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Sh*tty Pastor's Wives

Jenny Charli

This will not be "your mother's" polite pastor's wife discussion. Two long time church ministry leaders, going by the aliases Charli and Jenny, talk about everything from how much church can suck to how weird life is when you're expected to be a super human. Whether you are a current or former church leader or participant or are just curious about the underbelly of church leadership culture, you're welcome and safe here. This podcast is NOT for: kids, religious zealots, ultra sensitive church lovers, or people who just aren't willing to accept that church really sucks behind the curtain.

32 - Love, Explain, Prepare for Weirdness

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32 - Love, Explain, Prepare for Weirdness
What's right is logical. Controlling the conviction brings an unbalanced platform for decision.
Hell, Hitler, and Homosexuals?
Have some coffee, tea, or a glass of wine and be part of this with us- because we love you.

Sun, 02 Oct 2022 - 37min
31 - Faux-pression Part II
The continuation of episode 7.
Hugging you!
Sun, 02 Oct 2022 - 22min
30 - Faux-pression
Charli asks Jenny to dig into a topic that confuses the hell out of her.
THIS is a good one... no, a GREAT one.
Love you.
Sun, 02 Oct 2022 - 30min
29 - Do YOU, not everyone else...
Charli has brief sensory moments and Jenny brings drinks to a kids birthday party.
How do you lead someone through deconstruction? We talk about these attempts.
And revisit the topic of an old "friend". :)
ENJOY YOURSELF!
MUCH LOVE.
Sun, 02 Oct 2022 - 28min
28 - POWER
We talk about cutting out half the "competition".
We hope you love this listen!
We love you!!!
Sun, 02 Oct 2022 - 39min
27 - Gags and Gasps
Jenny and I tear apart two articles that make Jenny gag and gasp. Can't wait for you to listen!
Can't wait to hear from you!!
MUCH LOVE!!

Sun, 02 Oct 2022 - 39min
26 - Can't Justify Why
We talk about how they get emotional because they can't answer. We've all experienced one or two, I'm sure.
Enjoy!!
MUCH LOVE!!

Sun, 02 Oct 2022 - 34min
25 - SEASON 3 EP 1: Post-Post-Church Life
"The farther you get away from it I'm just like- so it's just like simple brainwashing."
Farther from 'that life' and farther into reality. We talk about the life that is further in the rearview now. Hitting the ground while re-assessing what we hang on to and what is therapeutic to hang on to or add to what we missed before. This is the first season I didn't have to edit out anything. Also, no bleeps this time!
We love you! Welcome back!
Fri, 01 Jul 2022 - 29min
24 - SEASON 3 EP 2: Don't Stop and I DON'T KNOW WHY!
Discussing post-church sexuality and shame. How we identify the "science" or ACTUAL logic behind the darkness of exploring sex inside our previous religious beliefs and now; the damper isn't just morality or belief. We go pretty hard in to what religion has left behind for us and where we picked it up- failures and wins. The resistance to commitment post-marriage and church, the resistance to being over-lorded, and the reason the blocks for presentness and owning your own body are gone.
We love you! Dig in!
See you there!
Fri, 01 Jul 2022 - 36min
23 - What Position Do You Want Me In?
"The things that we can’t know are the things that we knew and the things that we knew were the things that we couldn’t trust."
Also, Charli gets fired from the pulpit.
Wed, 09 Jun 2021 - 15min
22 - Positive not Scapegoat-ive
Sexual betrayal not to be confused with sexual positivity. I love this one. Short BUT sweet &packs a clarifying punch.
Sun, 06 Jun 2021 - 12min
21 - Did You Lie?
The manipulation of asking questions, how church leadership culture is like a f*ck boy, the missing science of loving on mothers, & mental breakdowns.
Oh, how we love you so super a trillion. xo
Sun, 06 Jun 2021 - 23min
20 - How Long is it Gonna Take?
We talk about divorce, talking shit, gaslighting yourself, PROUD NEWS, &being misunderstood.

SO MUCH LOVE TO YOU!!
Sat, 05 Jun 2021 - 20min
19 - Pickle-y Garden with Round Juicy Tomatoes
We're BACK! We talk about how even the most well-meaning couple doesn't actually want to live what they preach, the camouflaged shame kink inside of religion, and emotional &spiritual consent.
WE LOVE YOU!!!
Interact w/us on Twitter or email. xo

Sat, 05 Jun 2021 - 34min
18 - LET IT BE (SEASON 2! YAY!)
WELCOME TO SEASON 2!!!!
Why am I washing my face, bible verse porn, perspiration in the form of women, and tone policing the dehumanized.
WELCOME BACK WE LOVE YOU!!!!

MUSIC: https://uppbeat.io/t/prigida/cosy
Tue, 13 Apr 2021 - 39min
17 - She Might Be the Darkest Person You've Ever Met
We answer another question: How to be a true friend to a pastor's wife? I LOVE THIS ONE!!! ENJOY! LOVE YOU!
Tue, 13 Apr 2021 - 21min
16 - CONDITIONAL Friendship &Love
We answer this question posted by @OurJrneysMatter (who we love).
"How do you learn to have healthy friendships after spending so much time in church culture where all of your friendships are church based and not safe? As in, we are your family, but if you question us, disagree, move, have a major struggle, or fail, we will abandon you."
We also give our first shout out Twitter follow recommendation. @bobomonkeyrage (Because he's safe.)
WE LOVE ANSWERING QUESTIONS!! ENJOY!!
WE LOVE YOU!
Tue, 13 Apr 2021 - 27min
15 - The Quest of Questions Begins!
We answer our first listener questions and it’s a doozy. Me AND Jenny’s favorite so far!!!
Mon, 12 Apr 2021 - 29min
14 - Personhood &THE BIG BROWN SOCIAL MEDIA BIBLE
The suspicions confirmed.
Conversations meant to continue.
Do we even get our own personhood?

WE LOVE YOU!!!!!

Sun, 11 Apr 2021 - 20min
13 - What House Are You?
Are we using christianity, prayer, and the bible like a magical world of spells and rituals?- ISH? ENJOY- LOVE YOU!!
Sun, 11 Apr 2021 - 10min
12 - This One is For You (The Listener). Here's to YOU! 🥂
Behind the scenes of Jenny & Charli and us inviting you to be theoretically sitting next to us and how we "LITERALLY" want you to be talking to us. We want you as friends, family, and community by being a part of your healing because you are definitely a part of ours. You mean so much to us and we want to hear, see, and read your voice and your heart.
Email us: shtypw@gmail.com Twitter: @shwives or leave a voicemail through the Anchor app.
WE LOVE YOU!
Sat, 20 Mar 2021 - 38min
11 - No Angry Men?? 3/12/21
I show Jenny an article I found that put fire in my brain. Who's allowed to be angry at church??

(This episode was recorded before both of us heard the heartbreaking and devastating news from Atlanta.)

music: https://uppbeat.io/t/fugu-vibes/spatial
Fri, 19 Mar 2021 - 15min
10 - S3X and Joshua Harris’s Bowling Ball Sized Test*s
This episode is about sex and the virus of marriage books and purity culture. Prepare yourself for a LOT of inappropriate conversation. The end of this episode touches on Charli's history which may be triggering for some.
YAY EPISODE 10!!!
We love you enjoy!

music: https://uppbeat.io/t/richard-smithson/burst
Tue, 16 Mar 2021 - 30min
9 - 27 Minutes For Empathy Sins and No Stigma
At 27 minutes long this is our longest episode yet. Jenny talks about empathy and burning bridges and Charli gets caught in the twilight of unforeseen confrontation.

ENJOY!
music: https://uppbeat.io/t/color-parade/eclectic
Tue, 16 Mar 2021 - 27min
8 - The Old School Genders & Jesus Loves Therapy (Charli's favorite so far.)
Yes, we talk about the religious posture toward genders that we both waded through and how Jesus wants you to get your sh*t together.

We love you.

music: https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/forgotten
Sun, 14 Mar 2021 - 13min
7 - Language Arts
We talk about 'bad' words and whether or not we're just trying to not be like our parents.
Sun, 14 Mar 2021 - 07min
6 - Panic Room & Near Death By Tract
This episode possibly provides a tiny peek into why we have a "thing" against intimidation and religious idiocy. ENJOY! MUCH love.

music: https://uppbeat.io/t/prigida/cosy
Sun, 14 Mar 2021 - 10min
5 - TRIGGER WARNINGS & Abuse of Power
*TRIGGER WARNING* In this episode we talk about some potentially triggering themes. We talk about the inappropriate power of assumed trust in church leadership. People process uncomfortable situations, abuse, and feeling cornered in different ways. We are in a place where we can yell about it, swear about it, and laugh about it. If that is not where you're at feel free to skip this one. We understand that abuse is serious because we are both survivors of it, but if our unabashed tone won't be helpful for you please skip this episode. Don't bother commenting about us having an insensitive approach to things of this nature because both of us are on a journey to healing and this is just where we're at on it.
LOVE YOU.
I want to encourage you to take an unashamed tone with anyone who is making YOU feel like your boundaries are being crossed.

music:https://uppbeat.io/t/walz/name

Sun, 14 Mar 2021 - 06min
4 - Morpheus & Lil Jimmy (Jenny's Favorite so far.)
Jenny and Charli Discuss the sweat and demons of power trips at church. (This one is Jenny's favorite so far.)
Thu, 11 Mar 2021 - 11min
3 - PG Girl & Jean Skirts (Jenny Takes Me Back in Time)
Jenny tells me about her cutting edge youth group and how to never regret that I didn't go to bible school. Enjoy!

music: https://uppbeat.io/t/bath-house/means-a-lot

Thu, 11 Mar 2021 - 06min
2 - Ignoring your instincts on what grounds?
Going in with good intentions and getting trapped with no instincts. Jenny and Charli talk about psychopath leaders herding the cows. Enjoy!

music: https://uppbeat.io/t/prigida/cosy
Wed, 10 Mar 2021 - 06min
1 - Blue Blocks & No Boundaries
Can you have a life that's separate from church? ...But really, can you?

music: https://uppbeat.io/t/color-parade/eclectic
Wed, 10 Mar 2021 - 07min

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