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After almost six weeks of war, how did Pakistan manage to get the US and Iran to talk?

Amid a still-fragile situation in the Middle East, that question sits at the heart of this conversation with Maleeha Lodhi. She has served as Pakistan’s ambassador to Washington, as well as to the UK and United Nations.

For her, the Islamabad talks mark a moment of wider significance, as the middle powers demonstrate their capacity to influence geopolitics.

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02:55 - Pakistan as a peacebroker
05:00 - Field Marshal Asim Munir and President Trump
07:49 - Pakistan and Iran
10:00 - Economic pain in Pakistan
13:40 - Israel and Lebanon
14:45 - “I'd like to be optimistic”
19:30 - US miscalculations
22:00 - “US dominance is fading”
23:00 Middle powers can “shape geopolitics”
23:53 - Is China a winner?
29:00 - Trump’s Board of Peace
29:50 - “Common ground can be found”

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Lionel Shriver has often tackled complex or contentious issues in her fiction. From school shootings in We Need to Talk About Kevinto economic collapse in The Mandibles. 

Her new novel, A Better Life, is the story of a family home taken over by outsiders. In this conversation with Mishal Husain, Shriver discusses the sociological concerns behind the story, which she says is a metaphor for the increase in undocumented US immigration during the Biden administration. 

Shriver is a regular columnist for The Spectator, a conservative UK magazine. The link between the writing styles in that publication and her novel also feature in this episode.

In the written version of this conversation, you’ll find more information on how Mishal Husain researched and prepared for this interview, including her own notes, data, historical context and further quotes from Lionel Shriver. www.bloomberg.com/latest/weekend-interview

02:27 - Inspiration for A Better Life
03:39 - Extended adolescence
06:32 - A metaphor for America
10:21 - Shriver’s political journey
12:42 - Declining populations
17:02 - ICE tactics
20:34 - From North Carolina to Northern Ireland
22:57 - Rebelling against church
24:30 - Transgender debate
30:07 - Why Shriver left the UK
32:26 - Muslim immigration
35:32 - Novels versus columns
40:12 - Writing for shorter attention spans
41:30 - Shriver’s recovery from illness

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With attention fixed on the potential developments between the US and Iran, could the Israeli government be forced to end the war earlier than it might like?

The last few weeks have seen daily air strikes by Israel on Iran, and retaliatory attacks that have killed and injured Israelis. The wider picture is of two and a half years of constant conflict, particularly in Gaza.

In this conversation, Mishal Husain speaks to Shira Efron, who has been a Middle East analyst for the last 20 years and is now Distinguished Chair for Israel Policy at RAND. They discuss Israeli public opinion on Iran, the extent of the military operation in Lebanon and what’s at stake in the Israeli election due later this year.

02:25 - Life in Tel Aviv
04:42 - Israeli public opinion on Iran
06:24 - “A feeling of deja vu”
07:42 - Netanyahu's calculation
09:17 - Will elections go ahead?
10:59 - Did the Mossad get it wrong?
12:44 - American public opinion
14:24 - US and Israeli relations
18:24 - “There's one boss and this boss is President Trump”
20:11 - The future of Lebanon
23:52 - “Everyone forgot where Gaza is”
31:21 - Smotrich’s plan
33:44 - “We are seeing a shift to the right”
37:37 - Looking ahead to 2028

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US Representative Ro Khanna of California helped force Donald Trump to release the Epstein files. Now he wants to end the war with Iran. Earlier this month, the Democratic Congressman joined forces with Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky, a Republican, on a War Powers resolution seeking to halt the military action, though it ultimately failed in the GOP-controlled House.

Speaking to Mishal Husain almost three weeks after the US and Israel began coordinated attacks on Iran, Khanna says he believes that  opposing war in the Middle East and taxing billionaires could unite progressives and disaffected Trump voters.

02:57 - Hearing Epstein’s name for the first time
05:18 - Forcing the release of the Epstein files
10:07 - Holding this Epstein class accountable
11:05 - A new found confidence
11:59 - Hoping for a split in MAGA?
12:43 - “It’s a coalition that’s gonna win”
14:24 - Stopping the war in Iran
15:53 - Trump’s “looking for an off ramp to end the war”
17:21 - Increasing pressure on Trump over Iran
19:50 - Could Cuba be next?
21:21 - Khanna’s grandfather was an Indian MP
23:15 - Running for president in 2028?
24:58 - Taxing billionaires
30:08 - A progressive coalition
34:06 - “You can't help but be hopeful about the American story”

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Despite the intensity of the US-Israel bombing campaign, Iran’s regime, now under a new supreme leader, hasn’t given President Donald Trump the “unconditional surrender” he’s seeking.

Mishal Husain speaks with Vali Nasr, a professor at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies and a preeminent scholar on the Islamic Republic. His life has been shaped by the story of Iran over the last 50 years, starting when his family fled amid the 1979 revolution.

His life’s work has been to study the region and its relationship with the US. He’s also worked  as an adviser to the US State Department during the Obama administration.

Nasr explains why Tehran believes time is on its side in the war, and that a prolonged conflict may only strengthen Iranian nationalism.

02:34 - Why Iran is “prepared to suffer more”
06:28 - What drives the new ayatollah
10:03 - How Iranians view the US and Israel
12:07 - War will last “longer” than Trump hopes
14:00 - School strike, destruction of heritage sites
15:35 - Lessons from the Iran-Iraq war
19:03 - “This is the final battle”
20:17 - Impact of US sanctions
22:40 - Will Iran pursue a nuclear bomb?
26:02 - Iran’s experience of foreign intervention
28:27 - Can Reza Pahlavi, son of the Shah, succeed?
30:48 - Nasr’s experience fleeing Iran in 1979
35:15 - Mood among Iranian-Americans
39:32 - Iran’s “rightful place in the world”

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Within 24 hours of the US and Israeli strikes on Iran, a host of other countries were drawn into the latest conflict in the Middle East.

Iran retaliated by targeting sites in Israel and across the Gulf, including the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain, as well as Iraq, Oman and Jordan. Israel, meanwhile, has carried out air strikes on Lebanon and sent in ground troops as it seeks to dismantle Iranian ally Hezbollah.

For this conversation, Mishal Husain has turned to an expert on the broad sweep of Middle East politics. Bernard Haykel is a professor of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University. Born in Lebanon, he is known for weaving together knowledge of history, religion and social change across the region. His forthcoming book is about contemporary Saudi Arabia and its leader, Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, with whom he is in regular contact.

02:45 - “I was not surprised”
03:40 - The Iranian retaliation
09:00 - The three scenarios in this conflict
11:00 - “This regime will survive”
13:20 Protests after Khamenei's death
15:35 Did MBS encourage the strikes on Iran?
18:40 The Saudi Air Force will get “involved”
21:30 Trump and MBS
25:00 MBS “doesn’t want wars”
27:00 Saudi competition with UAE
29:18 MBS is “a bit like Elon Musk”
30:30 MBS is an authoritarian 33:00 The US has a “role to play” in the Middle East

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When President Donald Trump returned to the White House last year, one of his first acts was to sign an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organization. The administration's rupture with the WHO began in Trump’s first term, when relations deteriorated as the Covid-19 pandemic set in. 

In this conversation with Mishal Husain, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus reveals he remains in close contact with US Secretary of Health and Human Services  Robert F. Kennedy Jr. despite that break. He also talks about the lessons learned from Covid and why the WHO is still waiting for answers from China as it seeks to understand the origins of the virus.

Beyond the politics of global health, Ghebreyesus opens up about his own childhood trauma and why the death of his brother in 1970 makes the fight against preventable disease personal for him.

02:51 - Being a child of war
06:25 - Working in conflict zones
08:07 -  “War and disease are old friends”
09:34 -  “Don’t forget the invisible enemy”
11:35 - How far away is the next pandemic?
12:48  -  US withdrawal from the WHO
14:50 - Covid and China
16:50 -  Personal attacks from the US
18:16  - The US flag has been returned
18.51 Argentina is leaving the WHO
21:22 - Was Covid a lab leak?
22:49 - Waiting for answers from China
26:46 - Vaccine skeptics
27:26 - Texting RFK Jr.
28:56 - “My brother died”
31:06 - “He could have survived”
33:46 - “Defunding mRNA research is the wrong decision”
34:20 - Will MAHA work?
37:27 - A message for President Trump
39:26 - “Viruses get advantage when we are divided”

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“KPop Demon Hunters” is the brainchild of Korean-Canadian animator Maggie Kang. It’s Netflix’s biggest-ever film and follows Rumi, Mira and Zoey, members of the girl band Huntrix, as they battle to save the world from dark forces. 

As you’ll hear, Kang grew up loving Korean pop music long before it was globally cool and forged a Hollywood career on films including “The Lego Ninjago Movie” and “Kung Fu Panda 3.” In this conversation with Mishal Husain, Kang explains how she had always hoped a story about Korea would one day come her way. But it never did, so she came up with her own.

Kang is in the middle of a life-changing moment. Her movie has already scored wins at the Golden Globes and the Grammys, and now all eyes are on the Oscars. The extraordinary thing is that no one expected “KPop Demon Hunters” to be such a smash hit. Husain asks Kang what it’s been like adjusting to all the attention, and of course whether there’s a sequel in the works.

03:06 - “A global phenomenon”
04:17 - The screaming fans
05:01 - The movie theater screenings
06:49 - Pitching “KPop Demon Hunters”
09:27 - Living between two cultures
12:04 - Growing up as an “outsider”
16:34 - Kang’s first animation book
17:16 - “I liked to draw”
18:21 - Recording the voiceover, over and over
20:11 - The story of “Golden”
21:39 - Rumi, Mira and Zoey in “Golden”
23:00 - Waiting for “the tingles”
25:25 - “We kinda worried it was a little cheesy”
27:27 - Helping the world find Korean culture
29:30 - Choosing the title for a “kooky” movie
34:20 - A message from Kang to the fans
34:48 - “There’s a sequel, surely?”
35:14 - Live action “KPop Demon Hunters”?
37:01 - “I’m still very grounded”
37:22 - Diving back into the sequel?
38:00 - “Wow! You are going to the Oscars!”

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The Feb. 19 arrest of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, the brother of King Charles, puts the British Royal Family into uncharted territory. The former Prince Andrew was detained on suspicion of misconduct in public office after further details emerged of his relationship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

For this bonus episode, Mishal Husain speaks to Allegra Stratton, a contributing editor to Bloomberg who previously worked for Prime Minister Boris Johnson. 

She’s also joined by Harry Wilson, a reporter on Bloomberg UK’s finance team who’s been involved in reporting on Epstein’s emails and has previously broken stories about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.

They discuss Andrew’s business links and the significance of today’s events for the monarchy and the UK. 

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This winter has been exceptionally brutal in Ukraine. Already the coldest in more than a decade, it’s been made worse by Russian attacks on energy infrastructure that have left millions with no heating and intermittent power.

As Russia’s war approaches its fourth anniversary, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy is under intense pressure from Donald Trump to hold elections and accept a peace deal within months. But inside Ukraine and among its allies, there remains deep skepticism that Vladimir Putin is truly interested in a durable peace.

Celebrated writer Andrey Kurkov has lived the  reality of the wartime winter in his home city of Kyiv. Best known for his 1996 novel “Death and the Penguin,” set in post-Soviet Ukraine, Kurkov also has written extensively about the current war, publishing three volumes of diaries alongside his fiction. While he’s been determined to remain in Ukraine throughout the conflict, he says the present conditions have been too much to bear. In this conversation with Mishal Husain, he talks about his hopes for peace and how he  plans to return to Kyiv in the spring.

02:54 Situation in Kyiv: “Winter allied with Russia”
04:53 Four years since full-scale invasion
07:12 Ukraine is “fragmented”
09:12 “Writing nonfiction is a duty”
12:03 “Nobody’s winning”
14:20 Kurkov’s relationship with Russia
17:47 How the war changed Kurkov and his country
20:19 Kurkov’s message to the Munich Security Conference
21:53 Capitulation “camouflaged” as a peace deal
24:15 Support for Zelenskiy in Ukraine
26:15 Corruption scandals: “I’m very angry”
2:49 “I hope the war will be over this year”
31:43 Observing the war as a diarist
33:14 Humor as a “psychological defense”
35:17 “We are part of Europe”

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In 2007 when he was UK Foreign Secretary, David Miliband delivered an address to the Labour Party conference. He described a world with “fewer countries at war” and “more democracies than ever before.”

Two decades later, with that vision further from view, Miliband is head of the New York-based International Rescue Committee, one of the world’s largest aid agencies. Its “Emergency Watchlist” cites 20 urgent crises, from Haiti to Sudan and the Middle East to Myanmar. The group finds itself increasingly constrained by widening conflict and shrinking government aid.

The IRC role, however, gave Miliband new purpose after his bid to lead Labour ended in dramatic and personal fashion when in 2010 he lost to his own brother. Now he sees his old friends and rivals back in power, forced to make decisions he finds painful.

In this conversation with Mishal Husain, Miliband discusses the current state of politics in the UK, including Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s leadership. He talks about Donald Trump’s “Board of Peace” and his old boss, former Prime Minister Tony Blair. They also discuss Miliband’s family heritage.

02:30 - His refugee parents and link to work at IRC
08:09 - Growing up, democracy “seemed like the norm”
08:59 - 2007 speech at Labour Party Conference
10:54 - Mark Carney’s 2026 speech at Davos
12:49 - “America will no longer be Atlas”
13:49 - “More autocracies than democracies in the world today”
14:26 - “A revolution in America’s role in the world”
15:42 - IRC work on the US-Mexico border
17:55 - IRC’s 2026 Emergency Watchlist: Sudan and the Occupied Palestinian Territory
18:36 - “Remediation of desperate suffering is our business”
19:06 - “If you talk to the people you have hope.”
23:31 - Jared Kushner’s plans for Gaza
26:21 - Tony Blair and the Board of Peace
32:12 - Cuts to foreign aid
34:55 - “Challenging period” for UK Labour, Starmer
36:06 - Threats from Reform and Andy Burnham
39:07 - What next for Miliband?
40:28 - Relationship with Hilary Clinton

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The killing of two US citizens by federal agents in Minneapolis has made January a dark month for many across America. Both Alex Pretti and Renee Good were quickly labeled “domestic terrorists" by the Trump administration, which accused them of endangering the lives of law enforcement. Video evidence soon appeared to contradict government claims, but it’s still a label that filmmaker Laura Poitras says she finds chilling.

Poitras has been producing and directing documentaries for more than 20 years, winning both an Oscar and a Pulitzer Prize for her 2014 work “Citizenfour,” which focussed on the whistleblower Edward Snowden and mass surveillance. She too has her own experience of being regarded as a threat by the US government and says she was on a terrorist watch list for years.

Her latest film, which this week was nominated for a BAFTA, profiles renowned US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh. “Cover-Up,” on Netflix, traces Hersh’s life from his early days in Chicago through his scoops of the 1960s to his current journalism on Substack.

It’s a story of media both past and present. In this conversation with Mishal Husain, Poitras also reflects on the role of citizen journalism in documenting government violence in places like Minneapolis.

02:53 - “Legendary investigative journalist” Seymour Hersh
05:35 - Poitras and Hersh’s Iraq connection
06:40 - US public “failed by our legacy media”
09:06 - Cycles of impunity
09:50 - Criticism of Hersh’s journalism
11:30 - Hersh quits the film
15:00 - Hersh’s early life
16:19 - Poitras’ lens on America
17:40 - Parallels between Iraq and Venezuela
19:30 - “Regime change” in Venezuela
20:20 - Poitras under surveillance
23:00 - Leaving the US
24:40 - Edward Snowden and NSA secrets
28:15 - “I’m very happy he’s not in a US prison”
32:00 - “Cover-Up” and the present day
33:33 - “Whistleblowers face the consequences”
35:00 - “Citizen journalists”
37:00 - Mishal speaks to Poitras for a second time
38:00 - Alex Pretti and the violence in Minneapolis
39:30 - “Domestic terrorist”
40:17 - “Journalists have an obligation”
40:50 - A tipping point for ICE? 

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Rutger Bregman knows what appearing at Davos can do for your profile. His reputation was made when he went there in 2019 and attacked the rich. The clip went viral. 

A historian and author originally from the Netherlands, Bregman has been focused on elites ever since, most recently in his book Moral Ambition, and in a series of lectures on the BBC, after which he accused the organization of censoring his views on Donald Trump.

In this conversation with Mishal Husain, we hear more about his worldview, which is more nuanced than some might expect. He discusses how he is impressed by entrepreneurs, favors action over commentary and is putting his book profits toward building a community that furthers his beliefs.

00:00 - Introducing Rutger Bregman
02:30 - The rise of AI
07:53 - Wasted talent
09:22 - I want to pull my hair out
10:05 -  European leadership
11:14 - Europe is weak
12:25 - Ideals are worth little without power
13:45 - Building a movement
17:40 - Mamdani and populism
21:00 - The God shaped hole
25:12 - Elon Musk the entrepreneur
26:08 - The BBC and Trump
30:49 - A new form of feudalism
33:56 - Small groups can change the world
35:14 - The best place to think

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What is Donald Trump’s plan for Venezuela? Does he have one? Will he go beyond threats in supporting the uprising in Iran or invading Greenland?

Jeanne Shaheen has been in the US Senate since 2009 and is now the most senior Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee. Her position has given her access to information most lawmakers don’t have. She’s also known as someone prepared to work with Republicans. Indeed, she was one of the eight Democrats who joined the GOP to end last year’s government shutdown over healthcare subsidies that have since been allowed to expire.

In this conversation with Mishal Husain, Shaheen talks about how she’s hoping to reassure traditional American allies shaken by Trump’s attacks and threats as part of a Congressional delegation to Denmark this week. Closer to home, she discusses healthcare, the cost of living and the future of the Democratic party ahead of the midterms.

02:38 - US operation in Venezuela
04:47 - Military action on Greenland?
06:00 - Has Trump already damaged NATO?
07:11 - Is Trump emboldened?
08:13 - Maduro replaced by another “repressive dictator”
12:20 - Trump and Iran
13:31 - Tariffs and China
15:21 - Bipartisanship in a polarized era
18:17 - “I share that frustration”
20:20 - The future of the Democratic party
24:00 - Disquiet amongst Republicans
24:55 - Healthcare and the shutdown
27:25 - Policy differences with her daughter
30:35 - Life after the Senate
31:55 - Optimism for the future?

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US President Donald Trump’s tough talk about China and tariffs can be traced back in large part to economist Peter Navarro. A well-known China hawk, he has written books arguing Beijing poses a threat to the US economy and its national security.

Navarro is a loyalist who has served as a key trade adviser in both Trump administrations. In between, he spent four months behind bars for refusing to comply with a Congressional subpoena tied to the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the US Capitol.

It is Navarro who stands behind Trump’s sweeping tariffs against China and other nations, levies that have in some cases raised prices for US companies and consumers.

In this conversation with Mishal Husain, recorded in Bloomberg's Washington studio, Navarro discusses the US relationship with China and an upcoming Supreme Court ruling on the administration’s use of emergency powers to levy tariffs. They also look ahead to this year’s midterm elections and back at the controversial Vanity Fair profile of Trump Chief of Staff Susie Wiles. 

00:00 - Introduction from Mishal Husain
02:16 - Navarro’s bond with President Trump
05:04 - Navarro’s journey from Democrat to MAGA Republican
08:01 - Time in Federal prison
09:36 - US-China relationship
12:21 - Navarro’s advice for Europe
13:22 - Trump diplomacy
15:35 - Allowing Nvidia to export advanced chips to China
17:49 - Delivering for working class Americans
20:08 - Rubio-Vance 2028
21:57 - Addressing affordability concerns
23:38 - Manufacturing jobs: “We can’t wave a magic wand”
26:45 - Supreme Court ruling
30:17 - Cost of tariff refunds
31:15 - “It's not a job, it's a mission”

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Kara Swisher has followed the story of Silicon Valley for three decades, having started work as a tech journalist at a time when few people were interested in the beat.

But through relationships she built with the likes of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and many others, she became a formidable voice, and eventually more of a commentator and critic.

Swisher now hosts the podcasts Pivot and On with Kara Swisher. Following a year in which Silicon Valley titans lined up behind Donald Trump, she tells Mishal Husain what she thinks 2026 will bring. Swisher unpacks fears of an artificial intelligence bubble, why she’s paying attention to robotics and what life after Trump may be like.

02:16 - You would be “stupid” to ignore the AI bubble
05:40 - The promise of AI
07:16 - Swisher’s first download
09:30 - “Serious wealth creates real problems”
14:20 - Steve Jobs was an “adult”
17:15 - “What Tesla did was astonishing”
20:30 - The influence of Peter Thiel
22:20 - Generational shift in tech
23:30 - “You couldn’t have started an Uber now”
26:15 - Swisher’s paying attention to robotics in 2026
29:30 - What Swisher learned from Silicon Valley
31:50 - Swisher’s move into podcasting
35:40 - Life after Trump and why she’s watching KPop Demon Hunters

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As the year draws to a close, we are bringing you one of Mishal Husain’s biggest conversations of the year, in full. In May 2025, Elon Musk joined Bloomberg's Qatar Economic Forum, in a rare media appearance.

He remains as consequential a global figure today, as he was then, even if he is no longer working with Donald Trump.

Within 10 days of this conversation, he had left DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency, and soon after that he was publicly trading insults with the president.

Musk talked about Tesla, his ambitions for SpaceX and Starlink and his political spending.

Note: This episode was recorded with a remote guest in front of a live audience, and as a result, the audio quality may vary. 

02:31 - Mishal Husain introduces Elon Musk
03:21 - A week in the life of Elon Musk
04:25 - The future of Tesla
9:19 - Attacks on Tesla showrooms
11:35 - The future of warfare
14:30 - “I’m in no rush to go public”
17:30 - OpenAI
20:45 - Regulating AI
24:00 - “I’m simply an advisor”
26:30 - Starlink
29:44 - “Your question’s absurd”
31:26 - DOGE
33:15 - US Agency for International Development
37:20 - Political spending

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Lynsey Addario’s life work means  taking great risks to tell other people’s stories. She is a Pulitzer Prize winning war photographer who has been abducted twice while documenting conflicts from Afghanistan to Ukraine and Sudan.

There aren’t many women in her field. In a new National Geographic documentary called “Love+War,” currently streaming on Disney+, she lets us into that world, one she’s made her profession for three decades. Addario shows how she adjusts from a work environment of grave danger and high-adrenaline to being a mother making the school run and spending time with her sons.

In this conversation, she tells Mishal Husain, why she believes her job is to “bear witness” and how she came to it. She remembers the first time she used a camera and shares how her childhood prepared her to walk into any situation and connect with anyone, from soldiers to refugees and civilians living through extreme times.

This interview contains descriptions of abduction, violence and sexual assault which some listeners/viewers may find distressing.

02:27 - Love+War
03:34 - The turning point
06:00 - Learning about the risks
07:00 “I don’t want to do this for a living”
09:19 - Being held in Fallujah
11:20 - On embed in Afghanistan
14:31 - Operation Rock Avalanche
15:43 - Dealing with the emotion
16:50 - The daughter of hairdressers in Connecticut
17:44 - Getting her first camera
19:30 - Planning a “shoot-list”
21:51 - Russian strike on Ukraine
17:30 - Being held hostage in Libya
31:02 - Survivor’s guilt
33:30 Life at home
36:30 - Social media and fake images
40:18 - Switching off

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Mustafa Suleyman co-founded AI lab DeepMind when he was just 26 years old. Four years later, it was acquired by Google for a reported $400 million. 

He is now head of Microsoft’s AI unit, where he just unveiled a new superintelligence team tasked with creating an AI that can outperform humans at all tasks.

In this conversation with Mishal Husain, Suleyman talks about the decisions society has to make about AI, the white-hot war over tech talent and the competition with other tech bros. 

00:00 - Introduction from Mishal Husain
02:20 - Suleyman’s daily use of AI
04:52 - Stoicism and the magic of AI
05:50 - Defining superintelligence
07:35 - The AI Wild West
09:20 - Humans misusing technology
11:43 - Promise of abundance, universal basic income
14:30 - Suleyman’s family and decision to drop out of Oxford
19:37 - "Decisions we make may have very lasting consequences”
21:04 - Exploring the ‘broligarchy’
22:28 - His view of Sam Altman and Open AI
24:11 - Conversations with Demis Hassabis about Gemini 3
26:15 - “I’m sort of a centrist these days”
28:09 - AI containment and the role of government
29:58 - Microsoft’s revised deal with OpenAI: “It is a shift for us”
31:42 -The talent war and ‘Zuck’s’ pay packages
34:12 - Circular deals in AI: “Watching it carefully”
36:22 - “I really want to nail medical superintelligence”
37:36 - Suleyman on using AI for emotional support
40:21 - The UK lacks the “hustle culture” of Silicon Valley
42:13 - AI news reporters: “We’re exploring everything”

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Salman Rushdie was nearly killed when he was stabbed 15 times on stage in upstate New York in 2022. His injuries were so severe that he lost an eye. It was an attack that came decades after he was first subjected to death threats over his novel, The Satanic Verses.

Once he had recovered, he found he was unable to write fiction. However, after publishing an account of what happened to him, the stories returned, with five brought together in his latest book, The Eleventh Hour.

In this conversation with Mishal Husain, Rushdie talks about free speech, the family connection they both share and the places he’s called home, from India to Britain and the US.

02:30 - “Don’t waste your time”
04:40 - Writing as a form of optimism
05:00 - Starting out as a writer
08:00 - Meeting E.M. Forster as a teenager
10:00 - “You write the story to find out what story you’re writing”
11:15 - Writing Midnight’s Children
12:46 - The family connection between Salman Rushdie and Mishal Husain
14:35 - The women in the family
16:00 - Getting together as a family
17:55 - Returning to India to write about childhood
20:30 - Reclaiming India
22:55 - India today and Prime Minister Modi
24:24 - “If you’re paying attention you see things coming”
24:50 - The family reacts to Midnight’s Children
26:44 - A farewell to India?
28:45 - Before and after the fatwa
31:30 - Defending free speech
32:25 - Banning books in the US
34:30 - Zohran Mamdani’s campaign
38:50 - The next novel
40:25 - “I’m a bit clumsier”

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Ken Burns has been telling stories about America for almost 50 years. The lauded documentary filmmaker has a new series on PBS, The American Revolution, which charts the period before and after 1776. It will air internationally ahead of the 250th anniversary of the US Declaration of Independence. 

Mishal Husain asked Burns to join the show to mark Thanksgiving, looking at today’s America through the lens of its past and the characters who made history.

02:15 -  The complexity of the American Revolution

04:00 - The underdog story 

07:15 - The global significance of the American Revolution

13:43 - Mishal Husain’s connection to Lexington Green 

16:15 - Why Ken Burns became a filmmaker

17:55 - “My mother’s gift in a funny way was dying”

19:20 - The Ken Burns Effect 

20:15 - Hollywood actors as first person narrators 

21:25 - Directing Josh Brolin as George Washington

22:00 - Why Tom Hanks didn’t want to be the voice of George Washington

23:00 - Filming reenactments

24:50 - The American Revolution is not over

29:10 Working for PBS, American Public Broadcasting

32:20 What is Ken Burns grateful for on Thanksgiving?

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Stanford University Professor Fei-Fei Li has been at the forefront of artificial intelligence research for 25 years, which is why she’s been called the “godmother of AI.”

In this conversation she tells Mishal Husain how she arrived in the US as a teenager after her parents decided to emigrate from China. She also talks about the high school teacher who inspired her and a deep love of physics, leading her to ask what she calls “audacious” questions.

These days, amid her excitement about AI and its potential, she also is focused on what humans must do to build safeguards, and has a message for parents, too. 

02:50 -  AI is a “civilizational technology”
04:15 - “Technology is a double-edged sword”
05:45 - Being a tech CEO and an academic
06:45 - Falling in love with physics
08:00 - What is intelligence?
08:40 - Finding my first North Star
09:45 - Fei-Fei Li’s two key breakthroughs
14:52 - Moving from China to the US at 15
15:48 - Running the family shop taught me resilience
17:30 - “I wasn’t curious about nightclubs”
18:20 - My inspirational teacher
22:20 - “China is a powerhouse in AI”
23:00 - Creating 3D worlds with AI
27:20 - AI and the jobs market
28:40 - Are humans going to be replaced?
31:00 - “The machine overlord”
32:45 - What should parents tell their children?
34:40 - The AI bubble
36:00 - Powering the big data centres AI needs
37:20 - “I’m not a tech utopian or a dystopian”
38:00 - “My one worry is our teachers”
39:20 - “I’m conscious of my responsibility”
41:28 - Fei-Fei Li believes in timeless human values
42:00 - “My favourite book these days is Harry Potter”

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For almost 40 years, Richard Moore was a career spy in Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service. Only his closest friends and family knew what he did for a living. When he was appointed chief of the agency in 2020, that changed: The name of the person in the top role is the only one made public.

In his first broadcast interview since leaving his post in September 2025, Moore talks to Mishal Husain about managing China, the psychology of Vladimir Putin and why spies shouldn’t expect recognition.

03:00 - “I certainly haven’t left the world in a better place than I found it”

05:02 - China as an “opportunity and a threat”

07:20 - UK’s China spy scandal

09:44 China should “get their embassy” in London

10:22 - Getting the “tap on the shoulder” at Oxford University

14:16 - Telling your children you’re a spy

16:28 - What is spycraft really like?

22:00 - Intelligence work post 9/11

28:15 - “Putin has no intention of doing a deal”

33:46 - Strikes on Venezuela

40:00 - Life on the outside

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How do you tell the history of a whole country through its women? And what can it tell us about the world today? These are the questions Russian-American journalist Julia Ioffe set out to answer in her new book,Motherland: A Feminist History of Modern Russia, from Revolution to Autocracy.

Having reported from, and on, Russia for publications including The New Yorker and Foreign Policy for more than a decade, Ioffe says she has repeatedly been asked to explain the actions and motivations of one man: Vladimir Putin. 

Motherland is, she says, partly a response to Putin, through her desire to show that Russia is much more than one person, let alone one man.

In this conversation Ioffe talks to Mishal about reclaiming Russia’s women, about Donald Trump’s hollowing out of American institutions and why Putinism will endure. (Note: This podcast contains a discussion of sexual violence that some listeners may find distressing.)

02:30 - “I was born in a country that no longer exists”
03:55 - The anti-feminist at Lenin’s side during the Revolution
06:55 - Reluctancy to write about Russian women
12:55 - What a “horrible boyfriend” Vladimir Putin was
16:50 - Return to Russia, oligarch hunters and ‘trad wives’
22:13 - Alexei Navalny, “the last shred of hope”
29:20 - Can Russia sustain the war in Ukraine? 
32:32 - Trump’s assault on US institutions, faster than Putin
34:30 - American authoritarianism, risk of “one party state”

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Three weeks after being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado finds herself supporting US intervention in her native country. Mishal speaks to Maria Corina on recent US boat strikes, Nicolas Maduro’s fate and the need for strength to secure peace.

03:24 - "I had to go into hiding"

03:51 - Impact of the Nobel Peace Prize 

05:38 - US Military build up

10:21 - Prospect of US ground strikes 

13:10 - Is Machado speaking to the Trump Administration? 

16:00 - Prospect of regime change

18:50 - Venezuela after Maduro

23:04 - Machado's economic vision

26:04 - What is the Venezuelan opposition planning next? 

28:23 - "We are ready to take our government"

34:22 - Why Machado thinks this time is different

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After successfully pushing for Brexit, political disruptor Nigel Farage announced his retirement. Last year, he returned to frontline politics as the leader of Reform UK, an insurgent party that’s never held national power but is now polling ahead of Labour and the Conservatives. Mishal speaks with Farage about dismantling consensus politics, Britain’s future relationship with the European Union and what he thinks Donald Trump is getting right.

4:02 - “We’ve not had enough change”
7:10 - Working in the City of London in the 1980s
11:46 Alignment with the European Union
13:33 “Everything in life’s about risk”
16:24 “Make Britain Great Again”
21:00 The Bank of England
25:19 “Putin is a very bad dude”
30:15 Immigration and ICE raids
35:12 Economic plans
46:14 Reading to prepare for government

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Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney talks to Mishal Husain about trade battles, Vladimir Putin's miscalculations and what he's learned from Donald Trump.

3:41 - Mark Carney's parents and his path to power
4:58 - What does he miss about his old life?
6:34 - Did President Trump help him get elected?
14:05 - "I've learned lots of things from President Trump"
16:42 - Ukraine and NATO
22:18 - Putin's miscalculations
22:49 - Next steps on a Palestinian state
25:00 - The climate crisis, where is the old Mark Carney?
35:10 - What does a prime minister's weekend look like? 

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Welcome to The Mishal Husain Show. In a world of confusion, let Mishal guide you through some of the most complex stories of our times, through questions, curiosity and decades of journalistic experience.

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