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Top Traders Unplugged

Top Traders Unplugged

Niels Kaastrup-Larsen

Top Traders Unplugged is where the world’s best investors come to share how they think - not just what they trade. Hosted by Niels Kaastrup-Larsen, the show goes deep into systematic trend following, global macro, and the principles that drive long-term success. No forecasts. No fads. Just real conversations with hedge fund managers, economists, authors, and allocators - revealing the timeless ideas, mental models, and risk frameworks behind robust performance. If you're building resilient portfolios, allocating capital, or simply looking to cut through the noise - this is your edge. Clear thinking. Deep insights. Real experience. 🎧 New episodes weekly. Explore all episodes at toptradersunplugged.com https://toptradersunplugged.com

1615 - IL53: How Bonds Quietly Built the Modern World ft. Robin Wigglesworth
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  • 1615 - IL53: How Bonds Quietly Built the Modern World ft. Robin Wigglesworth

    Today we talk with the editor of the Financial Times’ Alphaville blog, Robin Wigglesworth. Robin is the author of A Fabulous Debt - the Epic Story of How Bonds Built the Modern World. He tells the story of the bond market’s beginnings in Venice and how the ability to issue and trade bonds was an essential aspect of its rise to power. Robin explains why historically bond markets and democracy have gone hand-in-hand. Innovations in how bonds are structured and traded also have the ability alter market fundamentals and he explains how this happened with the US junk bond market pioneered by Michael Milken. We talk about likely future innovations and finish with a discussion of current bond market turmoil and the implications for both the Fed and Treasury.

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    IT’s TRUE? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

    And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfoliohere.

    Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

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    Episode TimeStamps:

    00:00 - How junk bonds changed the market

    00:56 - Introducing Robin Wigglesworth and A Fabulous Debt

    03:39 - Why ignorance can actually help you understand history

    07:50 - How Venice accidentally invented the bond market

    12:55 - How bonds helped strengthen democracy and accountability

    17:31 - How Britain turned bonds into a global reserve asset

    24:43 - Why strong bond markets often create stronger countries

    28:56 - Could Europe ever create a true Eurobond market?

    32:19 - How the modern international bond market was born

    39:39 - Michael Milken and the rise of junk bonds

    44:21 - How Milken changed the market he was studying

    48:51 - Tokenization and the next evolution of fixed income

    49:28 - Why bond ETFs may have actually improved liquidity

    55:24 - What Treasury buybacks are really trying to achieve

    57:33 - Why Robin thinks the buybacks won’t solve the problem

    Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved

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    PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:

    1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

    In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt during the more than 3 decades I have worked in the Trend Following industry, which I hope you will find useful. Click Here

    2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score

    One of the things I’m really proud of, is the fact that I have managed to published the Trend Barometer and Market Score each day for more than a decade...as these tools are really good at describing the environment for trend following managers as well as giving insights into the general positioning of a trend following strategy! Click Here

    3. Other Resources that can help you

    And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here

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    Wed, 16 Sep 2026 - 1h 03min
  • 1614 - SI417: What Happens When AI Starts Trading the Markets ft. Rob Carver

    Niels Kaastrup-Larsen and Rob Carver discuss a market that feels unusually calm despite growing pressure beneath the surface. They look at rising concerns around government debt and bond yields, recent changes to a major managed futures ETF, and why style drift matters for systematic investors. Rob explains why simplicity and robustness remain essential when building trading systems, and where discretion can and cannot fit into a systematic process. They also explore the risks of using AI in quantitative investing, whether AI-driven traders could change market behavior, and why adapting trend speed to volatility may be more complicated than it first appears.

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    50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS -CLICK HERE

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    Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTubeor via the TTU website.

    IT’s TRUE? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

    And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfoliohere.

    Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

    Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.com

    And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.

    Follow Rob on Twitter.

    Episode TimeStamps:

    00:00 - Introduction and Rob’s return from the summer break

    02:03 - Why everyone is suddenly talking about bonds

    05:07 - Treasury buybacks and the potential for new bond trends

    07:40 - What happened to the Simplify managed futures ETF?

    14:34 - Style drift, investor expectations and changing strategies

    17:15 - Why it feels like something is about to happen in markets

    20:23 - Trend following performance and the year so far

    23:32 - How much should systematic investors actually optimize?

    31:38 - Can discretion and systematic trading really work together?

    36:37 - Where human judgment belongs in a trading strategy

    40:55 - Why traders may be better at buying than selling

    44:21 - AI, quant research and the risks of automated trading

    52:42 - Revisiting volatility and trend following

    55:47 - Why not all high-volatility markets are the same

    01:00:23 - The quant winter and why manager diversification matters

    Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved

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    PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:

    1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

    In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt during the more than 3 decades I have worked in the Trend Following industry, which I hope you will find useful. Click Here

    2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score

    One of the things I’m really proud of, is the fact that I have managed to published the Trend Barometer and Market Score each day for more than a decade...as these tools are really good at describing the environment for trend following managers as well as giving insights into the general positioning of a trend following strategy! Click Here

    3. Other Resources that can help you

    And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here

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    Sat, 12 Sep 2026 - 1h 08min
  • 1613 - GM107: What If AI Actually Pushes Interest Rates Higher? ft. Matt Klein

    Alan Dunne is joined by Matt Klein to discuss whether the excitement around AI is getting ahead of the economic reality. Matt explains why the parallels with the 1990s productivity boom may be misleading and why stronger productivity could actually push interest rates higher rather than lower. They explore the surge in AI investment, what rising bond yields really tell us about the economy, and whether US debt levels are as worrying as they appear. The conversation also turns to China’s enormous trade surplus, growing global imbalances, the prospect of European tariffs, currency intervention and what Kevin Warsh’s new Fed task forces could mean for monetary policy.

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    50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS -CLICK HERE

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    Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTubeor via the TTU website.

    IT’s TRUE? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

    And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfoliohere.

    Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

    Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.com

    And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.

    Follow Alan on LinkedIn.

    Follow Matt on X.

    Episode TimeStamps:

    00:00 - Introduction and Matt Klein’s return to Top Traders Unplugged

    01:57 - Kevin Warsh, Jackson Hole and the outlook for the Fed

    05:15 - Why the AI boom may not look like the 1990s

    11:39 - How quickly could AI actually boost productivity?

    15:47 - Are we seeing an AI productivity boom in the data?

    18:56 - Does AI change how we should think about the economy?

    21:41 - AI spending, data centers and the risk of a capex bust

    26:18 - Why bond yields could have further to rise

    31:13 - When higher interest rates might actually be good news

    33:17 - US debt sustainability and the risk of a bad equilibrium

    37:04 - China and the return of global economic imbalances

    42:11 - How China’s massive trade surplus is affecting the world

    48:50 - Tariffs, Europe and how countries might respond to China

    52:01 - Why the US intervened in the Japanese yen

    58:33 - Kevin Warsh’s Fed task forces and what could change next

    Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved

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    PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:

    1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

    In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt during the more than 3 decades I have worked in the Trend Following industry, which I hope you will find useful. Click Here

    2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score

    One of the things I’m really proud of, is the fact that I have managed to published the Trend Barometer and Market Score each day for more than a decade...as these tools are really good at describing the environment for trend following managers as well as giving insights into the general positioning of a trend following strategy! Click Here

    3. Other Resources that can help you

    And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here

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    Wed, 09 Sep 2026 - 1h 02min
  • 1612 - SI416: 137 Years of Trend: What the Evidence Really Shows ft. Yoav Git

    Niels Kaastrup-Larsen and Yoav Git examine why trend following continues to endure despite decades of changing markets and persistent skepticism. They revisit AQR’s 137-year study of trend following, exploring diversification, volatility scaling and the behavioral and economic forces behind persistent trends. The conversation also turns to the mechanics of commodity markets, using the 2020 oil collapse to show how inventories, storage capacity and forced futures rolls can produce extreme price moves. Along the way, they discuss investor trust, systematic risk intervention, CTA implementation and why understanding market structure matters just as much as building the signal.

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    50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS -CLICK HERE

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    Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTubeor via the TTU website.

    IT’s TRUE? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

    And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfoliohere.

    Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

    Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.com

    And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.

    Follow Yoav on LinkedIn.

    Episode TimeStamps:

    00:00 - Introduction and what’s on Yoav's radar

    01:54 - Why investor relationships are ultimately built on trust

    06:36 - CTA ETFs, strategy changes and investor transparency

    10:55 - Multi-strategy funds and the cost of complexity

    12:36 - TTU competition winners and the August trend update

    16:14 - Global rates, Japan and opportunities beyond U.S. bonds

    19:07 - August performance and the Trend Barometer

    21:09 - Correlation, volatility and how CTAs manage portfolio risk

    25:09 - Human intervention inside a systematic investment process

    29:40 - Where different commodity market participants operate

    31:44 - Revisiting 137 years of evidence for trend following

    38:30 - Has trend following performance actually deteriorated?

    43:58 - Why diversification is fundamental to trend following

    51:16 - Oil squeezes, storage and the mechanics of commodity markets

    58:00 - Carry, inventories and oil price elasticity

    01:04:36 - What really caused oil prices to turn negative in 2020

    01:09:40 - What commodity market structure teaches trend followers

    Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved

    ----

    PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:

    1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

    In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt during the more than 3 decades I have worked in the Trend Following industry, which I hope you will find useful. Click Here

    2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score

    One of the things I’m really proud of, is the fact that I have managed to published the Trend Barometer and Market Score each day for more than a decade...as these tools are really good at describing the environment for trend following managers as well as giving insights into the general positioning of a trend following strategy! Click Here

    3. Other Resources that can help you

    And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here

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    Sat, 05 Sep 2026 - 1h 14min
  • 1611 - GM106: What Happens When the Debt Finally Matters ft. Marvin Barth

    Marvin Barth joins Niels Kaastrup-Larsen and Cem Karsan for a wide-ranging debate about the Fed, inflation and the growing pressures on the US economy. Barth argues that central bankers have become too confident in models that cannot fully capture reality, while the conversation quickly turns to Kevin Warsh, Scott Bessent and the power of signaling in financial markets. From there, Cem and Marvin "clash" over austerity, debt monetization, populism and inequality before examining why inflation expectations may matter more than individual shocks. We round this super energetic conversation by exploring the coming historic El Niño, commodity disruptions and what Warsh’s recent dovish turn could reveal about the future of Fed policy.

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    50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS -CLICK HERE

    -----


    Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTubeor via the TTU website.

    IT’s TRUE? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

    And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfoliohere.

    Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

    Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.com

    And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.

    Follow Cem on Twitter.

    Follow Marvin on LinkedIn.

    Episode TimeStamps:

    00:00 - Why inflation expectations matter more than anything else

    01:05 - Introducing Marvin Barth

    04:46 - From salmon fishing to the Federal Reserve

    09:09 - Has central banking become too confident in its own models?

    16:25 - Bessent, Warsh and what Treasury buybacks really mean

    18:15 - Why signaling may matter more than the actual policy

    25:56 - Can the US actually solve its debt problem through austerity?

    31:25 - Debt, inflation, China and the pressures building in the system

    35:31 - Is there another way out for the US economy?

    40:29 - The big debate over populism and inequality

    47:39 - Free markets, fairness and who actually benefits

    57:59 - Why inflation ultimately comes down to expectations

    59:46 - Austerity versus monetizing the debt

    01:02:06 - How El Niño could reshape inflation and emerging markets

    01:11:26 - Has Kevin Warsh already changed course at the Fed?

    Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved

    ----

    PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:

    1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

    In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt during the more than 3 decades I have worked in the Trend Following industry, which I hope you will find useful. Click Here

    2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score

    One of the things I’m really proud of, is the fact that I have managed to published the Trend Barometer and Market Score each day for more than a decade...as these tools are really good at describing the environment for trend following managers as well as giving insights into the general positioning of a trend following strategy! Click Here

    3. Other Resources that can help you

    And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here

    Privacy Policy

    Disclaimer

    Wed, 02 Sep 2026 - 1h 24min
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