 - The Limits and Expanse of Christian Belief with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
Sarah Hinlicky Wilson joins Kelsi to talk about her new novel, A Tumblin' Down, the good and bad of church community, and how the Christian belief isn't always best defined by our own self-reflection. Sarah is Associate Pastor at Tokyo Lutheran Church and the Founder of Thornbush Press.
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Tue, 04 Jul 2023 - 1h 00min - 20 - Living as Sinners and Saints with Steven Paulson
Kelsi speaks with 1517 Senior Scholar in Residence, Dr. Steven Paulson, about the somewhat understated and yet essential Reformation idea that the Christian is simul iustus et peccator (simul), or simultaneously sinner and saint in this life. Dr. Paulson clarifies that the simul is not a matter of progress but instead the action of Christ separating two distinct wholes in us further and further apart. He also encourages the listener to practice ignoring what our feelings and actions as sinners tell us, while tuning our ears to instead hear and trust who Christ says we are as his raised-to-new-life saints.
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Thu, 22 Jun 2023 - 1h 14min - 19 - The Art of Gospel Communication with Tanner Olson
Author and poet, Tanner Olson, joins Kelsi to talk about creativity and communicating hope. Together, Tanner and Kelsi discuss the difference between delivering the gospel directly and indirectly and the importance of both.
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Thu, 08 Jun 2023 - 53min - 18 - Identity and Holistic Spirituality with John Kleinig
Theologian and Biblical Scholar, John Kleinig, joins Kelsi to discuss his book, Wonderfully Made, and the vision the Bible gives us for God's redemptive plan as a wholly physical, spiritual, mental, and emotional endeavor. He talks about the dangers in splintering portions of our humanness and discusses how he approaches healing from a pastoral perspective.
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Wonderfully Made: A Protestant Theology of the Body by John Kleinig
God’s Word: A Guide to Holy Scripture by John Kleinig
How to Do Things with Words by John Austin
Thu, 25 May 2023 - 55min - 17 - Who's Afraid of Deconstruction? with Bruce Hillman
With Christian deconstruction on the rise, 1517 Scholar in Residence Bruce Hillman joins Kelsi to properly define (and defend!) deconstruction according to its original definition within postmodern philosophy. Far from a boogeyman to avoid, Bruce advocates that deconstruction can serve as a helpful tool within the Christian life, specifically when it comes to confronting sin and challenging preconceived biases.
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The Gift of Death by Jacques Derrida
Mere Orthodoxy Article on Deconstruction and the Theology of the Cross
Exclusion and Embrace by Miraslov Volf
Who's Afraid of Postmodernism by James K.A. Smith
Thu, 11 May 2023 - 1h 08min - 16 - Suffering and Grief with Sarah Condon
Sarah Condon is an Episcopalian priest, author, and co-host of the Mockingcast Podcast. In today’s episode, she shares her experience with grief and suffering after the death of her parents, and talks with Kelsi about how the gentleness of Jesus during times of loss changes everything.
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Thu, 20 Apr 2023 - 56min - 15 - An Intro to Christ's Atonement with Caleb Keith
Caleb Keith joins Kelsi to discuss Christ's atonement and the most common theories of the atonement, including Substitution, Christus Victor, and Exemplar or Moral. Caleb also reminds listeners that pitting these theories against each other is neither Scriptural nor helpful to remaining centered on Christ's death and resurrection for you. Caleb Keith is the Director of 1517 Podcasts and co-host for both the Thinking Fellows and Outlaw God Podcasts. Support Outside Ourselves
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Thu, 06 Apr 2023 - 1h 09min - 14 - Jane Grizzle and Bodily Limitations
Writer Jane Grizzle talks on what the body’s limitations can teach us about God’s work for us, and how despite our suffering and brokenness, his promise to redeem us comes through the broken body of Christ. Jane is a writer for Mockingbird Ministries and writes about the intersect between theology and everyday life.
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Low Anthropology by David Zahl
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Jane’s Book List:Everything Happens for a Reason: And Other Lies I’ve Loved by Kate Bowler
Broken Body Healing Spirit: Lectio Divine and Living with Illnessby Mary C. Earle
Being Human: Bodies, Minds, Personsby Rowan Williams
The Invisible Kingdom: Reimagining Chronic Illness by Meghan O’Rourke
Wonderfully Made: A Protestant Theology of the Body by John Kleinig
Mon, 27 Mar 2023 - 48min - 13 - Phillip Cary and the Nicene Creed
Dr. Phillip Cary joins Kelsi to discuss his newest book, The Nicene Creed: An Introduction, which leads to conversations about the two natures of Christ and the importance of church tradition in guarding against heresies, among other topics. Dr. Cary teaches philosophy at Eastern University and is the author of several books covering both philosophy and theology, including Good News for Anxious Christians.
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Thu, 09 Mar 2023 - 1h 02min - 12 - Robert Kolb and Two Kinds of Righteousness
Renowned Luther scholar and professor emeritus of Systematic Theology at Concordia Seminary St. Louis, Dr. Robert Kolb, sits down with Kelsi to discuss two kinds of righteousness (or two fold righteousness) and his latest edited volume, The Alien and the Proper: Luther's Two-Fold Righteousness in Controversy, Ministry, and Citizenship. Dr. Kolb provides some helpful definitions for what the Bible means when it comes to righteousness and how we should most often view God’s grace. He talks about how Martin Luther came to understand God’s passive righteousness given to his children through their justification in Christ’s work on the cross and our resulting active righteousness when it comes to serving our neighbors in this life. Kelsi asks Dr. Kolb why and how these two types of righteousness so often get confused for the Christian, and together they work to untangle the proper placement for each, landing squarely on the continual need to return to God’s word and our salvation given through God’s grace and mercy in Christ - apart from any good works we do.
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Show Notes:The Alien and the Proper: Luther’s Two-Fold Righteousness in Controversy, Ministry, and Citizenship edited by Robert Kolb
The Genius of Luther's Theology: A Wittenberg Way of Thinking for the Contemporary Church by Robert Kolb and Charles P. Arand
Justification by Faith: A Matter of Death and Life by Gerhard O. Forde
Where God Meets Man: Luther's Down-to-Earth Approach to the Gospel by Gerhard O. Forde
Martin Luther’s Commentary on St. Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians (1535) transcribed by Students and Presented in Today’s English, trans. by Haroldo CamachoThu, 23 Feb 2023 - 1h 02min - 11 - Jessica Thompson and the Love of Jesus
Jessica Thompson joins Kelsi to chat about her newest book, He Loved Them: Discovering Jesus' Heart for Seekers, Sinners, Doubters, and the Discouraged (and Other People Like Us), in which Jessica writes about the specific ways Jesus loved all types of people during his ministry on earth. Kelsi and Jessica discuss what these examples mean for us and those we find most challenging to love and how, no matter who we identify with, Christ's ultimate example of love for every sinner is displayed through his death on the cross.
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Lexham Press associate publisher, Todd Hains, joins Kelsi in this episode to discuss his book, Martin Luther and the Rule of Faith, and the importance of reading and interpreting Scripture based upon the ancient catechism, or rule of faith. Kelsi asks how the catechism - comprised of the 10 Commandments, the Lord’s Prayer, and the Apostles’ Creed - came to be, and how we can assert it’s authority as an interpretive norm for the entirety of Scripture. Todd argues that it’s the generality of the catechism that, in fact, gives it specificity in our lives.
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The Care of Souls by Harold SenkbeilChrist in Calamity: Grace and Gratitude in the Darkest Valleyby Harold Senkbeil
Thu, 26 Jan 2023 - 57min - 9 - Chad Bird and the Faith of the Old Testament Fathers
Old Testament Scholar and 1517 Scholar in Residence, Chad Bird, defines the Christian faith as seen through the eyes of the Old Testament Patriarchs. Chad answers questions clearing up some of the most famous chronicles in the lives of Abraham and Jacob and talks about his newest book, "Limping with God: Jacob & the Old Testament Guide to Messy Discipleship."
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40 Minutes in the New Testament
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A Severe Mercy by Sheldon VanaukenThu, 12 Jan 2023 - 54min - 8 - Dan van Voorhis and the History of Christmas
Historian and 1517 Scholar in Residence, Dan van Voorhis, gives an overview on the history of Christmas covering everything from Santa Claus to Christmas movies. He talks with Kelsi about the underlying magic of Christmas and how, in freedom, Christians can celebrate both secular and sacred Christmas traditions.
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CHA Christmas 2022Thu, 15 Dec 2022 - 49min - 7 - Advent Special: Hannah Anderson and When Heaven and Nature Sing
Join Kelsi and author Hannah Anderson in their discussion about the way in which we join with nature and the creation of all things in long for Christ's return during the season of Advent.
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SpotifyWed, 07 Dec 2022 - 37min - 6 - Flame and the Lutheran Distinction
Kelsi chats with acclaimed hip hop and rap artist, Flame, about why he has found a home in the doctrines and beliefs of Lutheranism. What is it about the solas, the sacraments, and other distinctly Lutheran beliefs that is both biblical and comforting for Christians today? And how can Lutherans do a better job at sharing these with those from other traditions?
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SpotifyThu, 01 Dec 2022 - 54min - 5 - Andy Squyres and Poet Priest Vol. 2
Writer and musician, Andy Squyres, talks with Kelsi about the grace and relief found in living a normal, mundane life and where to look for God in suffering. All of this and more in conjunction with Andy's latest installment of essays entitled, Poet Priest Volume II.
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Follow Andy on Instagram Andy Squyres Music Tour Purchase Poet Priest Volume II The Vow on HBO Selena Gomez My Mind and MeTo learn more, go to 1517.org/podcasts
Thu, 17 Nov 2022 - 48min
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