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Product for Product is a show hosted by Matt Green and Moshe Mikanovsky aimed at helping listeners navigate the growing depth of product management tools while also providing our insights into the categories that make up the PM role. We will take listeners with us on a journey of discovery through areas of product analytics, road mapping, productivity and many others. If you want to keep up with the latest in product management come along for the ride!
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- 162 - EP 161 - Stakeholder Alignment with Joy AdamsonWhen AI can summarize meetings, draft updates, and even recommend priorities, what remains uniquely human about stakeholder alignment? In this episode, product coach and advisor Joy Adamson joins Matt and Moshe to explore why alignment is still one of the most essential, and most human, parts of a product manager’s work.
As part of our First Principles for PMs in the Age of AI series, Joy shares why stakeholder alignment is much more than keeping people informed or collecting feature requests. It is the ongoing work of connecting organizational needs with real customer and user needs, creating shared understanding of priorities, navigating competing incentives, and building enough trust to make difficult tradeoffs together.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Joy:What stakeholder alignment really means, and why true alignment reduces the need for constant stakeholder managementWhy the word “stakeholder” itself can create friction when people assume their request should automatically become a roadmap itemHow PMs can set healthy boundaries, say no with clarity, and prevent feature requests from becoming unchallenged commitmentsWhy emotional intelligence, negotiation, trust, and informal relationship-building remain critical product skillsThe difference between simply considering stakeholder input and actually aligning on priorities, tradeoffs, and resource allocationHow hidden motivations, incentives, politics, and organizational culture shape product decisions in ways AI cannot fully understandWhere AI can help: meeting summaries, follow-ups, tailored stakeholder communications, preparation, and negotiation supportWhy AI-generated recommendations still need human oversight, accountability, and judgment, especially when trust, risk, or ambiguity are involvedCould AI agents eventually become stakeholders themselves? What that might mean for product teams and decision-makingWhy junior PMs should deliberately build their human relationship and influence skills as AI takes on more operational tasksAnd much more!Want to connect with Joy?Website: https://www.digitaljoy.nl/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamsonj/You can also connect with us and find more episodes:Product for Product Podcast: http://linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenproduct/Moshe Mikanovsky: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovskyNote: Any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 16 Sep 2026 - 161 - EP 160 - Vision & Strategy with John FontenotWe’re back with a familiar voice on the podcast: John Fontenot returns to continue our *First Principles for PMs in the Age of AI* series, this time focused on Vision and Strategy. In a conversation that blends product thinking, personal reflection, and a healthy dose of AI skepticism, John helps us explore what it really means for PMs to define where they’re going, and how to get there.
John defines vision as the desired end state or future outcome, and strategy as the path, phases, and tradeoffs required to reach it. With examples ranging from long-term business goals to the realities of regulated industries, he explains why product managers still need to lead on vision and strategy even when leadership doesn’t provide a clear direction, and why AI can support this work, but not fully own it.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with John:
What vision and strategy actually mean in product management, and why they’re easy to confuse - How to connect a big vision to practical milestones, obstacles, and key results Why AI can help with analysis and brainstorming, but can’t replace human creativity, empathy, or rule-breaking thinking - The limits of AI in regulated spaces like finance and healthcare, where context and compliance matter Why PMs often have to create strategy when the organization doesn’t hand it to them - How to use AI as a thinking partner without outsourcing your strategic judgment The balance between staying anchored in the long-term vision and adjusting to the realities of the market, user needs, and constraints John’s perspective on where product teams should be careful not to let AI flatten nuance or over-automate strategy And much more
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 02 Sep 2026 - 160 - EP 159 - Human Judgement and Empathy with Rebecca DouglasWe’re continuing our new series on "First Principles for PMs in the Age of AI" with a conversation about two things AI can support, but not replace: human judgment and empathy. In this episode, Rebecca Douglas joins Matt and Moshe to unpack why these skills matter even more as product teams lean harder on AI tools.
With 14+ years in product and a career that started in customer service and client relationships, Rebecca brings a grounded view of what product managers actually do when the stakes are real: prioritize tradeoffs, interpret messy context, build trust with stakeholders, and make decisions that AI can help inform but not own. Together, they explore where AI saves time, where it creates new risks, and why PMs still need to slow down, validate, and think deeply before shipping.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Rebecca:
What human judgment really means in product work, and why it matters most in prioritization, tradeoffs, and strategic decisions What empathy looks like in practice for PMs, especially when serving both users and non-users like legal, operations, and compliance teamsWhy AI can help with synthesis, documentation, and repetitive work, but still needs human oversight and validationHow regulated environments raise the bar for judgment, trust, and accuracyThe risk of “empathy debt” when teams move too fast with AI and skip genuine user understandingHow Rebecca uses AI in her own work to save time on research, competitive intelligence, and requirements, while keeping decision-making humanWhy product managers shouldn’t let AI become the answer to every problem just because it’s availableHow to balance AI fluency with restraint, especially when accuracy thresholds matterWhy Rebecca’s poll choice of Human judgment and Empathy resonated so strongly with product leaders And much more!Want to connect with Rebecca?
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccardouglasWorkforce Intelligence Labs: https://www.workintellabs.com/ You can also connect with us and find more episodes:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 19 Aug 2026 - 159 - EP 158 - PM First Principles in the age AI with Matt & Moshe
We’re kicking off a new series with a very timely question: what does product management look like in the age of AI? In this first episode, Matt and Moshe set the stage for *First Principles and Beyond for Product Managers in the Age of AI*, exploring how PM work is changing, what should stay human, and where AI can genuinely help.
The conversation ranges from Matt’s work implementing software for government agencies to Moshe’s hands-on experiments with AI coding tools like Cursor, Kirk, and Claude Code. Along the way, they dig into the tension between speed and judgment, debate what “product sense” really means, and start shaping the core theme of the series: identifying the first principles of product management before layering AI on top.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore:
- How product management is evolving as AI becomes part of the workflow
- Why human-centered value delivery still matters, even when tools can generate work faster
- What “product sense” means in practice, and whether it can be defined as a set of first principles
- Experiments with AI coding tools, local development, and the possibilities of building faster with more leverage
- The idea of using AI to augment product work without removing human judgment from the loop
- Bring it to the audience by polling where PMs should remain involved, and where AI can take more of the load
- And much more!
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 05 Aug 2026 - 158 - EP 157 - Platform PM with Ashana SinghaniaPlatform work doesn’t look like a typical “one product, one user journey” world, and in this episode, we dig into what that really means with platform Product Leader Ashana Singhania. With a decade of experience across financial services at American Express and Goldman Sachs, Ashana has worked on both consumer-facing experiences and the complex platform layers that power them.
She walks Matt and Moshe through how platform products differ from traditional products: instead of a single user flow, platforms support multiple product lines, regions, risk profiles, and entry points, all sitting on shared infrastructure like identity, decisioning, and risk data. That reality changes everything about how a PM does strategy, prioritization, communication, and stakeholder management.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Ashana:What “platform” really means in practice, and how horizontal capabilities underpin vertical consumer productsHow platform PMs think differently about impact when results show up indirectly through many dependent productsWhy tools like Productboard, and Jira need to be used differently for messy, non‑linear platform workTechniques for breaking down use cases, mapping the full scope, and prioritizing across multiple product lines and geographiesThe critical role of documentation, especially around variations, so teams don’t assume behavior is the same everywhereGovernance and failure modes:Over‑standardization that harms UXToo much flexibility that creates chaosHow to design a strong core plus controlled adaptationPartnering early with compliance, risk, ops, and legal in financial services so platform changes don’t get blocked lateHow AI is (and isn’t) used today in financial platforms, from fraud detection and behavior insights to reducing manual work, and where trust and regulation slow things downAshana’s approach to defining a platform vision, living roadmaps, and reserving capacity for platform evolutionA sneak peek at her new venture on income‑based affordability assessment in real estate and beyondAnd much more!Want to connect with Ashana?LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashanasinghania You can also connect with us and find more episodes:Product for Product Podcast: http://linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenproduct/Moshe Mikanovsky: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovskyNote: Any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 24 Jun 2026 - 157 - EP 156 - Stop Wasting Research with Jake BurghardtThis time we’re diving into a problem almost every product team has felt but rarely names: all the customer research you’ve already done… and then quietly forgotten.
In this episode, Jacob Burghardt joins Matt and Moshe to talk about his new book Stop Wasting Research: Maximize the Product Impact of Your Organization's Customer Insights and how to turn research from a one‑off activity into a real product asset.
Drawing on his path from early dot‑com research and UX work through consulting and a principal PM role at Amazon, Jacob shares why teams keep re‑running the same studies, ignoring past insights, and treating “research” as a meeting on the calendar instead of an input into every major decision.
His book offers a big‑tent definition of research, which includes UX, market, data science, CS insights, and more, and a practical playbook for making all of it usable, visible, and integrated into product work.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Jacob:
How he moved from hands‑on research and design into product management, and why he stayed obsessed with the problem spaceWhat “research” really includes today (far beyond user interviews or dashboards)Why so much research gets wasted and the three root causes behind it:Research isn’t prepared for future useStakeholders aren’t motivated to careInsights aren’t integrated into planning, processes, or leadership ritualsA step‑by‑step structure from the book:Taking inventory of the research you already haveDiagnosing root causes in your orgChoosing from a “menu” of tactics that fit your contextWhat good looks like: strong operating models, clear places for research to plug in, and researchers treated as builders of internal productsHow smaller orgs without Product Ops can get started: simple visibility, mapping who’s doing what research, and basic communication channelsThe link between org mindset (feature factory vs. empowered teams) and how seriously research is usedPractical ideas for connecting research to go‑to‑market, pricing, packaging, CS, and sales enablementHow AI is changing the research landscape, where it helps and where human judgment is still essentialAnd much more!Want to learn more or get the book?
Book: https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/stop-wasting-researchIntegrated Research: https://www.integratingresearch.com Medium: https://medium.com/@jakeburghardt LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakeburghardt You can also connect with us and find more episodes:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 10 Jun 2026 - 156 - EP 155 - Reshaping product development for AI’s impact with Gil Broza
This conversation with Gil Broza goes straight at a question many product leaders are quietly wrestling with: how do you bring AI into product development without breaking everything that already works?
Gil, author, coach, and long-time agility expert, returns to talk with Matt and Moshe about “reshaping product development for AI’s impact,” focusing not on building AI features, but on how AI is changing the way product and engineering teams work day to day.
He argues that while AI massively increases speed and output, it doesn’t change the fundamentals of good product development: clear direction, evidence-based judgment, solid technical foundations, and healthy teams.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Gil:
- Why AI is a “turbo engine in a car with old brakes” if you drop it into a system designed for human speed.
- How leaders confuse more output with more value, and why faster code can just mean “legacy code years ahead of schedule”.
- The difference between real agility and “performative Agile” (ceremonies, Jira theater) when AI tools are doing more of the work.
- How to think in systems: what you’re actually optimizing for (predictability, innovation, time-to-value) and how AI changes the constraints and feedback loops in your org.
- Practical blind spots leaders miss with AI adoption:
- Treating AI as an implementation, not a transformation
- Ignoring cognitive load and burnout when people work all day with agents
- Shrinking teams for “efficiency” and accidentally increasing isolation
- The three main ways to use AI in product development, and why you should be explicit about each:
- As a pairing partner (thinking, coding, design)
- As an autonomous agent
- As “just” automation (summaries, note-taking, etc.)
- Why skipping prototyping and experiments is now “less excusable” when AI can create testable prototypes in hours instead of weeks.
- What changes (and doesn’t) in roles like PM, engineer, and scrum master when AI becomes a real team member.
- Concrete steps leaders can take: apply systems thinking, revisit mindset and values, redesign ways of working for AI-speed conditions, and invest in continuous improvement again.
- How Gil’s new courses (“Reshaping Product Development for AI’s Impact” and “Leading AI-Enabled Product Teams”) help product and engineering leaders do this work intentionally.
Want to go deeper or work with Gil?
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 27 May 2026 - 155 - EP 154 - Product Ashtangi with Bhavesh RatanpalWe’re joined by Bhavesh Ratanpal. product leader, author, and long‑time practitioner of yoga philosophy, for a unique conversation about his book Product Ashtangi and how ancient Vedic wisdom can change the way we build products and lead teams.Bhavesh shares his journey from growing up in a family of priests in India, to a career in software development and product management at places like TD Bank, Citibank, and TELUS, and now to founding human‑centric AI startups in Canada. Along the way, he kept returning to one insight: a calm, clear mind makes better product decisions. Product Ashtangi is his attempt to codify that, combining the eight limbs of Ashtanga yoga with modern product practice.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Bhavesh:
What “Product Ashtangi” means and why the first product you work on is yourselfHow the eight limbs of yoga (starting with Yama - truthfulness, ethics, ego‑awareness) translate into everyday product decisionsThe difference between building from ego and cosmetics vs. focusing on real user pain and social welfareHow to shift between observer and experiencer modes so you can see problems clearly instead of reacting emotionallyStories of applying these principles in practice, from enterprise migrations and platform decisions to Bhavesh’s current AI products (pet adoption and strata governance)Treating your life like a product: personal sprints, self‑retros every two weeks, and continuously “shipping” a better version of yourselfHow karma yoga and product management align when you see products as vehicles for societal good, not just business metricsThe structure of the book:Part 1 – theory connecting yoga sutras, Bhagavad Gita, and product thinkingPart 2 – practical ways to adopt the eight limbs in your product workWhere to start if you’re curious: books, practices, and small mindset shifts you can apply this weekAnd much more!Want to learn more or get the book?
Website: http://bhaveshratanpal.caLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhaveshratanpalYou can also connect with us and find more episodes:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 13 May 2026 - 154 - EP 153 - Competitive Research Tools with Ran ErezOn this episode of the Product for Product Podcast, we’re joined by Ran Erez, product leader, podcaster, and founder of Re.focus, for a highly practical episode on competitive intelligence tools and tactics for product managers.With over a decade in B2B, B2C, and cyber (including three years on the mobile pod at monday.com), Ran has seen the same pattern repeat: teams either copy competitors blindly or ignore them entirely. He argues there’s a better way, treating competitors as a massive time‑saver for validation and strategy, without letting them drive your roadmap.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Ran:
How Ran went from QA manager in cyber to owning product and driving millions in salesThe biggest mistakes PMs make with competition: copying feature lists, believing marketing at face value, and doing “one‑and‑done” competitive intelligence Why focusing only on direct “budget competitors” misses the real job‑to‑be‑doneThe Competitive Intelligence Pyramid:Feature level – how others solve the same problemProduct capabilities – pros/cons at whole‑product levelMessaging – how value is communicated and evolvesProduct strategy – what bets they’re makingCompany strategy – where the business is actually headingConcrete methods and tools at each level, including:Finding real users of competitors through screeners, communities, and support/KB pagesRunning “SUSHI” competitive user research: side‑by‑side tests of your product vs. theirs over timeTalking to integration partners and freelancers who implement multiple competing toolsUsing Wayback Machine, screenshots + Gemini, and Perplexity to track how sites, pricing, and positioning changeMining public earnings calls for strategic signals in the language leaders useHow to systematically identify your true competitors (and what it means if you can’t find any)Treating CI as a muscle: what “small start” looks like and how to keep learning over timeUsing competitors to validate your ideas by putting their products in front of your usersAnd much more!Want to connect with Ran or learn more?
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ran-erezYou can also connect with us and find more episodes:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 29 Apr 2026 - 153 - EP 152 - From Project to Product Mode with Thomas Hartmann
We’re joined by Thomas Hartmann, co‑founder of Product Masterclass and co-author of From Project to Product Mode: A Game Plan to Unlock Scalability for B2B Software Products, for a candid look at why so many B2B software companies get stuck in “project mode” and what it really takes to become product‑led.Thomas shares his journey from entrepreneurship and lean startup experiments in San Francisco and Munich and to working with large organizations trying (and often failing) to scale.
Over years of coaching and transformation work, he and his co‑founder and co-author, Sebastian Borggrewe, saw the same pattern: teams with a strong product mindset trapped inside companies that still behave like project shops, where sales and single big clients dictate the roadmap and success is measured by project delivery, not product outcomes.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Thomas:
- How to recognize whether your company is truly in project mode or product mode
- Why B2B software behaves very differently from B2C when making this shift
- The “egg” analogy: product teams as the yolk, surrounded by an environment (the egg white) that often doesn’t care how things get built, only that they ship
- The seven areas that fundamentally differ between project and product companies: segmentation, pricing, discovery, prioritization, engineering, configuration, and product management structures
- Concrete signs of project mode: sales defining what to build, time‑and‑materials pricing, no real discovery, prioritization driven by the loudest customer, and PMs blocked from end users
- Why not every company needs to become a product company, and why it’s a strategic choice, not dogma
- A step‑by‑step path to move from project to product mode:
- Step 1: Align leadership and name the current state (you are a project org)
- Step 2: Find alignment among all product leaders on what to change
- Step 3: Prioritize which of the seven areas to tackle first (you can’t fix everything at once)
- Step 4: Enable the workforce and shift the surrounding “egg white,” not just product team skills
- How AI fits differently in project vs. product organizations: as a delivery accelerator in one, and as a strategic validation and discovery tool in the other
- Why tools like Claude Code can help PMs brainstorm, validate, and visualize, but won’t fix a broken mindset or culture
- And much more!
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Please leave us a review...Wed, 15 Apr 2026 - 152 - EP 151 - Gender Based Data Analytics with Lea KhasidiWe’re excited to welcome Lea Khasidi, product management freelancer, founder and CEO of MaPott, and soon‑to‑be author, for a powerful conversation on gender-based data analytics for product managers.
Lea shares her journey from intelligence work in the IDF, through product roles in EdTech, cybersecurity, and beyond, to founding a health management app for women with chronic conditions. Along the way, one pivotal discovery while consolidating four cybersecurity platforms, seeing men and women use the same filtering feature in completely different ways, sparked her deep focus on how gender shapes behavior in our products, especially in B2B contexts where it’s often ignored.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Lea:How a real-world analytics puzzle revealed stark gender differences in workflow, and changed how she thinks about usage data
The three pillars of context we can’t change (who users are, how they act, where they work) and the one we can: what we give them in the product
How “hacks” and workarounds used by different genders can hint at your next features
A practical system for existing products: using analytics to segment by gender, spotting behavioral differences, then following up with observation and interviews
How to approach gender representation when validating new products, and why balanced samples matter even for seemingly “neutral” tools
Ways to lean on existing research about gender patterns in your domain (health, education, finance, etc.) instead of guessing from scratch
Why early-stage startups should ship faster and learn from usage, while mature products might rely more on A/B tests and targeted outreach
The risk of building solely from our own biases and assumptions, and why gender should be on the PM checklist, even if it’s not always the first lens
Lea’s upcoming book on gender-based analytics for PMs
One piece of advice she has for founders learning to trust their insight while staying open to the data
And much more!
Want to connect with Lea or learn more?LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/lea-khasidi/ Website: https://leakhasidi.comMaPott: https://www.ma-pott.com/
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 01 Apr 2026 - 151 - EP 150 - OHLA Framework with Radhika DuttWe’re delighted to welcome Radhika Dutt, product leader, founder, and author of Radical Product Thinking, for a deep dive into her newest work: the OHLA (formerly OHL) Toolkit.
In this episode, Radhika joins Matt and Moshe to challenge how product teams set goals, measure progress, and use frameworks, proposing a puzzle‑driven alternative to traditional OKRs and “framework-following” culture.
Drawing from her journey from electrical engineering and startups at MIT, through painful “product diseases” like Hero Syndrome and Obsessive Sales Disorder, Radhika shares why recipes and templates alone don’t create real progress. Instead, she introduces OHLA as a lightweight but powerful way to cultivate a Jedi mindset, one that keeps teams grounded in first principles, context, and learning rather than chasing vanity metrics and rigid targets.
Join Matt, Moshe, and Radhika as they explore:Radhika’s path from engineering and founding to Radical Product Thinking and now the OHLA Toolkit
Why classic goal‑setting and OKRs often backfire, creating “alibi progress,” outdated goals, and incentives to hide bad news
OHLA in practice:
Observe – what’s really happening in your product, team, or market
Hypothesize – what might explain it and how you’ll test those ideas
Learn – what the results actually tell you
Adapt – how you’ll change course based on evidence
“Puzzle setting” vs goal setting: defining puzzles with Observation, Open Questions, and an Objective summary to stay longer in the problem space
How OHLA complements design thinking by forcing teams to remain curious and uncomfortable before jumping into solutions
Practical stories, from maritime platforms to enterprise teams, where puzzle thinking led to very different solutions than OKR‑driven targets
How managers can shift conversations from “Did we hit the number?” to “How well did it work? What did we learn? What will we try next?”
A realistic path to transition: starting with your own puzzle, then introducing OHLA within your immediate sphere of influence
And much more!
Want to explore the OHLA Toolkit or connect with Radhika?OHLA Toolkit:https://www.radicalproduct.com/toolkit/#OHLToolkit
Radical Product site:https://www.radicalproduct.com/
LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/radhikadutt/
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 18 Mar 2026 - 150 - EP 149 - AI Tools: Summary with Matt & MosheWe’re wrapping up our AI Tools series with a special episode featuring just the two of us—Matt and Moshe—looking back at what we really learned (and where we’re still confused) about AI in product management.
Across this conversation, we revisit the core themes that emerged with our guests and in our own experiments: from “vibe coding” and no‑code builders, to LLM assistants, enterprise privacy, agentic workflows, and the evolving role of the product manager.
We share candid stories of using tools like Google Stitch, Figma/Figma Make, FlutterFlow, Base44, and others to design and prototype a real mobile app; what worked, what broke, and why credits, pricing, and model limits matter far more than the glossy demos suggest.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore:
How our AI Tools series evolved, from “let’s review tools” to “AI is not one thing, it’s many different problem spaces”Why “vibe coding” is a misleading umbrella term, and how it means something different to devs, PMs, and designersLessons from using AI for design and prototyping: inconsistent outputs, beta‑stage rough edges, and the pain of credit-based modelsBuild vs. buy for AI: integrating foundation models vs. building your own, and what that means for pricing, UX, and reliabilityEnterprise realities: privacy, security, and why tools like Copilot/Gemini have such an advantage where data and IT policies matterHow conversations with our guests (Sani, Eva, Elena, Stav, Yaron, Marcos and Adir) shifted our thinking about workflows, orchestration, and agentsThe future of agent-to-agent interactions: what happens when AIs negotiate purchases and workflows with minimal human promptsWhy first principles and business outcomes still matter more than any single AI toolHow the PM role is changing: less tool‑chasing, more orchestration, strategy, and clarity about what problem we’re actually solvingWhat topics we’d tackle next, like pricing, packaging, and credit models for AI products, and how this series is shaping our own careersAnd much more!You can connect with us and keep following what comes after this AI Tools series:
Product for Product Podcast: http://linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenproduct/Moshe Mikanovsky: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovskyNote: Any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 04 Mar 2026 - 149 - EP 148 - AI Tools: V0, Replit and more with Adir TraitelWe’re keeping the AI Tools series rolling with Adir Traitel, entrepreneur, product leader, and early adopter of just about every vibe coding tool out there. Adir joins Matt and Moshe to share hard‑won lessons from building real apps with v0, Bolt, Replit, Figma Make, and more, all while running his own startup and consulting on product builds across industries.
From his early days in project management and mobile app startups, through work with companies like Moovit and across FinTech, AgTech, and credit scoring, Adir has consistently been the “try it first” person for new build tools. In this episode, he breaks down what these platforms actually do well, where they fall short, and how product managers can use them responsibly for experiments, prototypes, and beyond.
Join Matt, Moshe, and Adir as they explore:
Adir’s journey from PM and founder to heavy user of vibe coding tools in his current startup
His 3-layer view of the ecosystem: AI dev assistants (Cursor, Antigravity, Claude Code), front-end mockup tools (v0, Figma Make), and full‑product builders (Lovable, Base44, Bolt, Replit)
V0: where it shines for quickly building functional UIs (like his electricity consumption app) and where it starts to crack
Lovable: great for sites and simple flows, but not ideal for complex SaaS or CRM‑like products
Bolt: fun and fast for concepts, but why it never got him close to production
Replit: stronger agents and capabilities, but weaker UI output and surprising backend defaults that can get very expensive very quickly
Figma Make and Google Stitch: when design quality trumps everything else, especially for SaaS interfaces
The real costs of vibe coding: AI token spend, hosting/pricing traps, and why production economics matter as much as build speed
What his “dream product” would look like, including multi‑agent environments, better security/privacy, and built‑in QA and CI/CD
How all this is reshaping the product management role, and why curiosity and tool fluency are becoming must‑have skills
And much more!Want to connect with Adir or learn more?
LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/adirtraitel/
Website: https://adirtraitel.com/You can also connect with us and find more episodes:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 18 Feb 2026 - 148 - EP 147 - AI Tools: CLEAR with Marcos PolancoWe’re continuing our AI Tools series with Marcos Polanco, engineering leader, founder, and ecosystem builder from the Bay Area, who joins Matt and Moshe to introduce CLEAR, his method for using AI to build real software, not just demos.
Drawing on decades in software development and his recent research into how AI is reshaping the way teams ship products,Marcos shares how CLEAR gives both technical and non‑technical builders a production‑oriented way to work with vibe coding tools.Instead of treating AI like a magical black box, Marcos frames it as an “idiot savant”: incredibly capable and eager, but with no judgment.
CLEAR wraps that raw power in structure, guardrails, and engineering discipline, so founders and PMs can go from prototype to production while keeping humans in control of the last, hardest 20%.
Join Matt, Moshe, and Marcos as they explore:
Marcos’s journey through engineering, founding, and AI research, and why he created CLEAR
Why AI tools like Bolt, Cursor, Claude, and Gemini are fabulous for prototypes but risky for production without a method
CLEAR in detail:
C – Context: onboarding AI like a new hire, using stories and behavior‑driven design (BDD) to articulate requirements
L – Layout: breaking work into focused, scoped pieces and choosing a tech stack so AI isn’t overwhelmed
E – Execute: applying test‑driven development (TDD), writing tests first, then having AI write code to pass them
A – Assess: using a second, independent LLM as a QA agent, plus a human‑run 5 Whys to fix root causes upstream
R – Run: shipping to users, gathering new data, and feeding it back into the next iteration of context
How CLEAR lowers cognitive load for both humans and AIs and reduces regressions and hallucinations
Why Markdown (with diagrams like Mermaid) is becoming Marcos’s standard format for shared human–AI documentation
How CLEAR changes the coordination layer of software development while keeping engineers central to quality and judgment
Practical advice for PMs and founders who want to move from “just vibes” to predictable, production‑grade AI development
And much more!
Want to go deeper on CLEAR or connect with Marcos?
CLEAR on GitHub:https://github.com/marcospolanco/ai-native-organizations/blob/main/CLEAR.md
CLEAR slides:https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1mwwDtr7cCP5jLUyNVgGR5Aj-MBq8xsMlhSc0pvSQDks/edit?usp=sharing
LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcospolanco
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Note: Any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do...Wed, 04 Feb 2026 - 147 - EP 146 - AI Tools: Base44 with Yaron LavieWe’re excited to continue our AI Tools series with Yaron Lavie, a veteran product leader with over 25 years of experience in FinTech, InsurTech, and now retail tech at Nexite, where he helps fashion retailers unlock unique in-store data.
In this episode, Yaron joins Matt and Moshe to share how he used Base44, an AI-powered, full‑stack vibe coding platform, to take a completely new product idea from concept to a deployed prototype without touching his R&D team.
Yaron walks through why traditional approaches like Figma mockups and static visuals weren’t enough for the kind of validation he needed, and how he experimented with tools like Gemini, Claude, and ChatGPT before landing on Base44 for an end‑to‑end, fully hosted solution.
He explains how Base44’s conversational, chat-based builder let him model user personas, flows, and entities, then iteratively refine an interactive analytics dashboard with real (anonymized) data, all inside a time‑boxed, low‑risk experiment that still respected security constraints.
Join Matt, Moshe, and Yaron as they explore:Why Yaron needed to validate a new product idea without pulling scarce R&D resources off other priorities
How he moved from static mockups to interactive prototypes with real data, and where Gemini helped and fell short
What made Base44 stand out versus other vibe coding tools like Lovable: full-stack, hosted, and truly end-to-end
The importance of “context engineering” over simple prompt engineering when building with LLM-based builders
Using Base44’s discussion mode, live preview, and QA test generation to shape the product before committing to code
Real-world limits: hitting a ceiling on UX depth, inflated code, and friction with design systems and engineering standards
How he transitioned from a Base44 prototype to a ground-up rebuild with the core dev team, using the prototype to generate user stories
Practical pros and cons: integrations, multi-currency support, database control, and when full-stack vibe coding is “good enough”
Where Yaron sees vibe coding going next, and how PMs can use it responsibly for experimentation and usability testing
And much more!
Want to connect with Yaron or learn more?LinkedIn:https://il.linkedin.com/in/yaronlavie
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Note: Any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 21 Jan 2026 - 146 - EP 145 - AI Tools: N8N with Stav Charkham
We’re excited to welcome Stav Charkham, Business Product Builder at Voyantis, former Product Manager and founder in EdTech, and seasoned automation expert, for a standout episode on using n8n and agentic AI to empower product managers and teams.Stav takes us through his journey from building products with no-code tools like Bubble and iPaaS tools like Make, to his current work scaling business workflows with AI, n8n, and internal systems at Voyantis. Learn how Stav helps teams go from research to business value in days, sometimes even hours, by combining open-source automation, hands-on user insight, and a bias for action.Join Matt, Moshe, and Stav as they explore:
- What makes n8n different: open source, secure, and ready for power users, or anyone who wants to build without a developer
- The basics of agentic AI: moving beyond IF/THEN logic, with “agents” that make real decisions using LLMs, memory, and a toolset
- Practical use cases: how to save hours on manual work, analyze massive amounts of meeting data, and surface business opportunities using AI-powered automations
- How Product Managers can independently build tools for their needs, deploying automations without writing code
- n8n’s interface and workflow, and where technical skill might still required
- Open source advantages and trade-offs: privacy, flexibility, cost, and the challenge of building and maintaining integrations
- Why automation costs matter, and Stav’s real-world tips for measuring and optimizing LLM call expenses
- Agentic vs. traditional workflows: when to use an AI agent, and when it’s not worth the extra cost or unpredictability
- Cautionary tales and improvement wishes for n8n: integration gaps, edge cases, technical hurdles, and the ongoing quest for less technical UX
- Kadabra, another tool Stav loves, combining automation frameworks with front-end flexibility
- And much more!
Want to connect with Stav or learn more?
- LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/st...
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 07 Jan 2026 - 145 - EP 144 - AI Tools: Lovable with Elena LeviWe’re excited to bring on Elena Levi, Director of Product Management at Payoneer, data analytics veteran, and passionate advocate for product-driven teams, for a special episode exploring what it’s really like to use Lovable and other AI-powered vibe coding tools in product development.
Elena shares insights from 15 years in data analytics and product, with the journey from data analyst to product leadership fueling her curiosity about how AI can reshape prototyping, design, and collaboration. Drawing from hands-on experience building predictive analytics solutions, Elena reveals why she chose Lovable for fast prototyping, user testing, product sense interviews, and collaborating with both developers and designers.
Join Matt, Moshe, and Elena as they explore:
The strengths and limitations of Lovable for prototyping: rapid iteration, easy sharing, changing flows on the fly, user testing, and developer handoff
When vibe coding works, and where you still need engineering and design expertise
The realities of code generation, versioning, Supabase integration, and why Lovable stood out from the competition at the time she chose it
Using Lovable for product sense interviews
Practical tips: breaking tasks into smaller prompts, saving tokens with up-front documents, and why the first prompt is the most important
The trade-offs of using AI tools for MVPs, B2B vs. B2C products, and where privacy and maintainability concerns come in
Responses from engineers and designers, what these tools mean for their work, learning curves, and whether they help or hinder junior team members
Expectations vs. reality: how close AI tools get you to the finish line, and why “the last mile” is the toughest
Conundrums, gotchas, frustrations, and how to keep flexibility in your workflow
Why do PMs must always ask “Why?”, and why AI alone can't replace a critical data mindset
And much more!
Want to connect with Elena or learn more?
LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-levi-data
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Moshe Mikanovsky:http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 24 Dec 2025 - 144 - EP 143 - AI Tools: Using AI Securely with Eva GaoWe’re thrilled to welcome back Eva Hongyan Gao, Head of Product ESG at AMCS Group, a returning guest (episode 102) and a product leader in B2B SaaS, circular economy, and ESG, for a special episode on using LLMs securely inside the enterprise. Eva joins Matt and Moshe to offer a candid, hands-on look at how AI fits into enterprise toolkits, the challenges of data compliance, and the realities of integrating tools like Microsoft Copilot Studio within strict security frameworks.
Eva brings deep experience building for demanding enterprise customers, where success is measured not just by innovation, but by strict ISO, SOC 2, and GDPR compliance. She shares what happens behind the scenes as product leaders and IT teams try to balance innovation, cost, and data protection, sometimes losing sleep over responsible tool usage and ever-climbing AI integration costs.
Join Matt, Moshe, and Eva as they explore:Using AI tools in highly regulated, security-conscious B2B enterprise settings
The compliance process: from ISO and SOC2 to GDPR and internal AI guidelines
Why Microsoft Copilot is becoming the default LLM in enterprises, and what you still need to watch out for
Building internal agents and chat interfaces to answer roadmap questions and handle stakeholder requests
Lessons learned moving from over-engineered platforms to simpler, compliant AI tools
Creative AI workflows, including removing branded assets between Copilot and Figma and orchestrating information for various departments
The ongoing struggle: data redaction, internal transparency, and the limits of controlling generative models
LLM orchestration: mixing old-school logic with new AI capabilities, and knowing when not to use AI
Security best practices and the importance of a trust-based compliance mindset across the organization
What happens when stakeholders use AI tools in ways product never expected
Opportunities for Copilot and DevOps to streamline maintenance, documentation, and stakeholder requests
The future of AI in sustainability, product management, and business decision-making
And much more!
Want to connect with Eva or learn more?LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/evagaode
You can also connect with us and find more episodes:Product for Product Podcast: http://linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenproductMoshe Mikanovsky: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky
Note: Any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 10 Dec 2025 - 143 - EP 142 - AI Tools: LLMs with Sani Manic
We continue our AI Tools series with a deep dive into using Large Language Models (LLMs) for research, featuring Slobodan (Sani) Manić, AI skeptic, podcaster, and founder of the AI Fluency Club. Sani joins Matt and Moshe to share why context, careful prompting, and critical thinking are essential for getting real value out of today’s LLMs in product work.
Drawing on his work as a product builder, educator, and host of No Hacks Podcast, Sani challenges common myths about AI’s capabilities and underscores both its practical uses and its risks for product managers. The conversation ranges from practical workflows to future visions of invisible AI, open-source models, and the real state of the “wrapper economy” built on major LLM providers.
Join Matt, Moshe, and Sani as they explore:
- Why most LLM workflows boil down to two mindsets: understanding your work, or avoiding understanding it
- The crucial role of context and authority, why careless prompting leads to hallucinations, and how to break questions into smaller steps for better results
- How LLMs fit as accelerators for deep research, surfacing insights faster than classic search engines, but always requiring fact-checking
- Why Sani uses Google’s Gemini and NotebookLM, and the value of integration with your company’s existing tools
- The open-source LLM alternative: privacy, flexibility, and why some see this as the future for secure enterprise AI
- Pitfalls of the “wrapper economy,” vendor lock-in, and shaky business models based on reselling tokens
- Starting out: how to include LLMs in PM research without reinventing your workflow, and why you must be careful with company data
- The risks and limitations of AI today, especially in enterprise and sensitive environments
- How internal AI context in tools like Atlassian makes those LLM features uniquely powerful
- Future predictions: AI that fades into the background, plus the big unanswered questions about interface and humanoid robots
- Sani’s approach to AI education, success stories from AI Fluency Club, and what executives need to learn to stay ahead
- And much more!
Want to learn more or join Sani’s community?
- LinkedIn: Slobodan (Sani) Manić https://www.linkedin.com/in/sl...
- No Hacks Podcast http://nohackspod.com/
- AI Fluency Club https://aifluencyclub.com/
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 26 Nov 2025 - 142 - EP 141 - AI Tools: Kickoff with Matt and Moshe
We’re excited to launch a brand-new series on the Product for Product Podcast, with Matt and Moshe diving deep into the world of AI tools for product managers. In this special episode, we set the stage for upcoming conversations by exploring how AI is becoming an indispensable partner in every stage of the product management journey.
Join us as Matt and Moshe discuss:
- The rapidly evolving role of AI throughout the product management workflow, from idea generation and discovery to strategy, prioritization, delivery, launch, and ongoing monitoring
- The importance of using AI as a tool for knowledge and insight, rather than replacing critical thinking and understanding
- How product managers can leverage Large Language Models (LLMs) for research, writing, and scenario planning
- The realities and limitations of today’s AI tools, including the challenges of ensuring accuracy and context in product work
- Exploring the promise of AI platforms for rapid prototyping and MVP testing
- How AI can help bridge the gap between prototyping and actually building production-ready products
- Using AI to inform strategic decisions, pricing, packaging, prioritization, and risk assessment
- Integrating AI into your board and backlog systems for smarter feedback synthesis and decision-making
- Enhancing sprint-based development with AI-generated user stories, acceptance criteria, and more
- Upcoming content around data consolidation, go-to-market strategies, and ways AI is changing the PM discipline
- And much more!
Whether you’re just starting to experiment with AI or looking to deepen how you use it in your product practice, this series is for you. Stay tuned for practical examples, case studies, and discussions that will help you harness the latest AI tools, while remembering that the best PMs know how to balance tech innovation with human judgment.Connect with us and follow the rest of the series:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 12 Nov 2025 - 141 - EP 140- New Book: Real Progress with Tim HerbigWe’re excited to feature another visionary builder in product management: Tim Herbig, Product Coach and author of the newly released book “Real Progress: How to Connect the Dots of Product Strategy, OKRs and Discovery”.
In this episode, Tim joins Matt and Moshe to share how his journey, from being handed a Product Owner role out of the blue, to leading teams and coaching organizations, shaped his mission to help product managers connect strategy, OKRs, and discovery into a framework for real impact.
Tim draws on his years of experience across diverse industries and organizations to address a challenge he’s seen again and again: teams invite him to solve one issue but quickly discover there are deeper, often interlinked problems between strategic planning, measuring progress, and enabling effective discovery. That’s the gap he set out to fill with his book, a hands-on resource designed specifically for PMs and teams looking to go beyond process and frameworks, and start making progress that matters.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Tim:The story behind writing “Real Progress” and connecting the dots between strategy, OKRs, and discoveryWhy so many teams appear busy but are stuck making “alibi progress” instead of real impactThe Progress Wheel: a visual tool for mapping how strategic, measurable change drives product successHow to think critically about frameworks, challenging readers to adapt tools for their own context, rather than following them blindlyThe book’s practical structure: workbook-like prompts and non-linear sections for self-assessment and targeted improvementKey building blocks of strategy and how they relate to various templates and organizational maturityLinking company strategy to product strategy, and the strategic thinking required for product leadersUsing OKRs to measure if your strategy is working, and spotting when OKRs reveal deeper strategic problemsRole of discovery in reducing strategic risk and building conviction, including how Tim’s Evidence Strength Matrix helps teams evaluate signalsFirst steps for teams looking to connect their frameworks and drive improvementAnd much more!Thinking about making progress in your product work? Check out Tim’s book atrealprogressbook.com and connect with him on LinkedIn orherbig.co.You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:Product for Product Podcast - http://linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast Matt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenproduct/ Moshe Mikanovsky - http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky Note: Any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 29 Oct 2025 - 140 - EP 139 - Product Manager Toolkit by Moshe MikanovskyAs part of our ongoing effort to equip product professionals with the best frameworks and resources, this episode takes a different turn. Moshe steps up as the main speaker to introduce the Product Manager Toolkit, a comprehensive framework he created to help product managers select and implement tools more efficiently and strategically.
On the show, Moshe walks Matt through the toolkit live using Miro, highlighting how it’s designed around the very principles they’ve discussed with guests throughout the history of the podcast. Now published as a template in Miroverse (with nearly 1,000 views and 44 copies!), the toolkit is freely available for product people everywhere.
Moshe shares its origin, core components, and how it’s become a valuable resource for teams mapping out their needs in today’s dynamic product landscape. Join Matt and Moshe as they explore:
The end-to-end workflow for product tool selection, from identifying needs and prioritizing requirements to shortlisting, testing, and implementing solutionsA visual ecosystem diagram capturing the full product management cycle, including ideation, strategy, delivery, and ongoing monitoringThe Product Manager Tool Mapping Template, guiding PMs to connect needs with tool options, while considering organization size, culture, maturity, and budgetInsights on the interconnectedness of modern product tools and prioritizing tasks by urgency and importanceThe ever-evolving list of 150+ product management tools on Airtable and the challenge of keeping resource lists up-to-datePractical product selection criteria, including wide vs. deep tools, entry-level vs. advanced features, integration requirements, AI support, vendor reliability, and customer supportThe importance of defining success criteria, creating rigorous test cases, and assessing support and long-term costs before making a commitmentWhy it’s crucial to evaluate not just features and price, but factors like company culture, scalability, and support processesMoshe’s vision for a book focused on tool selection frameworks - if you think it’s a good idea, let him know!And much more!Ready to streamline your approach to tool selection? Access the Miroverse Product Manager Toolkit template, share your feedback, and join the conversation!You can find the toolkit and connect with Moshe at:
Product Manager Toolkit Miroverse Template Products for Good: productsforgood.co LinkedIn: Moshe Mikanovsky
And don’t forget to connect with Matt and the podcast:
Product for Product PodcastMatt Green
Note: Any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 01 Oct 2025 - 139 - EP 138 - Startups: Hunch with Matan KleymanAs we continue our tradition of highlighting innovative startups building for product professionals, we’re excited to introduce Matan Kleyman, CEO and Co-Founder of Hunch, on this week’s episode.
On the show, Matan shares his journey from technical engineering and data science roles to leading product teams and hosting a podcast focused on AI and product management. Now with Hunch, he’s set out to solve a problem many product managers know well: after all the investment in collecting and aggregating data, only a handful of senior data engineers truly know how to use it.
With that problem in mind, Hunch is on a mission to democratize data access, giving product people rapid, autonomous, and approachable ways to get insights, act on their hunches, and unlock value from their company’s data.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Matan:
The founding story of Hunch and why product managers are at the center of their visionHow Hunch enables any team member to query data using a ChatGPT-like interface and ready-made templatesTurning raw insights into dashboards and customizable data apps with no technical background requiredHunch’s two big differentiators: optimizing for speed and for true autonomyReal-world use cases, from engineers and PMs, to data-driven decision-making in actionHow Hunch supports both quantitative (what happened in the product) and qualitative (what should happen next) analysis, including transcript integrationsMatan’s philosophy on building trust: prioritizing transparency over rigid accuracy and giving users control over contextBest practices for onboarding, context management, and building knowledge sets in HunchLessons from building their public roadmap and belief in open, user-driven product developmentThe future of product management as a hybrid of visionary leadership and orchestrationAnd much more!
Curious to try Hunch or learn more? Connect with Matan:
LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/matankleyman/ Hunch:https://www.hunch.dev/
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
Product for Product PodcastMatt GreenMoshe Mikanovsky
Note: Any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 17 Sep 2025 - 138 - EP 137 - Startups: Arkhet with Nathan NgaiAs we traditionally have done in previous years, we’re excited to feature innovative founders who are building exciting tools for product professionals. Continuing our Startups of 2025 series, we welcome Nathan Ngai, CEO and founder ofArkhet.
On the show, we explore with Nathan his journey—from over a decade in product design, running countless discovery workshops and design sprints, to becoming a founder aiming to rethink how AI can work for product people. Frustrated by the boom of AI tools that overpromised yet underdelivered, Nathan set out to build Arkhet—an AI-powered wireframing and prototyping platform designed to give product managers and teams more control, speed, and clarity.
With Arkhet, instead of relying solely on the back-and-forth of prompt engineering (and getting results you didn’t ask for), users start visually—building wireframes and layering prompts on top of them. It’s a purposeful approach: if you know what you want to build, Arkhet lets you highlight and describe specific sections, apply your style guide, and collaborate more effectively with designers. The short-term goal: empower PMs to create prototypes faster and more collaboratively, with future possibilities that could extend into full product builds.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Nathan:The founding story of Arkhet and why visual prompting solves a major gap in today’s AI toolsHow Arkhet integrates the best of traditional wireframing with generative AI to speed up prototypingThe differences between Arkhet and other AI design/prototyping productsHow it streamlines the collaboration between product managers and designersBeta success stories and why Product Managers are choosing Arkhet over other AI toolsPivoting from a designer-first ICP to focusing on Product Managers—and why both roles will remain crucialWhy AI won’t replace Product Managers or designers, but can help them work better and fasterThe roadmap for style guide personalization, Figma integration, and beyondAnd much more!
You can connect with Nathan at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngainathan/ArkhetYou can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 03 Sep 2025 - 137 - EP 136 - Startups: Samepage.ai with Sahil JainAs we traditionally have done in previous years, we got to feature some exciting startups this year too. Featuring visionary founders who are building exciting tools for product people, we are starting Startups of 2025 with Sahil Jain, cofounder and CEO of Samepage.ai.
On the show we explore with Sahil his journey—from gaming enthusiast and QA tester at Yahoo to serial entrepreneur building products that solve the toughest challenges for product teams. Sahil shares how experiences at AOL, Trigger.io, AdStage (which he ran for 8 years and sold to TapClicks), and weekly conversations with VCs and startups led him to an important insight: most product teams struggle to stay truly aligned.
That challenge became the spark for Samepage.ai, where the mission is to solve information asymmetry and help product managers focus more on communicating what matters.Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Sahil:The founding story of Samepage.ai and why alignment is the central challenge for product managersHow product teams lose context and fall out of sync—with communication making up to 80% of a PM’s roleThe evolution of Samepage.ai from a “blank slate” approach beyond traditional tools like email and SlackLeveraging GenAI to surface relevant, daily insights from scattered sources (Slack, Linear, Github, and more)AI copilots for product managers: creating streams for weekly status updates, release notes, and trend analysis while keeping humans in the loopThe real challenges of transmitting vs. interpreting information, and supporting teams with diverse learning styles and cultural backgroundsEarly success stories from beta usersSahil’s process for validating and iterating Samepage, building in stages, and focusing on solving the right problemsThe future vision for Samepage.ai and how context-aware AI tools will enable better information retrieval, synthesis, and distributionAnd much more!
Want to try Samepage.ai? Sahil will expedite your access to the beta program, so do connect with Sahil directly for access!
You can connect with Sahil at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sahilio/ Email: Sahil@samepage.aiSamepage.ai You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Tue, 19 Aug 2025 - 136 - EP 135 - Product Environment Canvas with Randy Silver
What really aligns product teams and stakeholders to not only understand each other, but also create successful products together?
The story behind the Product Environment Canvas and why Randy created itThe four key components: prioritization, people, process, and perception—and how they interactHow to use the canvas to identify root causes of team challenges and misalignmentMotivation mapping and understanding different perspectives within your organizationWhen and how to implement the canvas: retrospectives, quarterly planning, or diagnosing stakeholder frictionWho can use the canvas—whether you’re a team member or in a leadership roleThe impact using the canvas had on organizationsHow the canvas can even help you assess fit when considering a new jobTips for managing perception, communicating context, and surfacing hidden blockersResources and next steps for exploring the Product Environment Canvas furtherAnd much more!You can connect with Randy at:
In this episode, we’re joined by Randy Silver, Product & Leadership Coach Consultant and Community Builder at Out of Owls, Founder at CPO Circles , and co-host of The Product Experience podcast by Mind the Product. Randy shares his journey from music journalism to Amazon Music editor, and how his passion for collaborating with designers, developers, and content creators led him into the world of product management. With years of experience delivering value across organizations and hosting weekly product conversations since 2018, Randy brings a unique perspective on what it takes to build successful teams and products.
We dive into Randy’s Product Environment Canvas—a practical model designed to help product teams diagnose challenges and align on what really matters. Born from a tough professional experience where misalignment derailed a project, Randy’s framework brings together four critical components: strategy, people, process, and perception. He explains how to use the canvas, the order in which to fill it out, and why it’s as much about internal discovery as it is about stakeholder alignment.
We cover topics including:
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/randysilver/ The Product Environment Canvas: https://outofowls.com/blog/the-product-environment-canvas Out of Owls: outofowls.com CPO Circles: https://www.cpo.social/ Product in the (A)Ether: https://www.pita.social/ Bluesky: bsky.app/profile/randysilver.outofowls.com You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 06 Aug 2025 - 135 - EP 134 - Product Engine for PMF - Giacomo PoggialiDo you have a method to reach Product Market Fit (PMF) with your product?
In this episode, we’re joined by Giacomo Poggiali, a Sparring Partner for bold partners at Sparring Startups, to learn about his “Product Engine” framework for reaching PMF. Giacomo is a product coach and repeat founding product leader who has helped over 150 startups navigate the challenging path to product-market fit (PMF).
Giacomo shares how his journey began with the lean startup methodology as his thesis, and how he’s since applied those principles across design, product, and marketing in early-stage companies. After experiencing the transformation that comes with reaching PMF firsthand, Giacomo became passionate about helping other teams replicate that journey—again and again.
We dive into Giacomo’s perspective on what PMF really means, moving beyond textbook definitions to describe how it actually feels for a team: the shift from pushing a boulder uphill to racing after it as momentum takes hold. Drawing from years of hands-on experience, Giacomo introduces his “Product Engine” framework—a practical playbook for identifying your most valuable users, uncovering what truly drives value, and systematically removing blockers to adoption.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explored with Giacomo:
The difference between pre- and post-PMF challenges for product teamsWhat the Product Engine is, and how it helps startups identify their lighthouse users and core valueHow to use behavioral data and qualitative insights to uncover value blockersThe 80/20 approach: why doubling down on core value matters more than fixing every blockerWhen and how to off-board users who aren’t a good fitReal-world examples of the Product Engine in action, including pivots and surprising discoveriesApplying the Product Engine to B2B, B2C, and API productsPractical steps for product managers to start implementing the frameworkWhere AI can support the process of finding PMFAdvice for teams and PMs on building something truly valuable—and knowing when you’ve reached PMFAnd much more!You can connect with Giacomo at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/giacomopoggiali/ Sparing Startups: https://www.sparringstartups.com/ You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: -
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 23 Jul 2025 - 134 - EP 133 - API Analytics for PMs with Deepa GoyalAPIs are products but they don’t always get the same focus they deserve to be successful.In this episode of the Product for Product Podcast, we sit down with Deepa Goyal, Product Strategy Leader at Postman and author of API Analytics for Product Managers: Understand key API metrics that can help you grow your business, to explore what it takes to manage APIs as products.
Deepa shares her journey from PayPal and Twilio to her current role at Postman, and discusses the rise of the API Product Manager and how APIs are shaping modern organizations.We explore why Deepa wrote her book, who it’s for, and what product managers—whether or not they work directly with APIs—can learn from it. Deepa explains how analytics are critical for measuring API success, the unique challenges of building API products, and why developers are often the primary customers.
In addition, she shares insights from her research for the book and the writing process, including how she validated her ideas and what she learned about the API lifecycle, onboarding, and product-market fit.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Deepa:The rise of the API Product Manager and how APIs are transforming businessesDifferent types of APIs—internal, external, and partner—and their strategic impactWhy analytics are essential for measuring API product successUnique challenges of building API products Insights from writing and validating her book, API Analytics for PMsThe impact of AI on product management and the future of APIsStrategies for API pricing and revenue modelsKey metrics and leading indicators for API adoption and activationAdvice for product managers looking to build technical skills and drive impactAnd much moreYou can connect with Deepa at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deepag/ X: @1sprintatatimeAPI Analytics for Product Managers book: https://www.amazon.com/API-Analytics-Product-Managers-Understand/dp/1803247657 You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: -
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 09 Jul 2025 - 133 - EP 132 - Hacking Your PM Job Search with Marcus PoliniIn this episode we welcome Marcus Polini to share the story behind his recent job search in product leadership, and the practical tools, frameworks, and mindsets that helped him land his next big role.
Marcus’s journey, like almost every product person we talked with, is anything but linear. From his roots in geomatics engineering and a hackathon win that led to founding CityConnect, to the hard lessons of startup failure, Marcus’s path has been shaped by persistence and a passion for building. After applying to 60 front-end engineering jobs, he pivoted into project management and quickly found his calling in product, bridging his entrepreneurial appetite with a growing interest in healthcare and technology.
Before entering the job market, Marcus headed Product at Medstack, which was acquired and his position was cut during the merger. This was an opportunity for him to explore what he loves doing and where he sees himself in his future career path. His path to his current position, as Head of Product, Platform at Dispatch Integration, inspired us to talk with him on the show about the process and tools he applied.
Join Matt and Moshe as we dive deep into Marcus’s most recent job search, exploring:
How he used the Phyl Terry’s “Never Search Alone” process to set up a Job Search Council who helped him move through the searchThe frameworks he used to narrow down his values, passions, and motivating forcesHow he planned his career path as a product, complete with KPIs for personal outcomesThe tactical tools that made a differenceUsing consulting as a path to a full-time product leadership role at Dispatch IntegrationThe critical role of community and mentorship throughout the processThe impact of AI on the modern job searchHow to use AI thoughtfully to enhance, not replace, your authenticity in the job searchHis favorite AI tools and how he uses them And so much more!You can connect with Marcus at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpolini/ Article and template used for the process: https://open.substack.com/pub/productbymarcus/p/the-compass-i-didnt-know-i-neededYou can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 25 Jun 2025 - 132 - EP 131 - New Book: Design for Impact with Erin WeigelWhat does it really take to build products that drive results, and how can experimentation transform your business? In this episode of the Product for Product Podcast, we sit down with Erin Weigel, author of Design for Impact, Advisor at ABsmartly and Principal Designer, to unpack the essential lessons from her new book and her years of experience at Booking.com.
Erin shares why Design for Impact was the book that needed to be written, not just for designers, but for anyone looking to grow their business or product through scientific experimentation and system thinking. Drawing on her journey from internal talks to conference keynotes, Erin reveals how she developed the Conversion Design Process and the “flying wheel” visual that demystifies how businesses really work.
Erin also discusses why experimentation requires bravery from leadership, how to get buy-in without waiting for permission, and why simple, proven tools often outperform complex processes. Join Matt and Moshe as we dived with Erin into:
Her background and how she got to write the bookThe step-by-step process Erin used at Booking.com—and how it can be generalized to any organizationHow to apply experimentation and A/B testing beyond the design teamWhy ownership in experimentation should be shared, not siloed, to strengthen outcomesThe counterintuitive truths behind successful organizations (and why most common assumptions are wrong)How to start building a culture of experimentation, even if your company isn’t there yetThe importance of “testing like you’re wrong” and being honest with what the data showsPractical frameworks like the 60-40 split (60% low-effort experiments, 40% long-term bets) to prioritize learning and impactAnd so much more!You can connect with Erin at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erindoesthings/ Website: erindoesthings.com Design for Impact book: https://erindoesthings.com/design-for-impact/ You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
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Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 11 Jun 2025 - 131 - EP 130 - Product Localization with Alexander MurauskiIn this episode, we dive into the world of product localization with Alexander Murauski, CEO of Alconost. Alexander shares his journey building localization solutions and growing Alconost into a leader in the field, drawing from years of experience working with diverse clients and developing in-house tools. Whether you’re launching a new app or scaling a global platform, Alexander’s insights reveal why thoughtful localization is essential for reaching new markets and delivering a seamless user experience.
We explore the practical roadmap for successful localization projects, from the earliest planning stages to implementation and quality assurance. Alexander explains the technical and cultural challenges teams face, the importance of choosing the right tools, and how AI is changing the translation landscape. He also discusses how localization impacts everything from UX design to analytics, and why building a strong relationship with translators is key to long-term success.
Join Matt and Moshe as we chatted with Alexander about:
His journey to founding Alconost and building localization solutionsWhy localization matters for global productsPlanning and roadmapping for multilingual launchesTechnical considerations such as resource separation, font and file formats, and internationalizationBest practices for white-labeled software and client-specific terminologyThe role of localization management platforms and recommendations for someIntegrating localization with source control and development workflowsHow AI and LLMs are transforming translation pipelinesThe importance of context, glossaries, and UX copy editorsQuality assurance and the evolving role of translatorsWhere to start: focusing on the main user journeyAlexander’s advice for product teams and common pitfalls to avoidAnd much more!You can connect with Alexander at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amurauski/ Alconost: https://alconost.com/ You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenproduct/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 28 May 2025 - 130 - EP 129 - Digital Transformation with Kiron JonesDigital transformations are hard! But they are a necessary need in our era for any organization who wants to keep their competitive edge, adapt to changing environments, build moats against new disruptors, and grow their market share.And more complex the organization structure and ecosystem are, the more challenging said transformation, hence the need for tools and frameworks to help us.
On the show today we met with Kiron Jones, Group Product Manager at Springer Nature, the world's largest academic book and journals publisher. The organization was created by a merger and acquisition of multiple publishers. This created a complex technical environment of many systems to support the business, publish the books and journals, and access the market.
In addition, the entire academic publishing sector has moved into a new open access model. Where in the past, libraries had to buy subscriptions to give access to readers for the materials, these days the access to the materials is free, and the authors are the ones charged to publish. Servicing this changed model has challenged the industry to come up with new solutions for the new clients, while still supporting high quality publications.
Product management in such an environment, as we learn from Kiron, is a challenging and rewarding task. The tools he and his team are using, and in some cases still on the lookout for, are helping them with stakeholder communication, prioritization and roadmapping, and so much more.
Join Matt and Moshe as we chatted with Kiron about:
How he got into product managementDigital and product challenges from Mergers and Acquisitions (M&A)Dealing with shifting ecosystem that changes the Product-Market Fit, the user and buyers personas, their user journey, and the tools needed to create value for themDealing with challenges when not knowing who your users areSome of the tools and methods he is using to help with these challengesOpportunities for new tools that can solve more problemsCMS as a tool both for users and for product peopleSome success and failure stories with tools adoptionHow AI can help in elevating some of the workAnd much more!You can connect with Kiron at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kironjones/If you are in London, at local product meetingsYou can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenproduct/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Fri, 16 May 2025 - 129 - EP 128 - New Book: What do Product Managers Do? with Tami Reiss
Have you ever been asked by a non-product person “what is it that you actually do?” We are sure you have! We know we and many of our friends have been through this, and it’s never an easy task to explain. Moreover, don’t you sometimes feel that people you work with - your teammates, stakeholders, and even your boss - don’t always understand what a Product Manager job really is? That was the exact problem our guest in this episode was about to solve. And the solution she built is… a children's book!
Meet Tami Reiss, product leader and founder of Leader Within, where she conducts keynote speaking, training, workshops, exec coaching and more! Tami wrote the book “What do Product Managers Do?A primer for aspiring PMs of all ages and parents who aren't sure it's a real job”, due to be released May 15th.Inspired by her own children, the book is a rhyming introduction to leadership and influence. Packaged with beautiful illustrations by V Lubow, and a dictionary with simple definitions of the terms we take for granted, this book does a great - and entertaining - job in explaining what we do, who we work with, some of our challenges and more.
Join Matt and Moshe as we chatted with Tami about:
- Her background in product and leadership
- How she got to write the book
- Building the book as a product
- Product Management lessons learned from working on the book
- A/B testing and user testing - testing the stanza and words in the book
- The complexity of the terms and words we are using
- Her vision for the book and how it can help all of us product people
- How would AI impact the job of PMs and the team in the future
- When is the best time for inspiration for new ideas?
- The importance of humility - even to admit that the data might be wrong
- Listen to some fun stanza read by Tami, and how much meaning they pack in a few words
- What does “dream” means (in the product context) and why is it important for product people to share it
- Where can you get the book once it’s out
- And much more!
You can connect with Tami at:
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ta.../
- Website: http://tamireiss.com/
- Join the book’s waitlist: https://theleaderwith.in/book
- Watch the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...=qbLq73dKOCA
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 30 Apr 2025 - 128 - EP 127 - New Book: PRFAQ Framework with Marcelo CalbucciYou might have heard about Amazon’s 6-pages document, or PRFAQ. But have you tried it yourself? And why aren’t there many other successful companies who are following Amazon’s direction, and use the same method, one that seems to be winning Amazon some very big bets?
Our guest today on the podcast worked for Amazon as a Director of Product & Tech, and experienced the PRFAQ framework first hand. When he left Amazon he asked these same questions. Following some research, he decided to codify and bring to print the principle of the PRFAQ method, therefore making it accessible not only to Amazonians but to everyone else who would like to try it, and reap its benefits.
Meet Marcelo Calbucci, Founder of PRFAQ Lab and author of the recently published The PRFAQ Framework: Adapting Amazon’s Innovation Framework to Work for You. With a rich background in engineering and product management, and founding several startups, Marcelo experienced both success and failures in developing and bringing new products to market. That enforced his commitment to help others become more successful with the framework he saw working so well at Amazon.
Join Matt and Moshe as we chatted with Marcelo about:
His way to product management from software developmentWhat is the PRFAQ and what it is notThe structure of the frameworkWhat should go into the document, and what should definitely stay outWho owns the PRFAQ at the company, and who participates in writing it?How is the framework in the book different from what is practiced at Amazon?Why is writing such an important tool?How can, or can’t, AI help us in writing a PRFAQ?The benefits of treating the PRFAQ as a productFor which projects or initiatives is it good to use the PRFAQ framework, and for which it’s not needed?How can you introduce it in your company if there is no buy-in to use it?And much more!You can connect with Marcelo at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcelocalbucci/ Website: https://www.theprfaq.com Buy the book: https://www.theprfaq.com/buy ChatGTP PRFAQ assistant based on The PRFAQ Framework book: https://chatgpt.com/g/g-sAGxOcdKc-prfaq-official-prfaq-lab You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 16 Apr 2025 - 127 - EP 126 - Product Experiment Garage Workshops with Chantal BotanaOur guest today on the podcast brings with her a wealth of product building experience, all the way from ideation to execution and beyond. Throughout her career, she implemented product validation through testing and experimentation at organizations such as AOL, The Weather Channel, Polar Steps, Mews and others.
Meet Chantal Botana, Fractional CPO & Product Coach at Product Evangelist., and facilitator of the Product Experiment Garage. Together with her business partner Maurice McGinley, Chantal facilitates this monthly online community of practice, solving participants’ experiment design challenges, where the audience are product managers, developers, designers, and researchers. And it's free to join!
The sessions work very simply - all participants start with pitching their current challenge. Then everyone votes for the one challenge that they will work on for the remainder of the workshop. And then, the challenge is broken down to cover the 4 habits of good experimentation.
Join Matt and Moshe as we learn from Chantal about:Her way into product management, leading her to coaching and founding The Product EvangelistWhere most experiments are breaking downThe 4 habits of good experimentation:Break down assumptionsCrafting and running small smart experimentsExtract insightsMake a decisionWho the workshop is for and what value they get from itHow can teams that are not empowered still experiment?The importance of critical thinking in the age of AISome of Chantal’s go to toolsAnd much more!You can connect with Chantal at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cbotana/ email: chantal@productevangelist.co Website: https://www.productevangelist.coFree 60 min Product Experiment Garage: https://product-garage.eventbrite.comAssumptions & Experiments Guide (with some free resources). In the guide, you'll find links to Giff Constable's Truth Curve and David Bland's GPTs, which are discussed on the podcast. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cIRKpZ6cv6LWYUsRSrOFRTllFSCMSNJVi2PVS1WUACg/edit?usp=sharing
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast- linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 02 Apr 2025 - 126 - EP 125 - The Book "Managing Priorities" with Harry MaxPrioritization is one of the cornerstone activities that we all do as product people. Some are done mindfully, with a process in place, and some are done on an on-going basis, without even thinking of it. In many cases, we struggle to find the right way to prioritize, especially when there are many factors involved, and many team members and stakeholders with conflicting needs.
In the episode, we met with Harry Max, a product leader, Managing Partner at Peak Priorities LLC, COO at productOps, and author of “Managing Priorities: How to Create Better Plans and Make Smarter Decisions”. With his extensive experience building products, and following his TEDx and South by Southwest talks, Harry found himself diving into many discussions about prioritization. This later on launched his journey to write the book.
In Managing Priorities, Harry gathered many priority related tools, but first started it with the DEGAP framework, which helps put everyone in the mindset of the need for prioritization.
Join Matt and Moshe as we chat with Harry and learn:
What DEGAP is: slowing down the process and planning how to prioritize properly. The framework includes 5 steps - Decide, Engage, Gather, Arrange and PrioritizeDifferent levels of prioritizations we need to make in lifeThe importance of understanding others’ priorities; better engagement to be part of the process, be heard, and be taken into considerations Prioritization is not the end result, just an input to our decisions and eventually, the actions to takeEisenhower Matrix - what is it, how different people might use it differently, and how in some cases it can help us in our prioritization processThe important of “cost of delay”, and how to use it in our prioritization discussionsPrecision vs accuracy - the importance of words and understanding what they mean to each of usMax Priorities Pyramid - what is it, who is it useful for and where can people find it (see link to the Miro template below)Which method would he suggest to our listeners todayWhere should people start to set up their prioritization methodAnd much more!You can connect with Harry at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/harrymax/ email: harry@harrymax.com Website: Harrymax.com Max Priorities Pyramid Miro board: https://miro.com/miroverse/the-max-priorities-pyramid-template
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast- linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast Matt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 19 Feb 2025 - 125 - EP 124 - Startups: Datawisp with Mo Hallaba
We are excited to bring to the podcast a startup that is building an exciting Data and AI product that can change how product managers and other executives are finding insights in the vast datasets they have access to.
In this episode, we met with Mo Hallaba, founder and CEO of Datawisp. With extensive background in data and analytics, Mo experienced first hand the complexity it takes for employees of all levels in understanding the data they have, and in using the mostly technical tools that usually require data scientists, and long queues and time, to provide any useful insights.
With that in mind, Mo created Datawisp, to bring the data - and more importantly, the insights from the data - directly to the people who need it. Using Natural Language Processing (NLP), Datawisp’s users can ask Wispy, its AI agent, for questions on things that are interesting to them, and Wispy then brings the data and the insights it learns from the data.
Join Matt and Moshe as we chat with Mo and learn:
- Mo’s background in financial analytics and his past entrepreneurship journey
- How AI opened up the options for people to think about how to solve the data problem
- Datawisp’s vision for how different teams in the organization can use it
- The current focus on Product Managers and Marketing
- Some of the feature of Datawisp, such as:
- Users talk to it in the same way they would talk to a data scientist
- If it doesn’t understand the question it prompts for more info
- The freedom it has to manipulate the data like a data scientist would
- Automatically picks a type of chart based on the question it was asked
- Different people asking the same question at the same time, would get the same answer
- How it handles security and privacy for its users
- Customizable dashboards for users for questions they want to ask on regular basis
- What needs to happen in an organization that adopts Datawisp
- What is the biggest barrier for people that want to be great in their jobs
- Will AI replace data scientists?
- And much more!
* You can connect with Mo at:
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mo.../
- X: @ElectronicMo
- email: mailto:mo@datawisp.io
- Datawisp: https://www.datawisp.io/
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
- http://linkedin.com/company/pr... linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/ma... - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/
- http://www.linkedin.com/in/mik... - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 29 Jan 2025 - 124 - EP 123 - The Book "Aligned" with Bruce McCarthy and Melissa AppelHave you ever wished you had one book to learn from early in your career, and avoid many mistakes? We found one of those for product professionals, and this episode is all about that!
“Aligned: Stakeholder Management for Product Leaders” by Bruce McCarthy and Melissa Appel is a must read for every product person. It will help you understand the intricacies of stakeholder management, and put into action a plan to build a healthy relationship with your stakeholders, one that you need to nurture and grow in order to be successful in your job.On our first episode of 2025 we had the pleasure to meet with Bruce, Founder at Product Culture, and Melissa, Executive Product Management Coach at Product Culture, co-authors of the book.
In the episode, Bruce and Melissa shared with us how they each got to Product Management and eventually to write Aligned, who the book is for, how they approached writing it, and so much more!
Join Matt and Moshe as they learn from Bruce and Melissa:The challenges product people have with stakeholders, such as saying no, cultural and language differences, remote environments, etcTools to establish rapport with stakeholders, such as socializing, 1-on-1s, discovery interviews, mirroring, etcThe biggest thing that will help you grow your career in productHow to get stakeholders involved in ways that will get their buy-insThe book’s structure, weaved into it a story with examples on how to use the listed toolsSome of the tools in the book, such as the Stakeholders CanvasCan stakeholders benefit from reading the book?Tools they love using as product professionalsAnd so much more…Connect with Bruce and Melissa:Bruce’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brucemccarthy/ Melissa’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melappel/ Aligned book’s resources: Alignedthebook.com Product Culture: Productculture.com
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
Matt Green: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics Moshe Mikanovsky: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 08 Jan 2025 - 123 - Ep 122 - It's a Wrap 2024 with Matt & MosheTime just flies! It feels like yesterday we wrapped 2023, and we are already at that time of the year again, with a 2024 warp-up! 2024 was a bit different than previous years, as we had only one themed series, and the rest of the episodes were a one-off, covering a variety of topics. And, early in the year, we also celebrated the 100th episode, in a live 2-hours show, that introduced many of the guest from the previous 3 years of podcasting.
In our themed series we covered Session Replay products. This seris was very informtive and can prove to be a valuable tool for product managers.We continued this year covering great books for product people, and several frameworks and mindsets. Some of our guests shared with us methods to craft our products’ story, naming our products, and what goes into making decisions. Product Coaching grew steadily this year and was the topic of several episodes. We learned what it takes to be a product professional to build IoT products, and we caught up on the state of Product Analytics products. And of course, we couldn’t ignore AI and GenAI and how they help us - or the potential they can have in helping us. Finally, we introduce a startup product that help product people in a unique way.
We would like to thank each and every guest that came on the show! We couldn’t have done it without you: Tovit Neizer, Orly Zeewy, Gil Broza, Jakie Flake, Marty Cagan, Eva Hongyan Gao, Yelena Liman, Oz Nazilli, Dave Martin, Henry Latham, Ricardo Vital, David Pereira, Dennis Chow, Anat Eldar, Vincent Pavero, Mandar Karlekar, John Fontenot, Zach Phillips, Nikki Zavadska, Christoph Steinlehner, Assaph Mehr, Phil Hornby, Aakash Gupta and Tedde van Gelderen.We can’t wait to continue this journey next year!
We have some great episodes planned, and looking forward to learning and sharing more in the Product for Product Podcast!
Happy New Year everyone! Matt & Moshe
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast- https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Mon, 23 Dec 2024 - 122 - EP 121 - Experience Thinking with Tedde Van GelderenDesign Thinking is all the buzz when it comes to designing our products (or more appropriately, the solutions we discover to solve real problems). But does it stop there?Our guest on the episode makes a very convincing case for what he calls Experience Thinking.
On this episode, Matt and Moshe met with Tedde van Gelderen, President of Akendi, a premier UX agency specializing in creating holistic, end-to-end experiences that enhance their clients’ products and delight users. Tedde authored the book “Experience Thinking: Creating Connected Experiences”, in which he explains the importance of going beyond just product design or service design, and focusing on the holistic approach of experience design.
In his own words, “Experience Thinking" starts with the holistic experience customers and users have with an organisation over time, then guides the enabling technologies and content to create intentional experiences. Experience Thinking should become deeply rooted in an organisation's creation processes.”Join us as we explore with Tedde:
His background in psychology, and how it led him to design experiences, and to found his own UX consultancyWhere do products fit in in the holistic approach of experiences Where do we start with experience design? The role of Design Thinking in the context of Experience ThinkingThe missing process for service designersThe 4 areas of Experience Design: Brand Design, Product Design, Content Design and Service DesignThe importance of Brand Design on both product and service, and how some organizations ignore itWho should own the Experience Design (hint: it might be the Product people)Designing the experience that the users will be part of and not just the GTMWhere we can learn and get inspiration for experiences, and how do apply it to the experiences we need to designThe state of the industry and the adoption Experience Design/ThinkingHow can Product Managers start applying Experience Thinking within their organization and stakeholders And much much more…
You can connect with Tedde at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/teddevg/ Akendi: https://www.akendi.com Purchase the book: connect with Tedde directly for details
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenproduct/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 11 Dec 2024 - 121 - EP 120 - The State of Product Analytics with Aakash GuptaWe have covered Product Analytics tools in the past, including Pendo, Amplitude, Mixpanel, Heap and some new comers like LogRocket, PostHog and FullStory.There are many more tools in the market, and many of the favorite ones are also improving and changing, with new improvements and functionalities that create more value to their users.
We are fortunate to have more product leaders who are interested in looking at how our tools of the trade compare, and the value to our community. Such a leader is Aakash Gupta, Chief Product Officer at Product Growth, author and podcaster of the Product Growth newsletter and podcast. In a recent LinkedIn post, Aakash published the result of his research looking into the top leading Product Analytics products (see link to the post below).We had the pleasure of chatting with Aakash about his research, and learning from him about his research, as well as about the role of Product Growth Managers.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Aakash:How he got to Product ManagementHis first experience with a real Product Analytics productHow he researched the industry for the post What he discovered on the way about these products and some key differentiatorsSome of the niche products in the marketHow the different tools are adopting AIHow startups can utilize these toolsHis prediction on who will winThe power it gives product managers, and especially Product Growth ManagersInsights into the role of Product Growth ManagersAnd so much more…
You can connect with Aakash at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aagupta/Product Growth newsletter and podcast: https://www.news.aakashg.com/LinkedIn post “What I learned about the top Product Analytics players”: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/aagupta_based-on-3-months-of-research-25-buyer-activity-7226944089210982401-QnKw
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenproduct/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 27 Nov 2024 - 120 - EP 119 - Product Coaching & Decision Making with Phil HornbySome product managers don’t realize how many decisions we have to make daily in our jobs. And some of us decided to become product managers because we have to make decisions…But how do we make decisions? And what are the right decisions to make?
Well… it depends…
In this episode we explored these questions with Phil Hornby, Founder and Product Leadership Coach at for product people, and Co-creator and Co-host of the Talking Roadmaps podcast. Phil is in the process of writing his book “It Depends?”, on how decisions are made, and more specifically, when building products, and by product professional.
We explored with Phil how he got to product management (accidently, like most of us), wheat does it mean to be a Product Coach, and how he is writing his book with the help of the community.Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Phil:
How to make decision in generalThe role of Implementation in decision makingCurating principles related to decision making and organizing them in the bookDecision velocityTips to individual contributors product managers who want to make change internally Product coaching and how product coaches workThe hard areas of Product Coaching as a businessThe importance of mentorship early onAnd so much more…
You can connect with Phil at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philhornby/For product people: forproductpeople.comIt Depends! book: theitdependsbook.comTalking Roadmaps podcast: www.talkingroadmaps.com
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: -
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenproduct/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 13 Nov 2024 - 119 - EP 118 - VUCA and Cynefin with Assaph MehrProduct Management is not about frameworks. Yes, using some frameworks that fit well in your situation can save us a lot of time by organizing our thoughts and allowing us to collaborate better.And before there were frameworks, there were mindsets.
In this episode we are talking about a couple of mindset that help product managers and anyone who is building products to align better with the chaotic nature of our work.
Our guest on the show is Assaph Mehr, a product and people leader. He is currently a Senior Product Manager of AI at Squiz, a Product Management Advisor & Mentor at My Mentor Path, a thought provoking blogger, and an author (or several ward-winning stories of Togas, Daggers, and Magic series - for lovers of Dark Urban-Fantasy Detectives and Ancient Rome!).
On the episode, Assaph shared with us two of those mindsets - VUCA and Cynefin, and how they relate to our jobs as product people.
Join Matt and Moshe as they explore with Assaph:How he got to product managementHis experience building AI products, and some of the challenges they raiseWhat are these two mindsets all about (and how to pronounce Cynefin!)How to understand, and harness Volatility, Uncertainty, Complexity and Ambiguity (VUCA)The balance between all of these, and how each of our domains can have a different mixIs it possible to quantify things like uncertainty or complexity?How he defines strategyThe 5 domains of Cynefin, and the importance of fitting our problem to the right domainCan Product Managers impact their orgs to think in these ways?Can product job seekers test organizational fit by probing to see if they have the right mindset?And so much more…You can connect with Assaph at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/assaph/ Blog: https://assaph.substack.comBlog post about Cynefin and VUCA: https://assaph.substack.com/p/cynefin-and-vuca *You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenproduct/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 30 Oct 2024 - 118 - EP 117 - Mapper Method with Christoph SteinlehnerHave you ever seen those pictures of a group of people with sticky notes around a whiteboard, working their way through a tough problem and coming with some innovative solutions? Did you feel they know something you don’t, and their work seems so much fun, while yours is not as creative?
Well, it’s not as hard as it looks and you can do it too! But it’s always good to have a structure for the madness. And we got one for you in this episode! Featuring Christoph Steinlehner, Product Coach and Consultant, creator of the MAPPER Method (who started his career as a designer), Matt and Moshe sat down to learn from him how using visual methods and tools can help identifying gaps, aligning teams to the same mental model, and creating some innovation magic!
Join us as we learn from Christoph:
How he got into product managementHow did he come up with the MAPPER MethodThe MAPPER Method structure and how to go by each step:Map your thoughts Acknowledge PerspectivesPoint Assumptions & RisksPlan and ActEvaluate for InsightsReflecting and improvingUse cases and situations where the MAPPER Method helped him and the teams he worked withUsing MAPPER in different stages of the product, like GTM, customer support, marketing etcThe power of visual tools, and shifting from plain conversations and all their inherited issuesThe importance of humbleness! How the culture of the company creates the space for or put challenges in using the methodThe importance of having some analog tools in our toolkitAnd much more!Contact Christoph if you are interested to hear more, including an explainer document for the method.
You can connect with Christoph at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/csteinlehner/ Website: https://csteinlehner.com/ Mapper Club on Substack: https://mapperclub.substack.com/ You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 16 Oct 2024 - 117 - EP 116 - Session Replay Wrap Up with Matt & MosheIn this episode, Matt and Moshe met to wrap up the Session Replay Tools series, and share what they learned after discussing several products.
In the series we learned about PostHog from Vincent Pavero, FullStory from Mandar Karlekar, HotJar from John Fontenot, and LogRocket from Zach Phillips and Nikki Zavadska.
As we usually do in the summary episode, we looked back at our learning throughout the series, and sure there were many!
Reflecting back on past product serieses we had, some of the themes came back also in this one, such as choosing a product that goes deep into one area and does if very well, verses choosing a product that does many different things and has a wide array of features, all integrated with each other, but might not go as deep into some of them. It is interesting to see how companies have either started in Session Replay and added other capabilities over time, and others that started in other areas such as Product Analytics, and added Session Replay more lately.
Join us on the episode as we further discuss:
Use cases throughout the organization Technology used to record the sessionsInsights from many sessions rather than one at a timeChoosing the right one for you based on your needsHow security is handled and the importance of having several approaches to it The emerging trends in AI and these productsAnd much more!
Thank you to our guests in this series for sharing with us their experiences!
Product for Product site:Product for Product Podcast
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:MattMosheNote: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 02 Oct 2024 - 116 - EP 115 - LogRocket with Zach Phillips & Nikki Zavadska
We continue our Session Replay series with the next product, LogRocket. To learn all about it, we had the pleasure to speak with two guests - Zach Phillips, Senior Product Analyst, and Nikki Zavadska, Lead Product Manager Growth, both at Appfire.
Their perspectives were complimentary so we decide, why not? Let’s talk with both! Zach is essentially in the product operations area of Appfire, and his team helps implementing LogRocket for the other teams that build products. Nikki is a growth product manager working on one of these teams, so she has first hand experience with some interesting use cases.
As a company that build many apps that are sold on 3rd party app store, such as Atlassian and Salesforce, Appfire needed flexibility and control in their session replay platform that they were able to find with LogRocket.
It is always interesting for us to learn new use cases and have aha moments on the show, and this one came to us when Nikki shared an interesting case, where she couldn’t have find the cause for rage clicks without the usage of the session replay tool.
Join us as we explore LogRocket with Zack and Nikki:
Why they chose it over other products
* How long it takes to implement
* Use cases where they use session replay
* The benefits of using LogRocket compared with other product analytics tools
* How the engineers are using it too
* How it handles security and compliance
* Other features available in LogRocket and who uses them
* Features they love and those that could be improved
Using LogRocket to inform the direction of growth experiments
* How to justify to the business to get the product
* How many electric guitars does Zach own?
* And so much more…
To learn more about LogRocket:
https://www.LogRocket.com
* Connect with Zach:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wz...
* Connect with Nikki:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ni...
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
* Matt Green: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ma...
* Moshe Mikanovsky: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mi...
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 18 Sep 2024 - 115 - EP 114 - Hotjar with John FontenotWe continue our Session Replay series with the next product, HotJar. To learn about it, we invited John Fontenot to return to the podcast. Last time we talked with John early on the podcast journey, on Episode 11, when we learned from him about Roadmunk, a Feedback & Roadmapping tool.
Today we cover HotJar, one of the first session replay products we experienced in our product career. John is using it at two of the companies he founded, Path 2 Product and Repo.John loves HotJar’s free plan, which gives him insights into how the users are using his products, how many users are using specific features, where people get stuck, or where the product might have usability bugs.
Join us as we explore HotJar with John:
Use cases where he uses session replayDeep dive into security related concerns in session replay productsHow to approach users that we know have a problem, without making them feel like we are creeping on themOther features of HotJar, and integrations with other systemsHotJar’s approach to freemium vs. premium versions, and features available in eachWhen is it the right time to upgrade to a premium versionContemplating on session replay for physical products in physical storesWhat he likes and what he wishes can be improved with HotJarAnd so much more…To learn more about HotJar:
https://www.hotjar.com/ Connect with John:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robfontenot/ Path 2 Product: https://path2product.io/ Repo: https://researchrepo.com/ Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
Matt GreenMoshe Mikanovsky
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 04 Sep 2024 - 114 - EP 113 - Fullstory with Mandar KarlekarWe continue our Session Replay series with the next product, FullStory. To learn about it, we invited Mandar Karlekar to return to the pod all the way from Australia. Last time we talked with Mandar in Episode 72, when we learned about Loom for async communication. Even back then we learned how much Mandar loves FullStory, so we were sure to invite him again to tell us all about it.
FullStory started as a Session Replay platform, with a unique functionality - creating insights from multiple sessions. Mandar shared many reasons he likes the product, such as its simple and intuitive user experience, the fast time to value, how easy it is to implement, and how valuable it is to all business units.
Join us as we explore FullStory with Mandar:Where he utilizes FullStory with his clientsMany of the values created by using the platform such as:Enabling teams and orgs to intimately understand customers pain points and needs at scaleBundling up insights across the user journeyBringing teams together to realize the impact they built and where things should be improvedThe integrations available between FullStory and other platformsThe value of getting analytics from session recordings which record everything, rather than by setting it up manuallyThe AI powers that are included in the platformHow FullStory handles security, personal information safety, and any specific security needs of clientsBest features that he likes, and areas to improve Usage in B2C and B2B productsWhat new clients of FullStory usually test to confirm it will not impact their product And so much more…To learn more about FullStory:https://www.fullstory.com/ Connect with Mandar:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mandarkarlekar/ Product Rocket: https://www.productrocket.com/ Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
Matt GreenMoshe MikanovskyNote: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 21 Aug 2024 - 113 - EP 112 - Posthog with Vincent PaveroThe first product we cover in the Session Replay series is PostHog. To learn about it, we invited Vincent Pavero, Co-Founder, CEO at Homeric and Product Coach & Advisor at Vincent.pm. PostHog is the first open source product we are covering on the podcast, which is an interesting point in itself, and we wondered aloud on the show why there aren’t more open source products for product people.
PostHog is not just a Session Replay platform, as it also supports product analytics, surveys, feature flags, A/B testing and more! Vincent loves it for this reason, as he has replaced 7 tools that he used previously by PostHog!
We did focus our discussion on the show on Session Replay, and its strengths in PostHog. This includes the basic features: access and playback of user’s sessions, filter to find sessions, anonymous vs signed in users, skipping inactivity periods, overlay with features, heat map, rich-click detector, a band on the screen to show where they go lowest, sharing and exporting recordings, etc. Being geared mainly to product engineers, PostHog has additional features such as an inspector to see what happens in the browser (front end), and all the code that the browser is interacting with the back end.
Join us as we explore with Vincent:
How did he get to product Reasons to use a product like PostHog, and specifically session replayProduct analytics that goes beyond session recordingsThe pros and cons of using an open source product in our sectorSecurity measures for sensitive data Can AI create value in session replay?The importance of simplicity and consistencyPostHog perspective on their role in helping users analyze their product data Areas that can be improved in PostHog Deep understanding by PostHog of their users, as evident in their website and all documentation materials And so much more…To learn more about PostHog:
https://posthog.com/ Connect with Vincent:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentpavero/ Product coaching website: https://vincent.pm/ Homeric: https://homeric.ai Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
Matt GreenMoshe MikanovskyNote: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 07 Aug 2024 - 112 - EP 111 - Session Replay Tools Kickoff with Matt & MosheIt has been awhile since we produced a series focused on one product category, as we had so much fun this year with individual guests who shared with us their love for frameworks, books they wrote, and other one-off topics.
So we are excited to share a new series for our product management audience, exploring the world of Session Replay tools.In the kickoff episode, Matt and Moshe met to discuss what session replay products are, and what they are expecting to learn in this series, such as:
What are the features of session replay tools?Who usually uses them?How did vendors start building them?What is the technology behind them?What might differentiate them?How does AI play a role in their progress?How do they play with other products in our ecosystem?How are results analyzed?What privacy and security concerns do they have to deal with?And more!The products we will discuss include HotJar, FullStory, PostHog, LogRocket and more.Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
MattMosheNote: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 24 Jul 2024 - 111 - EP 110 - Net Adoption Threshold Framework with Anat EldarIs the MVP where we should stop at understanding whether we have a good direction to go with our product idea? Probably not.
Join us to the latest episode, where Matt and Moshe have met with Anat Eldar, Product Leadership Consultant, as she goes through her Net Adoption Threshold (NAT) framework.
Drawing from her extensive product management roles at companies such as Amdocs, Microsoft, AOL, Yahoo and Taboola, as well as from her teaching at the Reichman University, Anat had developed NAT to help product managers and organizations understand not only what the value they create, but also whether it is greater than the costs (both sunk and switching costs) and the current solution’s value.
Join us as we learn from Anat:
How did she get to product What is the Net Adoption Threshold (NAT) frameworkWho is it for and how they use itDoes it fit all types of products and situations?Does it work well with other frameworks or does it replace them?The breakdown of the NAT formula: New Solution Value - (Sunk Costs + Switching Costs) > Current Solution Value How do we quantify each of these? What is the most important thing to quantify in this process?Some pitfalls when startups attempt to implement the NAT framework and how to avoid themHow often should they assess the NAT if things are changing?How to start adopting NAT right awayAnd much more!
You can connect with Anat at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anateldar/ Read more from Anat about NAT: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/rethinking-mvp-introducing-net-adoption-threshold-nat-anat-eldar-jmpef/
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 10 Jul 2024 - 110 - EP 109 - Startups ‘24: Lodestone with Dennis Chow
This year we are changing a bit how we publish episodes about startups that build innovative products for product people. Instead of creating a series with several episodes in a row like we did in previous years, we are going to release one-of episodes, as we find and get to interview the founders of the startups.
The first Startup of 2024 is Lodestone. We have met with Dennis Chow, seasoned Product Executive, with rich experience in product management at major Canadian telecom companies Rogers and Telus, Sears, Pivotal Payments, Intuit, TouchBistro and more. An instructor at Product Faculty and advisor to startups, Dennis always looked for ways to help communicate complex product decisions into simple ways that are easily and transparently shared up and across the organization.
This was the first problem he set out to solve as founder and CEO of Lodestone, but his vision is much larger than that!
Join Matt and Moshe as we chat with Dennis and learn:
- His path to Product Management, working in chunks of 5 years (10K hours) to get great at what he does and move his career forward
- The vision of Lodestone, a Product Management toolkit that help PMs move faster and get more things done
- The sunburst roadmap, a visual roadmap tool that one one hand, helps connecting epics and stories with the strategy, and on the other hand, helps product managers tell a better story
- Other features such as feature repository, documentation generator with the help of AI - to help PMs start from something rather than a blank page
- The difference between roadmaps and release plans
- His vision for the next 5 years of Lodestone, including more value to product leaders and early stage startup founders
- How does Lodestone works with research and discovery data
- And much more!
* You can connect with Dennis at:
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ch.../
- Twitter: @lodestonepm
- Lodestone: http://lodestone.pm/
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
- http://linkedin.com/company/pr... linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/ma... - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/
- http://www.linkedin.com/in/mik... - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 26 Jun 2024 - 109 - EP 108 - Untrapping Product Teams with David PereiraWe are happy to have on the podcast a returning guest, a long friend of Product for Product, David Pereira, to celebrate the publication of his first book, Untrapping Product Teams.
Following his passion to build the right things, to write, and to share his knowledge with the world, David spent the last year writing and iterating on the book, in order to make it as accessible and as relatable to everyone out there struggling in their trapped product work.
We spent a bit of time learning what David was up to since the last time we talked on the show (Episode 27, Writing & Mind Mapping to improve PM skills). Other than being busy writing the book, David became the CEO of omoqo GmbH, where he started first in the CPO position, as well as co-founding the Agile Product Manifesto.
Joins us as we learn from David:
Why did he write the bookWho the book is for, primarily product managers but leaders can benefit too. Even Agile coaches see lots of value in the book - they can finally talk better with product managerWhat is covered in the book and how the book is structure; first face reality asap, understand the reality, figure out how the company works, mindsets, challenges, what stands in the way. Then, untrapping, what are the ingredients needed for that such as strategy, delivery, results etc. And lastly how to remain untrappedTelling stories throughout the book from his experience, stories that connect with people, to help simplify the pointsWriting and developing the book as a product - starting with an experiment, converting people over, interviewing, etcCoordinating workflows vs Collaborative workflowsHow to earn empowermentHow product managers deliver value via collaboration And much more!
You can connect with David at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidavpereira/Buy the book: Untrapping Product Teams (affiliate link)Untrapping Product Teams Newsletter: https://dpereira.substack.com/Website: https://www.d-pereira.com/ Agile Product Manifesto: https://agileproductmanifesto.com/
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: -
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast Matt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 12 Jun 2024 - 108 - EP 107 - Product Management in IOT with Ricardo VidalManaging products that have both software and hardware is always more tricky than those with software only. In the past it was limited to servers and communication devices, and to very specialized machinery like medical devices, transportation and such. With the advancements of reduced computing chip sizes and improved speed and powers, along with cloud computing, IoT (Internet of Things) has taken our life to an entirely different level with new smart devices that can help us anywhere we are. From home devices to control things at home and provide reports of power consumption, to smart cars, and whole smart cities.For most product managers that have worked only on software digital products, it is hard to imagine what are the added complexities created with the addition of hardware development to the mix.
On this episode we met with Ricardo Vidal, Head of Product at Poppy, a Canadian company building IoT devices that provide instant, accurate HVAC performance monitoring for any indoor space, used by commercial properties and corporations to save energy costs, decarbonize buildings and keep occupants healthy.With a background in bioengineering, and then developing software solutions for the scientific community, moving into IoT was a challenge Ricardo willingly took, and he learned so many lessons building the different generations of Poppy.
Join us as we learn from Ricardo some of those lessons, and tools used by IoT product teams:
Understanding the constraints when working in Hardware, such as; the process, time frames and when there is more pressure because of these constraints, access to materials and the supply chain, materials and manufacturing costs, Learn the terminology used by mechanical and electrical engineersSecurity issues that are amplified with connection from anywhereSpecialized tools for hardware development, to manage Bill of Materials, cost of goods, change management, documentation etc.Connecting our IoT devices to the cloud via common Cloud APIs Firmware considerations for constant needed updatesUsing hardware prototypes for experimentation and A/B testingGrafana - real time data sensor testing to alert clients if there sensors are not working properlyAnd much more!
You can connect with Riocardo at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rvidal/ X: @rvidalPoppy: Poppy.com You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: -
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 29 May 2024 - 107 - EP 106 - Break-Free with Henry Latham
Henry Latham is a good friend of the podcast, and we talked with him in the past on a few occasions (episode 25 - Tools for Aspiring Product Managers, episode 47 - No Code Platforms - Softr, and episode 65 New book: Product Strategy is Simple). We are happy to have Henry on the show again, introducing his new venture and program Break Free.
Why did he make the shift/pivot from ProdMBA to build itThe challenges of product managers out thereReasons, or more like excuses, that product people use to not starting a new business on the sideThe MVP that he started Break Free withLearnings from starting business to Product Management and vice versaWho is Break Free for? The 5 steps of the Break Free Sprint The importance of product managers selling their own productsStarting small as a service that is not scalable rather than thinking big right up front and failingAnd much more!You can connect with Henry at:
In recent year, Henry have identified a trend in the Product Management world, where many product people shows dissatisfaction with their career, moving from one company to the next, trying to find the best culture to work at and create impact in the world, only to be discouraged by organizational culture that didn’t empower them and the rest of the team to build meaningfully.
This is when he decided to pivot his focus into helping the product management community to create their own destiny, by helping aspiring self-employed individuals, who mainly come from the product management world (but not limited to them), to build their own micro-business from 0 to 1st sale in 48 hours.
In the episode, we talked with Henry about his pivot, and what the program, Break Free, is all about:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/henrylatham/Break Free: BreakFreeSprints.com
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 15 May 2024 - 106 - EP 105 - Product Momentum Gap with Dave MartinHave your worked for a product company where the beginning was amazing - everyone were aligned towards the same goal, the product that the team built was an exact fit for the problems that it’s users had, and everything just came out nicely - but then, as the company grew, things didn’t fit as well, new features were not adopted, and overall, the feeling is that you lost the awesome momentum you had?This is what Dave Martin calls the Product Momentum Gap.
In this episode, Matt and Moshe are hosting Dave, Outcome Leadership Coach at Right to Left, veteran product leader and fractional CPO, who co-authored the book “The Product Momentum Gap: Bringing together product strategy and customer value” with our past guest Andrea Saez (episode 22), to talk about this problem, and a framework he developed to overcome it.
There are many reasons why companies fall into the Product Momentum Gap. It can be due to confirmation biases, collective bias (following the loudest person in the room), product strategy that doesn’t commit to a specific solution, amongst other reasons.Identifying the problem is the first step in moving forward to fix it. Then, using the Product VCP (Value Creation Plan) framework, developed by Dave, companies can align their strategy to an actionable plan that will eventually change users’ behavior.
Join us on the episode to learn:
How did Dave started his career in product leadershipThe product craft vs product leadership What is the Product Momentum GapMore problems that cause companies to fall into the Product Momentum GapThe Product VCP framework - how to execute the strategy How the Product VCP was created over time and with over 50 companies How to handle situations where companies don’t want to take the time to stop and go through the process of defining the Product VCPThe importance of discovery throughout the processAnd so much moreYou can connect with Dave at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrdavemartin/ Buy the book: The Product Momentum Gap: Bringing together product strategy and customer value(affiliate link)Right to Left: www.righttoleft.io Outcome Habits newsletter: www.outcomehabits.comYou can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: Product for Product Podcast- https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast Matt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 01 May 2024 - 105 - EP 104 - Forces of Change with Oz NazilliFrameworks are always alluring, and especially in Product Management, where there is so much to do, and we sometimes need directions from those who have done it before us, or just organizing our work a bit better, but which framework should we choose? In this episode, Matt and Moshe met Oz Nazilli, Founder of PMF (Product Market Fit) Studio - a Toronto based studio that specializes in product strategy, discovery, and growth - to share with us his favorite framework - Forces of Change.
This is a simple framework, yet very powerful and suitable for different organization sizes, in different stages they are at. The idea behind it is for us to make sure we build something people want, and it was first introduced by Bob Moesta and Chris Spiek, who were heavily involved in the Jobs to be Done movement.
The framework can be found also as Forces of Progress, or The Progress Making Forces.Listen to the episode to learn more about:How Oz got into product management and building his own agency that help organizations of all size find their Product Market FitHow do we define Product Market Fit?What Forces of Change framework is all about: Where is it best fitted? How does it apply to enterprises vs startups?How it compares to other frameworks, or work with themWhat is usually the balance between these forces, if there is any?Can we prevent new problems or anxiety from happening? How do we reduce that risk?Any gotchas in the framework?And so much more!You can connect with Oz at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oznazilli/ PMF Studio: https://www.pmfstudio.com/ You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: Product for Product Podcast- https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast Matt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 17 Apr 2024 - 104 - EP 103 - Growth Metrics with Yelena LimanProduct Growth is one of the goals for our products once we found a Product Market Fit, but changing our mindset from finding the right solution to a problem that a specific market is facing, to growing the usage of our solution, is not always easy! To help us with this transformation, we can use several product growth frameworks.
In this episode, we speak with Yelena Liman, CEO and Founder of EmPro Consulting, who specializes in helping SaaS product executives challenged with underperforming products to identify and address root causes to improve business results. Yelena has a rich product management background, from organizations such as Intel and Amazon, where she contributed to several product growth initiatives.
On the show, Yelena helped us first understand what Product Growth is all about, how we can tell that our organization is already there, and then, which framework to use, picking from AARRR, RICE and HEART.Come and learn with us as we covered the following:
How do businesses navigate the complexities of driving product growth in today's rapidly evolving market landscapeWhat are the three metrics: AARRR, RICE, and HEART?Which companies can utilize each of them?What is each of them used for?How to solve biases in RICE?The importance of stakeholders involvement What is the context that we should use these models in?How do we know we are there, working on the right growth metrics and growing?How to collect data and analyze it to understand our growth and whether what we do is working?And so much more!You can connect with Yelena at:https://www.linkedin.com/in/yelenaliman/EmPro Consulting: https://www.emproconsulting.ca/ You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: Product for Product Podcast- https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green -https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 03 Apr 2024 - 103 - EP 102 - Gen AI Product Vision Video with Eva Gao
Generative AI is everywhere, and we all see the impact it creates on our life, no matter what we do. Product Management is no exception. In this episode we met with Eva Gao, Senior Product Manager at Quentic AMCS, who caught our attention when she published a post about how she built a Product Vision video using GenAI tools.
What is needed to produce such a videoSome of the tools existing these days to help with the production of the videoChallenges with some of the tools and technologyWhat level of license do we need to use these toolsUnderstanding how to “talk” with the GenAI tools - prompt engineering How did she communicated the message with her stakeholdersHow do we measure the success of the video and it’s messageAnd so much more!Tools that Eva used to create the Product Vision video:
A Product Vision video is one of the best ways to convey to the entire team why we are embarking on the sometimes challenging endeavor of building new products. Done right, it can rally and inspire everyone in our organization to the same direction and goals.
When Eva managed a new product generation at Quintic, helping clients in risk management and mitigation of occupational hazards, she was facing challenges from internal stakeholders, who wanted to migrate their clients from the legacy system, but faced resistance from clients who didn’t want to make the move. This was impacting the organization as a whole, and this drove Eva into trying to effectively explain to all internal stakeholders the importance of upgrading the clients sooner than later, but she didn’t want to make it a memo or a dry presentation! Instead, Eva came up with the idea to create a funny video, using story telling and analogs from cultural references that people at the organization were already familiar with. Without a technical know-how in video production, and a very limited budget, Eva decided to utilize GenAI tools!
Join us as Eva chats with Matt and Moshe, describing in detail the steps she took to build the Product Vision video.In the episode you will learn:
Playground AI for image generation: https://playground.ai/ Beautiful.ai for presentations: https://www.beautiful.ai/ Pika Art for generating 3-second videos: https://pika.art/ invideo AI for image based long video generation + quality voice-over: https://invideo.io/ You can connect with Eva at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ev.../ Blog: https://medium.com/@starmancallin You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast - https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky -Wed, 20 Mar 2024 - 102 - EP 101 - Transformed with Marty CaganWe are very excited to bring you our latest episode - an interview with Marty Cagan, on the occasion of the release of his new book TRANSFORMED: Moving to the Product Operating Model. Marty wrote the book with his partners at the Silicon Valley Product Group - Lea Hickman, Christian Idiodi, Chris Jones and Jon Moore, and it was highly anticipated by the entire Product community around the world.
Following his books INSPIRED (where Marty lays down the foundations on how to build product the right way) and EMPOWERED (which aims to the leaders of product teams, helping them become empowered teams that solve real problems for client, and achieve outcomes to the organization), the new book is about the transformation of the entire organization from Feature Factories to Empowered Team, or, as it coined in the new book, moving to the Product Operating Model.This is the missing piece that many of us in the product world were waiting for! Following Marty’s and SVPG’s work, we have known for years what successful product companies are doing, and why being a feature factory is counter productive to solving real problems. But the world out there is still mostly dominated by organizations doing it all wrong.
We hope that TRANSFORMED will not just be a bestseller, but will make real transformation in the world, to help companies move to the Product Operating Model, and create amazing products that solve real problems, and create value to their organization.Join us as Matt and Moshe discuss this with Marty:Where did the name “Product Operating Model” come from?Who is the book for? It is not just for product people! On the contrary, it is extremely important that the CEO and the executives are part of - and leading - the transformationAddressing the question “Is it possible to change?” The book includes techniques that are not just about product management but transformational techniquesHow do individual contributors from the product team can impact and help the transformation Misalignments created by the language we are using, starting from defining what we do, and how different people in the organization are using different words, that must be understood and alignedThe importance of empathy to stakeholders, and how product managers should understand deeply what other areas of the business do, to create the internal confidence that we know what we are doingThe role of Product Coaches in helping executives and organization successfully transform The relevancy of the Product Operating Model around the world, demonstrated by the examples and case studies in the bookTips for product people in organizations that don’t yet see the need to change, on how they can control their destiny, what they can learn and do to move forwardAnd so much more!You can connect with Marty at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cagan/ Silicon Valley Product Group: http://www.svpg.com/ SVPG blog: https://www.svpg.com/articles/ TRANSFORMED: Moving to the Product Operating Model https://www.amazon.com/Transformed-Becoming-Product-Driven-Company-Silicon/dp/1119697336The books, INSPIRED, EMPOWERED and TRANSFORMED: https://www.svpg.com/books/ You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Tue, 12 Mar 2024 - 101 - EP 100 - Live Celebration with Matt, Moshe, and GuestWhat a ride this has been! With a humble beginning three years ago, we are now celebrating our 100th episode! And we celebrated it big, in a live streamed 2 hours episode, with many of our past guests joining us to share what’s new with them, and what is the state of products for product people. Not surprisingly, we all ended up talking about AI, and how AI can help - or hinder - product management work.
Come join us and listen (or watch the recording on YouTube) the recording of the live show with all our guests: Ohad Biron, Gil Broza, Jackie Flake, Kevin Hawkins, Eva Hongyan Gao, Jason Knight, Tracy Laranjo, Tovit Neizer, Dan Olsen, Magali Pelissier, David Pereira, Faith Peterson, Sumeet Rana, Ross Webb, Alex Wilson and Orly Zeewy.
You might learn:Who is hiring and have available jobsHow an open discussion might become a discovery callWho can help you and give you tips on starting a podcastWhat goes into a good product nameSome interesting new tools for wireframingWhat's new in the user testing tools’ worldWhat is the balance between doing our work and using AI toolsAnd so much more!Also, thank you to Nils Janse, Henry Latham and Paul Orchanian who couldn’t join us live but sent us a short video, also included in the episode, with their words of congratulations and prediction for the future.
You can connect with all our guests on LinkedInYou can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: Product for Product Podcast- https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast Matt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Mon, 04 Mar 2024 - 100 - EP 99 - Becoming a Product Coach with Jackie Flake
In the past year or two, in parallel to the growth throughout the industry of Product Management discipline and skills, we are witnessing the growth of product coaching as a career path. On this episode we met with Jackie Flake, a product professional turned product coach, and twice founder. Working with her co-founder at The Brave Start, they developed the Product Coach Academy, a program that helps product leaders make the move towards their independence as product coaches.
The program provides participants with an entire toolkit to support them turning the aspiration into an actual business. These are not limited to just the coaching business aspects, but also things to be aware of specifically for product professionals.
Join us as we learn from Jackie about the challenges to become a product coach and how her program can help aspiring product coaches. In the episode you will also learn:
- How Jackie transitioned into Product Coaching
- Whats the differences are between product coaching, product consulting and product mentoring
- What areas one needs to learn in order to start their own product coaching business
- The course’s structure and what’s included
- The importance for finding a niche in coaching
- Areas of product management coaching
- How to deal with some of the stresses involved in solopreneurship like coaching
- Number one piece of advice for someone looking to become a Product Coach
- And much more…
- You can connect with Jackie at:
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ja...
- The Brave Start: https://www.thebravestart.com/
- Product Coach Academy: https://www.thebravestart.com/...
- You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
- http://linkedin.com/company/pr... https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/ma... - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ma...
- http://www.linkedin.com/in/mik... - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mi...
- Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 21 Feb 2024 - 99 - EP 98 - Deliver Better Results with Gil BrozaIn today’s episode we had the privilege to meet with Gil Broza, Founder and Value Delivery & Agile Leadership Expert at 3P Vantage, author, trainer, coach, facilitator and speaker, as he released his latest book (number 4!), Deliver Better Results: How to Unlock Your Organization’s Potential.
Bringing his vast experience from decades helping software companies and enterprises with IT departments go through organizational transformation, Gil developed a unique point of view and method to assess a company's fitness, and move incrementally to their best possible fitness as an organization producing real results with their digital product development.
Gil’s method’s core strength, and the way it is presented in the book, is for companies that are building complex technical products, so it fits nicely with what we do as Product Managers in the digital world.
Utilizing system thinking for everyone involved in creating the product, Gil identifies 6 fitness aspects to measure our team/system. Then, with the team, we score the overall level of fitness (based on a very simple scoring system for each fitness aspect). Once we have our score (and we have to be honest about where we are!), we fit into a level on a scale of 5 levels. The move up the ladder from each level to the next is sequential, applying strategies that Gil explains in detail in the book.
Join us as we discuss Gil’s process on the show. In the episode you will also learn:
What is “a system”?How do we define the system of delivering a technical product?The importance of assessing the fitnessThe 6 fitness aspectsSome strategies to move between fitness levelsHow each strategy fits in the level the company is atWhat happens if we don’t apply the strategies in the right order?Is assessing our company’s fitness and applying the strategies fitting a specific development process (scrum, kanban, waterfall etc) or is it agnostic?And much more…And as a bonus for our listeners, you can download the first chapter right here: heardonpodcast.deliverbetterresultsbook.com
You can connect with Gil at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gilbroza/New book “Deliver Better Results: How to Unlock Your Organization’s Potential”: https://DeliverBetterResultsBook.com3P Vantage: https://3pvantage.com/You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Product for Product Podcast- https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 07 Feb 2024 - 98 - EP 97 - Naming Our Products with Orly ZeewyContinuing our learning on carving the product’s story (with Tovit Neizer in the previous episode), in this episode we explored how we name our products, and why is it even important to have a good name!
Joining Matt and Moshe, our guest is Orly Zeewy, Founder, Author and Speaker. Orly’s main passion in everything she does is to take companies’ messaging from fuzzy to clear, so they can attract more ideal clients and grow their business. And what is more concise in making things clear than the name of the company and products?
This focus and love for good names shines in every discussion with Orly. She is a well of knowledge, sharing with us many examples of names that work vs some that don’t. The importance of a great name is usually understated. There is a myth out there that the name doesn’t really matter. But is that correct?
Exploring it on the episode, Orly shared her opinion, as well the method she is using with her clients to come up with good names.
Join us in learning how to come up with a name for your products, and so much more!
In the episode you will learn:
How did Orly get to do what she doesReading people and learning also from what they don’t sayThe importance of clarityMethods such as design thinking, listening, brand strategy building, elevator pitch etcHow to come up with a product nameShould we start with a logo first?What criteria to look for in a good nameHow culture impact good or bad namesIs ChatGPT a good name?The one most important aspect of a good nameAnd much more…You can connect with Orly at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/orlyzeewy/Zeewy Brands: https://zeewybrands.com/10 personal brand tips (free download): https://crafty-thinker-1809.ck.page/0a9243edbcUpcoming “What’s Your Pitch” workshop: https://crafty-thinker-1809.ck.page/products/elevator-pitch-workshop-seriesBook - “Ready, Launch, Brand: The Lean Marketing Guide for Startups” - https://www.amazon.com/Ready-Launch-Brand-Marketing-Startups-dp-0367466627/dp/0367466627You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Product for Product Podcast- https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 24 Jan 2024 - 97 - EP 96 - Crafting the Product Story with Tovit NeizerHappy New Year product people! We are starting the year with some exciting guests that we have recently met through many different networking events (both online and offline) and we thought their unique point of views can give you so much value!
Our first one is Tovit Neizer. Tovit is a business storyteller, owner and chief storyteller at Yellow Bricks. But she is so much more than that - she is an author, her career had multiple entrepreneurship with startups she founded, and she actually started in journalism. Her career has led her in an interesting, sometimes winding path to where she is these days - helping startups and other businesses understand and carve their story, so they can convey it better to the world.
As product managers, we know how important it is to be storytellers, so that we can connect with our audience - whether it is our clients and users, or our stakeholders - in a deeper, more meaningful, way. But we don’t always have the right tools to convey these stories. That’s where Tovit comes into the picture, and that’s what we talked with her in this episode.
Using a very simple tool (and once you listen to the episode you will also see the pan there), our imagination can open up towards describing our products, and place them in a story that can then excite everyone!
So come in and listen to our episode, where you can also learn:The power of listening and waitingHow journalism can help product managers! Some of the parallels between how journalists work and the product management workHow to write your product story? A simple actionable process Can Matt and Moshe write their stories using that tool?Which object is ChatGPT?Is there a right way to tell our story? Or many ways?And so much more…You can connect with Tovit at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tovitneizer/ Yellow Bricks Website: https://www.yellowbricks.net/ You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: Product for Product Podcast- https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast Matt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 17 Jan 2024 - 96 - EP 95 - It's a Wrap 2023 with Matt and MosheWhat a year! We are wrapping up 2023, an exciting, filled with learning, both professionally and personally for both of us!So we decided, in the spirit of so many others these days, to have a wrap-up episode and talk about so many things we covered on the podcast!
We had 30 episodes, 25 guests from 4 continents. We covered 15 products in 3 themed serieses - async communication tools, user testing tools, and new tools built by young startups. We also started this year covering books for Product people, talking with 4 authors on anything from a 10 year best seller to a newly released book. We covered hot topics like the sunsetting of Google Optimize, the rise of Product Ops and design systems, and of course, we couldn’t stay away from AI and GenAI. We also learned some important concepts to help us build our career, from building a Product Culture, pricing SaaS products, assessing our competency as individual product people, and building a product team scorecard to assess the team’s success.
We would like to thank each and every guest that came on the show! We couldn’t have done it without you: Henry Latham, Gustavo Razzetti, Gerisha Nadaraju & Anabela Cesário, Magali Pelissier, Justin Meats, Mandar Karlekar, Alex Gueriguian, Ben Yoskovitz, Dan Balcauski, Ravi Mehta, Shiva Manjunath, Kevin Hawkins, Premika PoSaw, Mike Green, Tracy Laranjo, Igor Voloshin, Alex Wilson, Ross Webb, Dan Olsen, George Whitfield, Sumeet Rana, Moodi Mahmoudi, Ohad Biron, and Itamar Gilad.
We can’t wait to continue this journey in the next year! We have some great episodes planned, and looking forward to learn and share more in the Product for Product Podcast!Happy New Year everyone!Matt & Moshe
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Product for Product Podcast- https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 20 Dec 2023 - 95 - EP 94 - Evidence Guided with Itamar GiladWe have a special guest for you in this episode!
Itamar Gilad is a product coach, keynote speaker and now the author of the bestseller Evidence Guided: Creating High Impact Products in the Face of Uncertainty.
For two decades, he held senior product management and engineering roles at Google, Microsoft, and a number of startups. Itamar is the creator of the GIST (Goals, Ideas, Steps and Tasks) model, the Confidence Meter, and other widely-used frameworks and tools. He is a regular speaker at industry events, and he publishes a popular product management newsletter - High Impact Product Management.
Like many other thought leaders in our industry, Gilad learned the hard way what works and what not. Working at Google on Gmail, and taking part in integrating Gmail with G+ (remember that one?). While there, he came up with the idea to split the inbox into different lists of incoming emails based on the user’s interest. The idea was great, but implementing it the right way took many many efforts, all while seeing what happens with G+ adoption. Throughout this experience, Gilad deeply understood how not to go by to develop new products, and developed his GIST model.
In addition, we learned:
The GIST framework and its componentsThe importance of understanding ICE prioritization and how not to misuse itHow to measure confidence?How the scientific method is relevant to building productsWhere does Agile fit in?And so much more…You can connect with Itamar at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itamargilad/Website: Itamargilad.comEvidence Guided: Evidenceguided.comResources:Itamargilad.com/recoursesYou can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Product for Product Podcast- https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 13 Dec 2023 - 94 - EP 93 - Startups: Bagel with Ohad BironContinuing our second edition of the startup series, in this episode, Matt and Moshe are joined by Ohad Biron, Co-Founder & CEO of Bagel.
Ohad has the unique experience being a Product person that moved to Sales and other areas of customer success. Working on both ends, he had seen and experienced the tension that sometimes exists between what the go-to-market teams deal with when their clients' needs are not met or not being taken into consideration by the product team.
This is the problem Ohad came to solve with Bagel! We had great time chatting with him to learn how Bagel can help:
How Bagel bridges the gap between product and sales, support and success teamsBagel’s focus from within products that people know and use dailyHow AI and data analytics can identify opportunities otherwise hidden in piles of dataWhat to look for when choosing products to useWhat is the future of generative AIAnd so much more!
You can connect with Ohad at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ohadbiron/Bagel: https://www.getbagel.com/You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: -
Product for Product Podcast- https:linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - https://linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 29 Nov 2023 - 93 - EP 92 - Startups: NEXT with Moodi MahmoudiContinuing our second edition of the startup series, in this episode, Matt and Moshe are joined by Moodi Mahmoudi, Founder & CEO of NEXT.
NEXT is an AI-powered product discovery platform that turns customer interactions into product insights. NEXT collects customer interactions, accurately understands these interactions, and delivers evidence-based insights teams use to validate day-to-day product decisions and big-picture ideas.
We had great time chatting with Moodi, where we learned about:
His journey as an entrepreneur and the different startups he founded over the yearsThe technical revolutions that enabled being able to build NEXTWhat NEXT is all about - Video-first approach for customer interactions to bring the best empathy to users, what they say and how they say itHow NEXT helps with organizing and understanding qualitative dataHow NEXT helps generating answer to questions, and back it up with clips from customers conversations to create the trust that is so needed from AIHow NEXT helps accelerating our workflow - generating a PRD or a bug reportSystems that NEXT is integrated with and where users and their inputs are coming fromThe trusted co-pilot - what type of questions a Product Manager can ask NEXT and get great results?How can CEOs that are usually remote from their users, can develop a deep empathy for their users?And much more!
You can connect with Moodi at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/moodimahmoudi/NEXT: https://www.nextapp.co/
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast- https://linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - https://linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky -https://linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 15 Nov 2023 - 92 - EP 91 - Startups: Prodhub with Sumeet Rana
Continuing our second edition of the startup series, in this episode, Matt and Moshe are joined by Sumeet Rana, Founder & CEO of Prodhub.
Prodhub was built to become the Github for Product Managers, with the vision of reducing all the repeatable work product people have when they need to define again and again many common product features that every product has. Think about user registration, login, licensing, and so many more!
Experiencing this first hand in the different product management roles Sumeet had at Disney and Expedia, he decided to do something about it and build a solution. Prodhub helps Product Managers by auto-generating PRDs and user stories or using a pre-built library of user stories.
We had great time chatting with Sumeet, and learn about:
- How Sumeet discovered the problem that Prodhub solves, and how he researched and validate it
- How Prodhub solves that problem, and the many ways it can be used to improve product managers work
- What he learned from working at Disney and Expedia on how to build products
- Where product teams should focus their efforts, to create unique value
- Being inspired by Github for developers, and how Prodhub create similar focus for product people
- His journey as a founder and where Prodhub is right now in this startup journey
- How do we make sure we don’t stop innovation even with the things that were developed many times before?
- The risks in GenAI vs the value of saving time
- What is coming next for Prodhub, and the future of GenAI
- And much more!
You can connect with Sumeet at:
- Email: sumeet@prodhub.ai
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/su...
- Prodhub: https://prodhub.ai/
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
- http://linkedin.com/company/pr... linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast *
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/ma... - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/
- http://www.linkedin.com/in/mik... - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 01 Nov 2023 - 91 - EP 90 - Startups: FindOurView with George WhitfieldToday we are starting a second edition to our startup series! We enjoyed in the past talking with startup founders about the products they are building, so we have collected for you some new tools that are helping Product Managers in new ways!
In this episode, Matt and Moshe are joined by George Whitfield, Co-Founder and CEO of FindOurView, as well as Entrepreneur in Residence at the Martin Trust Center for MIT Entrepreneurship and Lecturer at the MIT Sloan School of Management.
FindOurView is a generative AI product that helps product managers in the discovery process, analyzing and providing proof for hypotheses based on user interviews. It solves the problem of many product people who have the raw data of those interviews, but need to sift through them, read and reread them, and spend hours to find what the data says about a specific question in hand.
We had a fascinating discussion with George about the future of product research. Amongst other things we talked about:
What FindOurView is and how they got to build itHow they pivoted from feedback collection to an AI assistant that helps product researches with their JTBDHow to use FindOurViewHow ChatGPT opened the floodgates to this type of solutions but what’s the risks of users trusting AI blindlyThe importance of recognizing our biases when doing researchHow many research points do we need, and can AI help us nail it down betterA product recommendation from their stackAnd much more!You can connect with George at:
Email: George@findourview.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/george-whitfield-mit/FindOurView: https://www.findourview.com/
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast- linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Mon, 16 Oct 2023 - 90 - EP 89 - The Lean Product Playbook with Dan OlsenWe have a special guest for you in this episode!
Dan Olsen is a product consultant and coach (he helps companies like Box and Facebook build great products and strong teams), speaker and trainer (giving his trainings and talks around the world), but most importantly for our podcast, he is the author of The Lean Product Playbook - How to Innovate With Minimum Viable Products and Rapid Customer Feedback, a must read for every product manager.
Dan has a wealth of knowledge and experience, and his passion for building great products the right way comes through with every idea we talked about. In the podcast he shared with us how he started and got to Product Management, how it was to work in digital products before product management was even a thing and the direction he sees the world is moving to in product management.
In addition, we learned:
What is the "The Lean Product Playbook" book about?How did he get to write it?How it can help Product Managers through a practical process and stepsWhat is the one (or two) most important topic or tool in the book that Product people should learn and apply?Would he change anything in the book since it was published?His thoughts on other frameworks and tools created by other product leadersWhich tools does he recommend product managers to use?What would be one metric to use for product-market fit?And so much more…
You can connect with Dan at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danolsen98/Website: dan-olsen.comLean Product Meetups: Meetups.com/lean-productYou can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Product for Product Podcast- linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 27 Sep 2023 - 89 - EP 88 - Product Team Success Scorecard with Ross WebbHow do we measure our product team success?
That question is in the center of this podcast episode, where Matt and Moshe invited Ross Webb, Principal Product Manager at Amazon and Host of the Product Team Success Podcast to share with us his method to build a Product Team Success Scorecard.In the episode Ross shared what the Success Scorecard is, which problem it is solving, and how he came by with the need to develop one. Since developing and using it successfully and iterating on it several times, Ross has been teaching others on the importance of creating one, and what elements to look for when using it.
In the episode we also touched on:
Who is the Product Team Success Scorecard for?The components of the scorecard and how to utilize itThe process to come up with your company’s scorecardThe relationship between the organization’s culture, the product culture and the team successHow using it over time helps leadership understand product management, and become a better partner to the product teamWhat the scorecard is notAnd much more!
You can connect with Ross at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rosswebb/Website: https://theproduct.coachProduct Team Success Podcast: https://theproduct.coach/blogYou can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Product for Product Podcast- linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 20 Sep 2023 - 88 - EP 87 - Design Systems with Alex WilsonHave you ever been told that you need a Design System for your product and you had no idea what it is? Here is your chance to learn!
In this episode we met with Alex Wilson, AVP, Design System Engineering Lead at T. Rowe Price, who has built a Design System from the ground up. Dealing with some corporate resistance, and starting the Design System as a grassroots project within the organization, Alex with his team and peers were able to successfully build and iterate on such a system, and propagate it throughout the company. This in turn helped different design and development teams in building better cohesive and similarly designed products, creating value to their clients and users with consistency in their usability.
In this episode you will learn:
What a Design System is?What are the components of a Design System?How does a Design System help in building products?What does it take to build a Design System?The challenges: getting an approval to invest in building a Design System, and adoptionAre there any existing Design Systems out there we can adopt?Which tools are used to build a Design System?What mistakes to avoid when building a Design System?One piece of advice a team that want to start building a Design SystemAnd much more!You can connect with Alex at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-wilson-mba-b2b46752/X: @CodebyalexYou can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Product for Product Podcast- linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 13 Sep 2023 - 87 - EP 86 - User Testing Wrap-up with Matt & MosheIn this podcast episode, Matt and Moshe met to wrap up the User Testing Tools series, and share what they learned after discussing several products, from both the perspective of product designers who test their designs, and the POV of a tester, who tests other designs.
In the series we learned about Maze, Userzoom, UsabilityHub and UserTesting from Kevin Hawkins, Dovetail from Premika PoSaw, Lookback from Mike Green, User Interviews from Igor Voloshin, and the tester perspective using UserTesting and Conversion Crimes from Tracy Laranjo.
As we usually do in the summary episode, we looked back at our learning throughout the series, and there sure were a lot of learnings!
But we also raised some additional interesting questions:- What is the priority of companies in using such platforms?- How much time and effort companies spend in general on user testing?- What is the future of AI providing insights from the user tests feedback?- And much more!
Thank you to our guests in this series for sharing with us their experiences!
Product for Product siteProduct for Product Podcast
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:MattMoshe
*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 06 Sep 2023 - 86 - EP 85 - User Interviews with Igor VoloshinWe are continuing the series on User Testing tools, and this time we are learning about User Interviews. To explore this product we invited Igor Voloshin, Discovery Team Head at CoinsPaid, to share his experience.
Other than being the guy that is “always with a smile on face” as his awasof social media handle proclaims, and one of the good guys in Russia these days who wants peace and for things to go back to how they were or better, he shared with us how he got to be a discovery head, how he and his team use User Interviews to organize their, well, user interviews!
In this episode, we discussed:
What are they using User Interviews for?How to do recruiting and schedulingSome of the platform’s limitations in geographyHow the interviews are organized and where they are performedDifferent incentives optionsThe stress of managing our own pool of users, and how often can we utilize them without annoying them too muchFavorite and least favorite featuresOpportunities and areas where the platform can growAnd much more…
To learn more about User Interviews:
User Interviews
Connect with Igor:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/awasof/X/Instagram: @awasof
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
Matt GreenMoshe Mikanovsky
*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐Wed, 30 Aug 2023 - 85 - EP 84 - A User Tester & Participant POV with Tracy Laranjo
Welcome back to our ongoing series on User Testing tools. Today, we have a returning guest, Tracy Laranjo, who will share her valuable insights on being both a tester and a participant in the user testing experience.
What’s it like on both sides of testingWhat to expect as a testing participantThe Pros and Cons of being a participantAdvice to those giving the testHer use of Usertesting and Conversion CrimesAnd much more…
Tracy is a Fractional CRO Specialist and Co-Founder of the “From A to B” Podcast. She has extensive experience running user tests in her previous roles and has also participated in them. Her unique perspective on both sides of the testing experience makes her an ideal guest to discuss the challenges and opportunities of user testing.
During our conversation, Tracy will share her thoughts on the importance of user testing, how to prepare for a test, and what to expect as a participant. She will also provide tips on how to analyze the results of a test and use them to improve the product.
We are thrilled to have Tracy back on the show and look forward to learning from her wealth of experience. Tune in to hear her insights and advice on user testing.
In this episode, we discussed:
Connect with Tracy and her Podcast:
TracyFrom A to BConnect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn
Matt GreenMoshe Mikanovsky
* Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐Wed, 23 Aug 2023 - 84 - EP 83 - Lookback with Mike GreenAs we continue our series on User Testing tools, we invited Mike Green, freelance User Research Lead and Podcaster of the Understanding Users podcast, to discuss the product Lookback.
Mike explains how Lookback enables remote user testing and provides a platform for researchers to analyze user behavior and feedback. He highlights the benefits of using Lookback, including its ease of use, its ability to capture both audio and video, and its integration with other research tools. Mike also shares his experiences using Lookback in his own research, and provides tips for researchers looking to conduct effective remote user testing. Overall, the podcast provides valuable insights for anyone looking to improve their user research practices and incorporate remote testing into their research process.
In this episode, we discussed:The importance of UX design in government products, and some of the restrictions they haveWhat he looks for in a user testing toolsThe ecosystem of other tools he utilizes and Lookback integrationsThe ability to bring his own users for testing his designsEasy use of the tool, and how it helps in saving time and money on travel expensesRecommendations how to conduct effective user testing with LookbackThe power in show-and-tell to stakeholdersThings he likes and dislikes about the toolHis take on AI in UX researchAnd so much more…
To learn more about Lookback:Lookback
Connect with Mike:LinkedIn: Mike Green Website: Researchable.uk
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
Matt GreenMoshe Mikanovsky
*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 16 Aug 2023 - 83 - EP 82 - Dovetail with Premika PoSawThe podcast episode features a discussion with Premika PoSaw, a Principal UX Designer at GovTech Singapore, about the user testing tool Dovetail. The conversation covers the benefits of user testing, the different types of user testing methods, and the challenges that designers may face when conducting user testing. Premika also shares her experiences with using Dovetail and provides insights on how to effectively incorporate user feedback into the design process. Overall, the podcast provides valuable information for designers looking to improve their user testing practices and create more user-centered designs.
In this episode, we discussed:
The main ways she uses Dovetail to store, analyze, and collaborate on user research data.Features that help users organize their data, such as note-taking, tagging, highlighting quotes, video snippets and clustering.Integrations with popular user research tools such as UserTesting and Optimal Workshop.Various ways to visualize and analyze research data, such as charts, graphs, and heat maps.Collaboration features, such as the ability to share research data and insights with team members and stakeholders.Discipline required to structure the information in the repositoryThe power of the tool to help a large UX team collect and manage all the data, and find it quickly when needed to answer hypotheses questionsAnd so much more…
To learn more about Dovetail:
DovetailConnect with Premika:
Premika PoSawConnect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
Matt GreenMoshe Mikanovsky
*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 09 Aug 2023 - 82 - EP 81 - UsabilityHub & UserTesting with Kevin HawkinsIn the first episode of our User Testing Tools series, Matt and Moshe introduced Kevin Hawkins, Global UX Director at Glovo, who shared his insights on what features a user testing platform should have, and spoke about the tools Maze and UserZoom.
Now, in the second episode, Kevin joins us again to discuss two additional user testing products, UsabilityHub and UserTesting.
But the episode is not just about these products!With his broad experience in design across various professional, educational, and global organizations, Kevin teaches us so much more about what we can do with user testing platforms!
In this episode, we discussed:
How did UserTesting become the largest platform on the market?How to choose the right platform based on our products personas and target audienceWhich one of he tools is focused more on moderated and which on unmoderated testThe mechanics of using our design options for the unmoderated testsHow many steps should the test be?Which product is better at capacity planning and knowing how long to do the test?Which product has the best analysis functionality?Are current AI trends already included in these products?Which of the 4 products we talked with Kevin about fit better in which company size, from startup to enterpriseThings he like and doesn’t like about each of the productsWhat is in the future for these products?And so much more…
To learn more..
UserTesting: https://www.usertesting.com/UseabilityHub: https://usabilityhub.com/
Connect with Kevin:
Linkedin: KevinWebsite: http://www.kevinthecreator.com/
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
MattMoshe
*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Tue, 01 Aug 2023 - 81 - EP 80 - Maze & UserZoom with Kevin HawkinsStarting the User Testing Tools series, Matt and Moshe have a special treat for you, as they met with Kevin Hawkins, Global UX Director at Glovo, to talk about not one product, but four products! With Kevin's broad experience in design, both across time, professional and educational organizations, as well as across continents and many countries, Kevin has deep knowledge and understanding of what features a user testing platform should have, and how these four tools compare. To make it easier to consume, we have split our learning with Kevin to two episodes. The first episode is focused on two products, Maze and UserZoom, and the second episode is focused on UsabilityHub & UserTesting.
In this episode, we discussed:
What are the types of products in this ecosystem, and which problems they are trying to solve?Making order in the space - what are the right terms to use, and which features to look forWhat is the magic number of users to test with?Maze & User Zoom: What is the their focus and what are they are good at? Which one is deep and which one is wide? What are some of the unique features of each platform?Should we compensate people for their time testing our tests?What one needs to know when conducting the tests, and how the tools help?Some of the things he like and dislike about each of the productsAnd much more…
To learn more about Maze: https://maze.co/
To learn more about UserZoom: https://www.userzoom.com/
Connect with Kevin:
Linkedin: KevinWebsite: http://www.kevinthecreator.com/
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
MattMoshe
*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 19 Jul 2023 - 80 - EP 79 - User Testing Tools Kickoff with Matt & MosheWe have a new series for our product management audience, exploring the world of User Testing Tools. In the kickoff episode, Matt and Moshe met to discuss what testing tools are, and what they are expecting to learn in this series, such as:
What are the features of user testing tools?Who usually uses them?Where are the testers coming from?What scenarios can be tested?How are results analyzed?And more!
The products we will discuss include UserTesting (yes, that’s the name of one of the platforms), Maze, Userzoom, UsabilityHub, Dovetail, Lookback and more.
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
MattMoshe
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 12 Jul 2023 - 79 - EP 78 - Google Optimize Sunset with Shiva ManjunathGoogle is sunsetting Google Optimize on September 30th 2023, and the experimentation world is abuzz. Some are upset about losing this free experimentation tool, while others feel it’s a good thing for the future of experiments. Many competing vendors are jumping on the bandwagon to get the business, but some companies will stop experimenting all together.
Matt and Moshe dove into this boiling pot with Shiva Manjunath, Experimentation Manager at Solo Brands, and Founder and Co-host at From A to B, to get some insights from an expert in the experimentation field about the situation.
Shiva shared with us his take on why people used Google Optimize and some of the varied sentiments with the unfolding situation.
In this episode you will learn:
Why is Google sunsetting Optimize?Who is using Google Optimize and how is it really going to affect themWas Google Optimize ever the right product for serious experimentation?How did other vendors react to the announcement?The silver lining of the situationSome general thoughts about experimentation; which experimentations tools he likes and might recommend, build vs buy approaches; the future of AI in experimentationAnd much more!You can connect with Shiva at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shiva-manjunath/From A to B Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/company/from-a-to-b-podcast/From A to B Podcast on Spotify: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/from-a-to-bYou can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Product for Product Podcast- linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Tue, 27 Jun 2023 - 78 - EP 77 - Product Competency Toolkit with Ravi MehtaHave you ever wondered what are all the things you need to know to become the best Product Manager? Or what to look for when hiring product managers for your team, and how to grow them in their career?
In our latest episode Matt and Moshe met with Ravi Mehta, Co-Founder and CEO at Outpace (formerly Executive In Residence at Reforge, CPO at Tinder, and various Product leadership roles at Facebook, TripAdvisor, and Xbox). Ravi shared with us how he mistakenly found his way into product management at Microsoft, and how he grew in his career since then.
As a VP of Consumer Product at TripAdvisor, Ravi developed the Product Competency Toolkit, which helps product professionals identify their strengths and weaknesses, and provide them direction on areas to focus on.
In this episode you will learn:
What’s better - a well rounded Product Manager, or a pointy one?The structure and components of the toolkitShould we hire product people based on their subject matter expertise, or their product skills?What is Outpace and how did he get to build itWhat product managers should do to move up in their careerWhat to do if the org does not have a strategy in place?And much more!You can connect with Rahvi at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ravimehta/Ravi’s blog: ravi-metah.comOutpace: https://www.outpace.co/Product Competency Toolkit : https://www.ravi-mehta.com/product-manager-roles/You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Product for Product Podcast- linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 07 Jun 2023 - 77 - EP 76 - Pricing SaaS Products with Dan BalcauskiProduct pricing is one of the challenges we have in Product Management, but we either shy away from it, or alternatively, only use our gut feeling to set up a price, or even worth, price our products compared to our competition.
That’s why we invited SaaS pricing expert, Dan Balcauski, Founder and Chief Pricing Officer at Product Tranquility. Dan helps high-volume B2B SaaS CEOs define pricing and packaging for new products. In this episode, Matt and Moshe learned from Dan about the right price for beer, but more importantly, what it takes to come up with software product pricing, as well as some of the tools used in the process.
In this episode you will learn:
The differences in pricing between different types of productsDifferent type of pricing modelsIs pricing a one time process or ongoing?Who owns pricing in the team?How do we come up with the “right” price?What type of research can one do to determine pricing?Framing your product and changing people perception to how much they are willing to pay for itTools used for the pricing decision supportDifferent way to package our products and how it drives pricingAnd much more!You can connect with Dan at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/balcauski/Product Tranquility: https://www.producttranquility.com/You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Product for Product Podcast- linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Tue, 30 May 2023 - 76 - EP 75 - Lean Analytics with Ben Yoskovitz
We have talked in the past about tools for Product Analytics, but we have not yet talked about why analytics are so important for the product manager. It might seem obvious, but it is still a concept that needs more clarification.
Taking the theory of Lean Startup to a more actionable place, based on analytics and dataIdentifying the metrics that matter to you - what to track and what to focus on based on the business you are in and the stage you are atWhat makes a good metric? How do I know a number is a good one to look at? What has changed since writing the book?What product managers should learn and focus on?Balancing qualitative and quantitative data and analyticsAnd much more!You can connect with Ben at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/byosko/ Twitter: @byoskoFocused Chaos: https://www.focusedchaos.co/ Buy the book on Amazon: “Lean Analytics”You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin: Product for Product Podcast- linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcastMatt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
For exactly that reason, 10 years ago Ben Yoskovitz and Alistair Croll wrote the book “Lean Analytics: Use Data to Build a Better Startup Faster” (O'Reilly), and it is still relevant today, not only to startups entrepreneurs, but to product people.
In this episode, Moshe and Matt met with Ben Yoskovitz to hear about the different ways Product Managers use analytics, and what we can learn from Lean Analytics.
In the episode we talked about:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 17 May 2023 - 75 - EP 74 - Async Comms Wrap Up with Matt & MosheIn this podcast episode, Matt and Moshe met to wrap up the Asynchronous Communication Tools series, and share what they learned after discussing three popular products: Microsoft Teams, Loom, and Slack.
Microsoft Teams offers comprehensive collaboration features and seamless integration with Microsoft Office suite. Loom simplifies communication through easy video messaging and annotation capabilities, all managed and shared in one SaaS platform. Slack excels in real-time messaging and creating focused discussion channels with many tools and features to find the information later, for all kinds of async scenarios.
These tools enhance remote team collaboration and productivity in different ways, making them essential for modern work environments. Choose the right tool based on your team's needs and preferences to improve remote collaboration efforts.
Thank you to our guest!
Check out other episodes on the Product for Product site!
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Tue, 02 May 2023 - 74 - EP 73 - Slack with Alex GueriguianIn our new episode of the Async Communication Tools series Matt and Moshe met with Alex Gueriguian, Chief Product Officer at GoLoot, to talk about Slack as his team’s async communication hub.Slack is probably one of the more known products out there for everyone, but we still learned in this episode about some of the reasons and creative ways to use it.
Amongst other things we discussed:
Using Slack to replacing emails which are unstructured and hard to search inSlack is like a conveyor belt, bringing the source of truth to youThe importance of transparencyExamples for usage in product managementUsing Slack to communicate externally with clientsBuilding user relationship with a Slack communityPotential of AI to help us get up to speed and summarize discussionsAnd much more…
To learn more about Slack:
https://slack.com/
Connect with Alex on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexgueriguian/
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
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*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 19 Apr 2023 - 73 - EP 72 - Loom with Mandar Karlekar
In our next episode of the Async Communication Tools series Matt and Moshe met with Mandar Karlekar, Co-Founder and Product Consultant at Product Rocket, to talk about Loom and how he and his team uses it. With Loom, teams can radically reduce in-person meetings by creating videos of their desktop with their embedded camera video, explaining whatever needs to be explained, and share them on the Loom SaaS platform for whoever needs to see.
In the episode, we discussed:
- Use cases to use Loom
- Why use Loom vs other video recording
- Collaboration with other people on the Loom platform
- Integrations such as Miro, Slack, Productboard and other tool
- Editing features like timing, copy and cloning
- What he loves about Loom and some additional features he would like to see
- And much more…
To learn more about Loom:
- https://www.loom.com/
Connect with Mandar on LinkedIn:
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/ma...
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
- http://www.linkedin.com/in/mat...
- http://www.linkedin.com/in/mik...
*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 12 Apr 2023 - 72 - EP 71 - Microsoft Teams with Justin MeatsIn the first product of the Async Communication Tools series Matt and Moshe met with Justin Meats, VP of Product at RevLocal, to talk about MS Teams as an async (but also synched!) communication tool he is using with his team.
MS Teams gained a lot of traction in the past few years, especially with the effects of the Covid pandemic and remote work, but like any other tool, it is about how we use it.
In the episode, we discussed:
The importance of product culture, trust, transparency and communicationsUsages of MS Teams in different ways in their workflowsThe Microsoft ecosystem and how everything ties in togetherSome unique features that other similar products don’t haveWhy choose MS TeamsAnd much more…To learn more about MS Teams:
Microsoft TeamsConnect with Justin on LinkedIn:
JustinConnect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
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Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 29 Mar 2023 - 71 - EP 70 - Async Comms Tools Kickoff with Matt & Moshe
Welcome to the Async Communication Tools kickoff episode. Matt and Moshe met to discuss what is async communication and its importance to product managers and team.In this episode, Matt and Moshe discuss some of their expectations from the series and what they would like to learn, such as:
Where is the source of truth and how can we get to it easilyEmail as the only communication tool, its cons and other tools that can helpProduct ops role in establishing communicationCollaboration in documents and other toolsVideos and their usage to communicate asynchronouslyAnd more!The products we will discuss include MS Teams, Loom and Slack.
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
Matt GreenMoshe MikanovskyNote: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 15 Mar 2023 - 70 - EP 69 - AI Products for PMs with Magali Pelissier
In the past few years AI has gain momentum with many applications, but with the recent release of ChatGPT generative AI, the world seems to explode with new hype around the possibilities of giving the AI bot activities to solve for us.
Use cases where generative AI can assist product managers, such as competitive analysis, pre-mortem, personas, copywriting, etcThe ways to use ChatGPT and some limitations it might haveSome interesting tools such as:Meltwater to research trends and what people are talking aboutAttentionInsights for AI-generated attention analytics on UI designsPowerBI and AWS QuickSight for data insights beyond the raw data and dashboardsFuture trends and ideasWould AI replace product people?A bonus for our podcasters friends - AI tools used in the podcast productionAnd much more!You can connect with Magali at:LinkedInProduct Perspective Podcast
How does this new rush of tools impact the life of Product people?
In this episode, we met Magali Pelissier, a Director of DaaS development (Product and Technology) at RFI Global, and Podcast Creator, Producer and Host at the Product Perspectives Podcast. Magali is a self proclaimed AI addict, who loves exploring contemporary ways to help her in her work, especially if AI is involved.
In the episode we talked about:
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:Product for Product PodcastMatt GreenMoshe Mikanovsky
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 08 Mar 2023 - 69 - EP 68 - ProductOps with Gerisha Nadaraju & Anabela Cesário
Product Ops is a relatively new entity in the Product Management discipline of many companies. Similar to other operation functions in the organization, such as Dev Ops or Sales Ops, who provide central services to their departments, Product Ops provide such services to product people. And some of these services include the usage of tools.
What exactly is Product Ops, their function and role in the orgHow does Product Ops handle the tools and products that Product Managers useThe process to select the right tool for the product team, either centrally for everyone or organically from specific usersProducts their teams use and whyAnd much more!
In this panel episode, we met two leaders in Product Ops, Gerisha Nadaraju and Anabela Cesario. Gerisha is the Head of Product Operations at Dojo, and the Founder and Host of the Product Ops Podcast. Anabela is the VP of Product Operations and Chief of Staff to CPO at OutSystems.
In the episode we talked about:
* You can connect with Gerisha at:
LinkedInProduct Ops Podcast* You can connect with Anabela at:
LinkedInFree Miro board
* You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product PodcastMatt GreenMoshe Mikanovsky
* Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Mon, 27 Feb 2023 - 68 - EP 67 - Building Product Culture with Gustavo Razzetti
Product Culture is one of the things that we see throughout our work and talking with other Product people which can make or break your product success.
What organization culture is and what it is notWho does their best work (hint, it’s not the fearful employees!)Some of the frameworks and tools he developed like the Culture Design Canvas and the Address the Stinky Fish CanvasHow a Product Manager, or anyone really, can handle stakeholder or others without an authorityWhat C-Level should and should not do when they want to create great productsHow the world had change since Covid-19 and why companies should not go back to the office full timeAnd much more!
In this exciting episode, we met Gustavo Razzetti, CEO at Fearless Culture and best-selling author of “Remote, Not Distant: Design a Company Culture that Will Help You Thrive in a Hybrid Workplace”. Gustavo works with companies and many individuals around the world to help them design their workplace culture. Throughout his work, he met with many product companies and helped them create a healthy culture that elevates their products.
In the episode we talked about:
* You can connect with Gustavo at:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gustavorazzetti/Fearless Culture: https://www.fearlessculture.design/Free tools for building your workplace cultureBuy the book “Remote Not Distance”
* You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product Podcast
Matt GreenMoshe Mikanovsky
* Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 15 Feb 2023 - 67 - EP 66 - Tech Tools to Know for Product with Matt & Moshe
Are you a Product Manager that started from a non-technical background? Do you want to learn about a few technical tools and skills that can help you on your product journey?
On the Data end, SQL and the basic things you can do with it to learn about how your product is doingOn the Back End, using APIs and Postman.On the Front End, using Chrome (or other browser) developers tools to play around with the CSS of your siteThere are of course other tools that can be used for the more technically savvy amongst us. But remember, as Product Managers, our job is to focus on our clients and organization and their problems, not to build solutions for them.
In this episode, Matt and Moshe discuss some basic tools that can help all product managers. Dividing it to the common, most basic product stack - Front End (UI), Back End and Data, we covered the following:
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
*Matt - www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics
*Moshe - www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky
*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 08 Feb 2023 - 66 - EP 65 - Product Strategy is Simple with Henry Latham
We are pleased to start 2023 with a returning guest, to talk about his upcoming new book for the Product Management community. Henry Latham, Founder and Lead Mentor at Prod MBA, is publishing “Product Strategy is Simple”. A much needed perspective in the ever growing world of product management knowledge, many people think that Product Strategy is HARD. This was the goal Henry had in front of him when writing the book. From his own words: Product Management is Simple is a short, actionable guide to craft, validate & communicate your product strategy effectively, perfected from coaching over 270 Product Managers, Owners & Leaders in product strategy. In the episode, we talked with Henry about:
Why he wrote the bookWhat the book coversWhat is product strategyHow is it different from other product strategy booksHow do we keep product strategy simpleAnd much more!
The book is now available! Check it out here:
AmazonProduct Strategy is Simple Book
You can connect with Henry at:
LinkedInProdMBA
You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
Product for Product PodcastMatt GreenMoshe Mikanovsky
Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 11 Jan 2023 - 65 - EP 64 - UX/UI and Wireframing Wrap Up with Matt & Moshe
Although many of us product people have UX and UI designers on our teams, it is not a bad idea to know how to use some of the tools used for designing our products, especially in the wireframing phase, when the design are low-fidelity, and we need to figure out what the best way to contain data on the screens, and the most efficient way for users to use the system.
In the series, we covered Figma, Miro, Lucidchart and Balsamiq. In this episode Matt and Moshe met again to summarize what they learned.
Some of the discussion points include:
Low fidelity vs. high fidelity, and how the tool we choose can influence the steps we take in the design
The importance of not skipping the low fidelity, wireframing step, and why jumping right away to high fidelity can be a problem to the users
One tool that does it all vs. specialized tools for each step
Collaboration with the help of the tool
And more!
* Product for Product site
https://www.spreaker.com/show/product-for-product
* You can find the podcast’s page, and connect with Matt and Moshe on Linkedin:
- Product for Product Podcast - linkedin.com/company/product-for-product-podcast
- Matt Green - linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics/
- Moshe Mikanovsky - linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky/
*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Wed, 02 Nov 2022 - 64 - EP 63 - Balsamiq with Sufian Siddiqi
Welcome to the UX/UI and Wireframing series, where we explore different tools that Product Managers use in the design process, either on their own or with the help of a UX/UI Designer.
In this episode, Matt and Moshe had the pleasure of speaking with Sufian Siddiqi, Lead Product Manager at Lucid Motors, about the tool Balsamiq. Sufian has been using it for years now, since it was in beta. He loves the simplicity of the product, especially at the early stages of a product ideation.
In the episode, Sufian talks about:
Why he uses Balsamiq
How using a more designer oriented system runs the risk of skipping the wireframing step
Collaboration and prototyping with Balsamiq
Using template
Learning how to wireframe with Balsamiq’s resources
And so much more!
To learn more about Balsamiq:
https://balsamiq.com/
Connect with Sufian:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sufian/
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
*Matt - www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics
*Moshe - www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky
*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Tue, 25 Oct 2022 - 63 - EP 62 - Lucidchart with Faith Peterson
Welcome to the UX/UI and Wireframing series, where we explore different tools that Product Managers use in the design process, either on their own or with the help of a UX/UI Designer.
In this episode, Matt and Moshe had the pleasure of speaking with Faith Peterson, Senior Product Manager at interviewstream, about the tool Lucidchart. Faith is a great advocate of team collaboration, and doing the job no matter which tool you have. She also loves diving deep into the tools she is using, and therefore knows the ins and outs of Lucidchat and Lucidspark.
In the episode, Faith talks about:
* One tool for all collaboration needs
* Ability to do hotspots and export them in a way that is navigable for user testing
* Lucidchart branding vs. what it can actually do
* Templates for UX/UI
* Usage of templates for the beginner vs. experienced user
* Integrations with many products such as Jira, MS PowerPoint, Google and more
* Collaboration features in Lucidchart vs. Lucidspark
* And so much more!
To learn more about Lucidchart:
https://www.lucidchart.com/
Connect with Faith:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/faithpeterson/
Connect with Matt and Moshe on LinkedIn:
*Matt - www.linkedin.com/in/mattgreenanalytics
*Moshe - www.linkedin.com/in/mikanovsky
*Note: any views mentioned in the podcast are the sole views of our hosts and guests, and do not represent the products mentioned in any way.
Please leave us a review and feedback ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Tue, 20 Sep 2022
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