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Welcome to Oxford+, the podcast series that explores the myths and truths of the Oxford investing landscape hosted by Susannah de Jager. Since moving to Oxford, Susannah has collaborated with experts, entrepreneurs, and government to shape the conversation around domestic scale-up capital. Oxford+ aims to inform, inspire, and connect. We'll talk to Founders, investors, academics, politicians, and facilitators and explore how Oxford is open for business.

70 - Ethics & Innovation: What We Automate, Govern and Protect
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  • 70 - Ethics & Innovation: What We Automate, Govern and Protect

    What are we unwilling to automate away?

    In this wrap episode of Oxford+, host Susannah de Jager returns to the ten conversations that made up the Ethics and Innovation miniseries and draws out the thread running through all of them. Philosophers, technologists, lawyers, policymakers and social innovators discuss democracy, language and intelligence, care, healthcare, access to justice, and who benefits when innovation succeeds.

    The timing matters. Bill Gates has argued that AI will be either the greatest equaliser ever invented or the worst source of injustice, and that the choices made now will decide which, in a 6,000-word essay published in 2026. Public confidence remains thin: around 1 in 3 adults in Great Britain say they would not trust AI to carry out any task, according to the Office for National Statistics.

    This is a short guide to the debate for people who will not build AI systems but will live with the results, at work, in hospitals, in classrooms and in court.

    Susannah de Jager: Susannah is a seasoned professional with over 15 years of experience in UK asset management. She has worked closely with industry experts, entrepreneurs, and government officials to shape the conversation around domestic scale-up capital.

    Connect with Susannah on LinkedIn and Subscribe to the Oxford+ Newsletter for Exclusive Content

    In this episode of Ethics and Innovation by Oxford+ brought to you by Equinox.

    Produced and Edited by Story Ninety-Four in Oxford.

    Tue, 15 Sep 2026
  • 69 - Ethics & Innovation: Inside Microsoft's AI for Good Lab

    What happens when you point some of the world's strongest analytical tools at problems money alone has never fixed?

    In this episode of Ethics and Innovation by Oxford+ brought to you by Equinox, host Susannah de Jager speaks with Juan M Lavista Ferres, Corporate Vice President and Chief Data Scientist at Microsoft and director of its AI for Good Lab. Juan explains how a study of 20 million births changed what researchers knew about smoking and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, why a satellite image and a CT scan are the same problem to a machine learning team, and how roughly 100 incoming requests get filtered down to two or three funded projects.

    The timing is pointed. The World Economic Forum reported in August 2026 that the world faces a shortage of health workers by 2030, according to the World Economic Forum, which is the exact supply gap behind Juan's work on preventable blindness in premature babies. He is equally clear about the limits: no data, no access, no expert partner, no project. Every tool his team builds, he says, could also be used as a weapon.


    (00:00) - Welcome to Oxford+ (01:42) - From Development Banking to AI for Good (03:49) - What 20 Million Births Revealed about SIDS (05:23) - Why Every Project Needs a Domain Expert (06:21) - Satellite Images and CT Scans: The Same Problem (08:39) - The Funnel and the Tyranny of Choice (10:17) - Data Access, Privacy and Labelled Data (13:50) - Open Source, No Fees and Donated Expertise (16:40) - SPARROW and the Data Collection Problem (20:06) - Legal Help for Women and Girls in Malawi (23:18) - Preventable Blindness and the 36-Hour Window (26:30) - Responsible AI, Bias and Tools Used as Weapons

    Juan M Lavista Ferres: Juan M Lavista Ferres is Corporate Vice President and Chief Data Scientist at Microsoft and director of the AI for Good Lab, which he co-founded in 2018. He leads a team of data scientists and researchers in AI, machine learning and statistical modelling, working with domain experts on health, sustainability, humanitarian response and accessibility. Before Microsoft he spent five years at the Inter-American Development Bank, and after joining Microsoft in 2009 he worked on the Experimentation Platform and the Bing data mining team before moving into applied research. His SIDS work with academic collaborators was published in Pediatrics, and he is a co-author of the lab's AI for Good book. He is a co-author of the 2025 JAMA Network Open study on AI-enabled screening for retinopathy of prematurity in low-resource settings.

    Connect with Juan on LinkedIn

    Susannah de Jager: Susannah is a seasoned professional with over 15 years of experience in UK asset management. She has worked closely with industry experts, entrepreneurs, and government officials to shape the conversation around domestic scale-up capital.

    Connect with Susannah on LinkedIn and Subscribe to the Oxford+ Newsletter for Exclusive Content

    In this episode of Ethics and Innovation by Oxford+ brought to you by Equinox.

    Produced and Edited by Story Ninety-Four in Oxford.

    Tue, 08 Sep 2026
  • 68 - Ethics & Innovation: Oxfordshire's Divide Between Opportunity and Access

    How can one of the UK's most prosperous counties also hold some of its widest gaps in life expectancy and school results?

    In this episode of Ethics and Innovation by Oxford+ brought to you by Equinox, host Susannah de Jager speaks with Jeremy Long, co-chair of the Oxfordshire Inclusive Economy Partnership, about what an inclusive economy looks like in practice and why averages hide as much as they reveal. Jeremy sets out the OIEP's three working groups, early years, youth engagement and inclusive employers, and the charter that lets organisations pick the pledges they can act on now.

    He describes taking employers into HMP Bullingdon to see how ex-offenders can return to work, the early years summit that put school readiness back on the county agenda, and plans to revive work experience through the Opportunity For All event. The timing matters. Figures published on 27 August 2026 show 981,000 young people across the UK were not in education, employment or training between April and June, according to the Office for National Statistics. Jeremy explains how Oxfordshire can match unfilled roles with local talent, and how Equinox extends that work.


    (00:00) - Welcome to Oxford+ (01:53) - What the Oxfordshire Inclusive Economy Partnership Is (03:45) - The Averages That Mask Oxfordshire's Inequality (06:27) - Early Years, Youth and Inclusive Employers (08:34) - Inside the OIEP Charter and Its Pledges (10:24) - Ex-Offenders, Timpson and HMP Bullingdon (11:40) - Closing the Gap for 18 to 24-Year-Olds (12:38) - The Early Years Summit and What Came Next (15:56) - Cradle to Career and the School as Anchor (18:12) - Reviving Work Experience Across the County (21:32) - Equinox, the Local Policy Lab and Green Skills (27:07) - Aspirations for the Next Five Years

    Jeremy Long: Jeremy Long is co-chair of the Oxfordshire Inclusive Economy Partnership, a collaboration of more than 100 organisations across business, local government, the universities, education and the voluntary and community sectors. A chartered accountant by training, he spent fifteen years as chief executive of MTR Corporation's European business and chaired the Oxfordshire Local Enterprise Partnership from 2016 to 2023. He has chaired the board of trustees at River Learning Trust since October 2023, sits as a non-executive director of National Grid Electricity Transmission, and chairs the Oxford energy efficiency installer EnergyMyWay.

    Connect with Jeremy on LinkedIn.

    Susannah de Jager: Susannah is a seasoned professional with over 15 years of experience in UK asset management. She has worked closely with industry experts, entrepreneurs, and government officials to shape the conversation around domestic scale-up capital.

    Connect with Susannah on LinkedIn and Subscribe to the Oxford+ Newsletter for Exclusive Content

    Oxford+ is hosted by Susannah de Jager and supported by Equinox.

    Produced and Edited by Story Ninety-Four in Oxford.

    Tue, 01 Sep 2026
  • 67 - Ethics & Innovation: Serving, not Harming and Connection, not Convenience

    What should AI actually do for us, rather than simply what can it do?

    In this episode of Ethics and Innovation by Oxford+ brought to you by Equinox, host Susannah de Jager speaks with Dr Caroline Green, Director of Research at Oxford's Institute for Ethics in AI, about care as one of the defining ethical questions of the AI age. Caroline explains what care means inside a regulated social care system, why OpenAI and Anthropic have started borrowing the language of caregiving, and where she thinks that borrowing should worry us.

    The conversation moves between the very specific and the very broad: carebots collecting data while they chat to residents, the Oxford framework that helps providers question technology suppliers properly, a week in Dharamsala learning how Tibetan communities use AI to preserve their language, and the civic AI work she is developing with Ambassador Audrey Tang. New Stanford research published this month found that people with smaller social networks who turn to AI companions for emotional support report lower well-being, which makes Caroline's warning about caring-sounding systems timely. Two phrases anchor the episode: serving, not harming, and connection, not convenience.

    (00:00) - Welcome to Oxford+ (01:42) - What Care Actually Means (03:55) - Why Big Tech Has Adopted the Language of Care (05:53) - Job Displacement and the Doom Narrative (08:15) - Dharamsala, Monasteries and Tibetan Language AI (11:59) - What Makes Us Distinct as Humans (14:26) - The Oxford Framework for Responsible AI in Care (17:13) - Carebots and the Line between Task and Relationship (23:26) - Ageing Societies and the Rights of Older People (26:54) - Young People, Trust and Over-Reliance on AI (33:16) - Civic AI and the Ethics of Care (37:36) - Hope, Harm and the Civic Space

    Dr. Caroline Green: Dr Caroline Emmer De Albuquerque Green is Director of Research and Head of Public Engagement at the Institute for Ethics in AI, University of Oxford, where she leads the Accelerator Fellowship Programme. She is one of the UK's leading voices on the responsible use of AI in health and social care. Caroline co-led the Oxford Project on the Responsible Use of Generative AI in Social Care and wrote its April 2025 white paper setting out a value-led approach, work that led to the AI in Care Alliance whose vision and priorities were agreed at the second AI in Social Care Summit in March 2026. She also leads Truth and Trust: AI and Young People, a research collaboration with the BBC announced in February 2026. Caroline holds an LLB from the University of Edinburgh, an MSc in Human Rights from the LSE, an MA in Investigative Journalism from City University and a PhD in Gerontology from King's College London.

    Connect with Caroline on LinkedIn

    Susannah de Jager: Susannah is a seasoned professional with over 15 years of experience in UK asset management. She has worked closely with industry experts, entrepreneurs, and government officials to shape the conversation around domestic scale-up capital.

    Connect with Susannah on LinkedIn and Subscribe to the Oxford+ Newsletter for Exclusive Content

    Oxford+ is hosted by Susannah de Jager and supported by Equinox.

    Produced and Edited by Story Ninety-Four in Oxford.

    Tue, 25 Aug 2026
  • 66 - Ethics & Innovation: Can Trust Keep Up With AI?

    What do you do when the technology arrives faster than the plan you wrote for it?

    In this episode of Ethics and Innovation by Oxford+ brought to you by Equinox, host Susannah de Jager speaks with Professor Anne Trefethen, Professor of Scientific Computing at the University of Oxford and Trustee of the Alan Turing Institute, about leading a university through the arrival of generative AI. Oxford published its digital strategy in 2022, weeks before ChatGPT appeared, and Anne explains why it then took courage to stop, rethink planned investments and add the governance she had hoped to avoid.

    The conversation moves from student adoption and equal access to what national resilience now means: sovereign capability, models we can trust because we know what they were trained on, and enough trained people to use them well. It lands in the middle of a live policy push, with the UK government expanding free AI training to reach 10 million workers by 2030.

    Anne also makes the case for optimism, and for changing how we prepare graduates as entry-level work shifts. Useful listening for anyone setting AI strategy inside a large, complex organisation.


    (00:00) - Welcome to Oxford+ (01:31) - A Career in Scientific Computing (02:41) - Oxford's First CIO and the Road to Digital (04:21) - When ChatGPT Overturned the Strategy (06:39) - Rethinking Investment and Governance (09:12) - Pilots, Rollout and Equal Access (12:57) - Hinton, Altman and the Race to Superintelligence (19:41) - The Turing as National Convener (22:02) - What Resilience Means in the Age of AI (25:45) - Sovereign Models, Distillation and Trust (28:57) - Sovereign Data Sets and British Values (36:18) - Entry-Level Jobs and the Next Generation
    Anne Trefethen: Anne Trefethen FREng is Professor of Scientific Computing at the University of Oxford, a Fellow of St Cross College and a Trustee of the Alan Turing Institute, the UK's national institute for AI and data science, appointed to its board in November 2024. She joined Oxford in 2005 to establish the Oxford e-Research Centre, which she directed for over six years, became the University's first Chief Information Officer in 2012, and went on to serve as Pro-Vice-Chancellor with responsibility for gardens, libraries and museums, then people, then digital, leading Oxford's digital transformation programme. Before Oxford she spent almost 20 years in industry and academia, including research roles at Thinking Machines Corporation and the Cornell Theory Center, Vice President for research and development at the Numerical Algorithms Group, and leadership of the UK e-Science Core Programme. She was elected a Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering in 2017 and has served as a non-executive director of the UK Statistics Authority.

    Connect with Anne on LinkedIn

    Susannah de Jager: Susannah is a seasoned professional with over 15 years of experience in UK asset management. She has worked closely with industry experts, entrepreneurs, and government officials to shape the conversation around domestic scale-up capital.

    Connect with Susannah on LinkedIn and Subscribe to the Oxford+ Newsletter for Exclusive Content

    Oxford+ is hosted by Susannah de Jager and supported by Equinox.

    Produced and Edited by Story Ninety-Four in Oxford.

    Tue, 18 Aug 2026
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